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  1. FSeverino's Avatar
    I agree. Everything I've read today points to poor planning. by US carriers Plain and simple.
    sorry, fixed your error
    01-30-13 07:07 PM
  2. lynxs_claw's Avatar
    Canada and the UK can get their phones out by next week.. but the U.S. of A. cannot.. not one US carrier... smells like some carriers are getting pressure from Google and Apple. Sorry if you all don't agree bu this smells fishy.. but nothing else right now makes any good sense to me. All these carriers have had these phones since last Oct and all (if not most) of the Canadian and UK carriers were able to do this. If I was an American and wanted BB10 (which I do and will be getting in Canada) I'd be rattling the chains of my carrier.

    Blackberry should really allow Americans to purchased unlocked phones and screw the carriers until they get their crap together.. at least it gives some American an option.

    I feel bad for my Crackberry American brethren.. really!
    01-30-13 07:11 PM
  3. oilgeo10's Avatar
    I agree. Everything I've read today points to poor planning. Plain and simple.
    Poor planning by who, RIM or the carriers?
    Something definitely is not quite right in this, how was Canada and the UK able to test and certify so quickly and the US couldn't? Does Apple have some kind of influence going on here or are the carriers in the US not in the 100's worldwide?? Or are they holding out because of the extra fees that RIM gets? Whatever the reason, these US carriers are going to be the one's kicking themselves for the lost sales.
    01-30-13 07:26 PM
  4. RHDJEEZY's Avatar
    allow users to purchase unlocked BB10 devices.
    Problem fixed, and Carries pay the price.
    01-30-13 07:36 PM
  5. SixStringMadness's Avatar
    allow users to purchase unlocked BB10 devices.
    Problem fixed, and Carries pay the price.

    Not even close. Buyers paying full price doesn't sound like winning for the customer

    Say a $800 MSRP phone is going to the carrier for $400, the biggest buyers usually get 50% of MSRP, sell to you for $199 plus two/three year contract. They lock you into, secure the revenue, and make up any potential loss with a $350 early contract fee if you bail.

    Carriers aren't making a load until you've finished your contract. Like ADT and their $99 install home security with 3 year lease.

    If a carrier ins't essentially financing your phone for you, they're making more money.

    This is very much over simplified, but the carriers aren't making their money on phones, they're making it on their plans
    01-30-13 07:48 PM
  6. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Bottom line ...it should NOT be a March release date for the US market. Thats freakin ridiculous. Thats right I said it ....so what. I'm really pissed. I've been waiting a year for this damn phone.
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    01-30-13 07:51 PM
  7. cjcampbell's Avatar
    That the phones would be ready for sale 30 days after the launch. Look it up. I have posted the quote several times today.

    Tim

    Sent from my BldackBerry 9850
    They are available.... Ask your carriers why they aren't ready to bring them on.
    01-30-13 07:53 PM
  8. pooger's Avatar
    Whether it's poor planning by RIMM or the carriers, RIMM will take the blame for it because they have the bad reputation of poor execution and they will be affected the hardest. I'm guessing Verizon Wireless doesn't give a crap if the phone is released in Feb or Mar as long as they are ahead of AT&T. They're still going to sell the same # of phones overall between all their manufacturers.
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    01-30-13 07:54 PM
  9. SixStringMadness's Avatar
    Bottom line ...it should NOT be a March release date for the US market. Thats freakin ridiculous. Thats right I said it ....so what. I'm really pissed. I've been waiting a year for this damn phone.

    yeah, its disappointing to wait while we know the rest of the world is buying them up.
    Spencerdl likes this.
    01-30-13 07:55 PM
  10. BB_Bmore's Avatar
    Watch Verizon pop up with black and white Z-10 mid Feb..Or AT&T.

    It won't be Sprint or T-Mobile first, that's for sure.

    Sent from my BlackBerry by Choice using Tapatalk
    01-30-13 08:10 PM
  11. W Hoa's Avatar
    What caught my attention was this quote. It seems Heins did a quick back track after letting out too much information.

    The value add for BlackBerry could be how they deploy services on the NOC.

    I want to build services that are unique to our secure network, devices, whatever. That's the plan.
    01-30-13 08:15 PM
  12. Jtaylor1986's Avatar
    I would bet my bottom dollar the 4 american carriers were part of the initial 50 carriers in October. You are telling me it takes these companies the better part of 6 months to test a friggin phone to release?
    playboldbook and lynxs_claw like this.
    01-30-13 08:16 PM
  13. ccbs's Avatar
    Don't worry though, the rest of the world are buying the OMAP4470 version which was considered cutting edge about a year and a half ago. The US version will be the 8960 Snapdragon S4 version which is the same chip used in Galaxy S3 and HTC One X.
    BergerKing likes this.
    01-30-13 08:17 PM
  14. Foreverup's Avatar
    Watch Verizon pop up with black and white Z-10 mid Feb..Or AT&T.

    It won't be Sprint or T-Mobile first, that's for sure.

    Sent from my BlackBerry by Choice using Tapatalk
    Won't be AT&T either they have the slowest testing process of any carrier. They will be lucky to get it out in April
    01-30-13 08:19 PM
  15. SixStringMadness's Avatar
    Watch Verizon pop up with black and white Z-10 mid Feb..Or AT&T.

    It won't be Sprint or T-Mobile first, that's for sure.

    Sent from my BlackBerry by Choice using Tapatalk

    Thor said they are still trying to bring that date in closer... so, you never know....
    01-30-13 08:20 PM
  16. kill_9's Avatar
    my question would be, didnt you have a BB10 for several months, why not release to carriers before launch for testing, we have known for 6 months or better that you were gonna have this mediocre presser, have them test before announcing?

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk
    The Great Ketchup Bottle stated early last autumn that the BlackBerry 10 smartphone(s) had been released to the wireless carriers. Why the delay for the US wireless carriers unless they were planning to abandon BlackBerry all together but changed their minds (in collusion perhaps?) much later in the year?
    01-30-13 08:20 PM
  17. BB.David's Avatar
    Not having Verizon onboard on Day 1 of release it's a big deal, in my opinion. Yes I'm still getting a Z10 but so much potential of lost sales in February.

    Verizon active subscribers = 98 million
    UK population = 62 million
    Canada population = 35 million
    playboldbook likes this.
    01-30-13 08:27 PM
  18. RECOOL's Avatar
    lol yanks with 5 % marketshare and media bashing thought they would get the phone before the places where blackberry were popular and would sell more get a grip.They want good numbers not dead stock/unbought phones wasted on a place where blackberry is looked down on.
    Bilaal likes this.
    01-30-13 08:34 PM
  19. SixStringMadness's Avatar
    Not having Verizon onboard on Day 1 of release it's a big deal, in my opinion. Yes I'm still getting a Z10 but so much potential of lost sales in February.

    Verizon active subscribers = 98 million
    UK population = 62 million
    Canada population = 35 million

    I remember when the HTC Thunderbolt came out, VZW first LTE phone, it had problems negotiating between LTE and 3G when moving between the different coverage zones. Post release they found this out.

    They eventually got it worked out, but these mixed networks that the carriers have from buying up little regional companies and the like, makes their networks much more complex, and I'm sure adds additional load to the testing procedures.

    Looking at the way the complaints are flowing in, it behooves the carriers to get it right, and work out the bug the first go around, or they'll likely be countrified (or BlackBerry would)
    millerliteboy likes this.
    01-30-13 08:40 PM
  20. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    Is RIM new in the smartphone world?
    Is this the first phone they have put forward for carrier testing?

    No, they new how long it should take.

    If they misjudged how long it would take than who's fault is it?

    Can you say bad execution, again.

    Tim

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9850

    I hear what you're saying, but honestly ... what would you have them do?

    If Rogers/Bell/Telus/Vodafone/CarphoneWarehouse etc can turn around testing in half the time as Verizon, AT&T and Sprint, would you have RIM tell the former carriers not to launch so that they could wait for the second?

    Or would you have RIM rush to complete the software early, but then have Rogers/Bell/Telus/Vodafone/CarphoneWarehouse launch before Christmas and Verizon, AT&T and Sprint launch after Christmas?

    Many manufacturers launch phones at different points in time on different carriers and it's very, very, very difficult to launch simultaniously on all carriers.

    If you have mastery of operations to enable this, then send Thorsten your resume.
    01-30-13 08:46 PM
  21. alan510's Avatar
    Whether it's poor planning by RIMM or the carriers, RIMM will take the blame for it because they have the bad reputation of poor execution and they will be affected the hardest. I'm guessing Verizon Wireless doesn't give a crap if the phone is released in Feb or Mar as long as they are ahead of AT&T. They're still going to sell the same # of phones overall between all their manufacturers.
    BlackBerry devices will be on sale in the UK, Canada, UAE and who knows where else before the US. So how can a delay by US carriers be blamed on BlackBerry when all these carriers got the phones at about the same time?
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    01-30-13 08:53 PM
  22. randall2580's Avatar
    BlackBerry devices will be on sale in the UK, Canada, UAE and who knows where else before the US. So how can a delay by US carriers be blamed on BlackBerry when all these carriers got the phones at about the same time?
    When I read the interview, I see at least that Mr Heins understands the USA takes more time to get certified though some of you seem to have trouble understanding why, he said he gets it and knew all about it. As others have said this isn't RIM's first smartphone and they knew especially because they were bringing new LTE radios to the mix it would take longer (that sentiment is clearly expressed in the interview).

    Looking back it's easy to understand what happened here. RIM knew they missed the USA cut off for this early Feb release and an analyst got word of it and released what he had heard. If you remember the market was very critical of RIM for this. They then had two choices. Wait for the USA and get slammed by the market, or release in this staggered way, which the market seems to take a lot better. The carriers don't change their rules. The S3 had a similar staggered release with the Exynos phones first and then the Snapdragons for USA LTE. However Sammy learned their lesson and the GN2 was released on the same date all over the world. RIM should learn the same lesson. This is only the carriers as they have specific rules that they follow and when RIM missed the date - they missed the unified launch.
    01-30-13 09:16 PM
  23. np1986's Avatar
    Can't folks in the US buy an unlocked Blackberry Z10 if they really want one?
    BergerKing likes this.
    01-30-13 09:19 PM
  24. FlashFlare11's Avatar
    Watch Verizon pop up with black and white Z-10 mid Feb..Or AT&T.

    It won't be Sprint or T-Mobile first, that's for sure.

    Sent from my BlackBerry by Choice using Tapatalk
    That's what I think also. I think that when Heins said late-March, he meant that the U.S. rollout would be complete by then, not necessarily beginning then as well. In the past, we've seen a large range of release dates across the U.S. carriers for the same or similar devices. The last U.S. carrier to release the Z10 would do so by late-March, but that doesn't mean that VZW or AT&T can't release in early-mid February. If anything, one carrier releasing early would pull the rest of them in also. The late-March window is only an estimation, not an exact or concrete timeframe.
    01-30-13 09:25 PM
  25. BergerKing's Avatar
    Won't be AT&T either they have the slowest testing process of any carrier. They will be lucky to get it out in April
    They haven't exactly had a great track record, have they?
    millerliteboy likes this.
    01-30-13 09:28 PM
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