1. lachando's Avatar
    What do you guys think of this? http://seekingalpha.com/article/1641...s?source=yahoo

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    08-16-13 07:52 PM
  2. howarmat's Avatar
    They used statcounter data. Credibility went out the window if they believe that is accurate.
    08-16-13 07:54 PM
  3. lachando's Avatar
    I am not familiar with this data source...

    Posted via CB10
    08-16-13 07:56 PM
  4. amazinglygraceless's Avatar
    I am going to buy a few thousands calls on BlackBerry in the high teens and low $20s with expiry towards the end of the year and into next year. More than likely I will be throwing good money after bad, but my instincts are occasionally right and I would rather hold the calls and be wrong than eschew them and find the stock at $30 in a takeover bid.
    If this id!ot is basing his investment strategies on information provided by StatCounter he deserves to lose every dime he has.
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    08-16-13 11:45 PM
  5. STV0726's Avatar
    If this id!ot is basing his investment strategies on information provided by StatCounter he deserves to lose every dime he has.
    Yep...

    I can't wait for some good news that doesn't come from or link to StatCounter.

    ~STV on Z10STL100-3/10.1.0.2025 TMO US
    08-16-13 11:47 PM
  6. Dapper37's Avatar
    The time frames bring spread out as they are here, add to the value of the data! But all haters can carry on!

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    08-16-13 11:56 PM
  7. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Statcounter? Again? Gotta love Seeking Alpha.

    LOL.
    08-17-13 01:57 AM
  8. BBThemes's Avatar
    ok, so theres two things which make me seriously doubt the reliability of this author.

    1)
    They show Samsung continuing to gain steadily and Apple (which held or even increased share from January through May) starting to see its share slip in June and July.
    im sorry what? held or even increased? im sure if your looking at a chart your gonna be able to say one or the other, the lack of certainty is disconcerting.

    2) heres a thought, we know BB10 doesn't use BIS, so therefore we know that BB10 doesn't compress data either at all or most definitely not to the levels of BBOS devices. this on its own would account for a rise in data volumes. then add a full web browser experience, and id imagine any previous data points you`ve seen from BBOS are very suddenly rendered pointless due the factors mentioned.

    2 is only a theory, but practiacally it is true BB10 uses more data, so its a very sound theory.
    08-17-13 06:36 AM
  9. lachando's Avatar
    I like your point 2). It makes good sense. I kinda forgot about data compression. It is a little hard to stay positive these days with BBRY and I thought it was worth analyzing something that looked like a possible "better" news...




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    08-17-13 07:25 AM
  10. trsbbs's Avatar
    ok, so theres two things which make me seriously doubt the reliability of this author.

    1)

    im sorry what? held or even increased? im sure if your looking at a chart your gonna be able to say one or the other, the lack of certainty is disconcerting.

    2) heres a thought, we know BB10 doesn't use BIS, so therefore we know that BB10 doesn't compress data either at all or most definitely not to the levels of BBOS devices. this on its own would account for a rise in data volumes. then add a full web browser experience, and id imagine any previous data points you`ve seen from BBOS are very suddenly rendered pointless due the factors mentioned.

    2 is only a theory, but practiacally it is true BB10 uses more data, so its a very sound theory.
    Agreed.

    Also add in that video streaming services can detect your phones video resolution and increase it. Resulting in added data usage.
    You also have more native items "checking things" like email, Twitter, Facebook, What's up, Contacts etc..

    R

    Verizon Z10. Running 10.1.0.4651. Posted via CB10
    08-17-13 09:01 AM
  11. lnichols's Avatar
    So they went from selling very few of their two year old BBOS devices to moving some Z10 and Q10 devices, and probably most of those users are here. It was pent up demand from people who wanted BlackBerry. Will they be able to sustain growth or even stay at 4% when vendors are basically not ordering any more Z devices?

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    08-17-13 09:22 AM
  12. ankush77's Avatar
    I can see the silver lining after dark clouds,but from the BB news of sale ,will have to wait and see, is this true or Mirage .
    CANT BELIEVE EASILY THAT GOOD THINGS CAN COME TO BB
    08-17-13 03:58 PM
  13. fedakd's Avatar
    Internet on BBOS devices is an awful experience. With BB10, it's seamless. The trend would suggest there is an increase in internet usage leading credence to the idea that there are more BB10 devices being used there. Next time, it would be nice if you had something useful to say as opposed to just making a one-sided statement. Thanks!

    They used statcounter data. Credibility went out the window if they believe that is accurate.
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    08-17-13 04:36 PM
  14. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Internet on BBOS devices is an awful experience. With BB10, it's seamless. The trend would suggest there is an increase in internet usage leading credence to the idea that there are more BB10 devices being used there. Next time, it would be nice if you had something useful to say as opposed to just making a one-sided statement. Thanks!
    Trust me, "useful" does NOT include using Statcounter as a basis of ANYTHING substantial. We've had this discussion several times.

    Of course, if you want to accept data and the article that is based on it, you are very welcome to; whatever makes one happy.
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    08-17-13 04:44 PM
  15. Shanerredflag's Avatar
    Agreed, however one cannot deny the brilliance of 10.2 with MDM.

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    08-17-13 09:16 PM
  16. howarmat's Avatar
    Internet on BBOS devices is an awful experience. With BB10, it's seamless. The trend would suggest there is an increase in internet usage leading credence to the idea that there are more BB10 devices being used there. Next time, it would be nice if you had something useful to say as opposed to just making a one-sided statement. Thanks!
    I am not going to do your homework for you. A simple search for statcounter on these forums will show you all you want to know about how unreliable it is.
    08-17-13 09:20 PM
  17. Wiki Cydia's Avatar
    Internet on BBOS devices is an awful experience. With BB10, it's seamless. The trend would suggest there is an increase in internet usage leading credence to the idea that there are more BB10 devices being used there. Next time, it would be nice if you had something useful to say as opposed to just making a one-sided statement. Thanks!
    One, if BB10 browsing is better than legacy BBOS browsing, then it's possible that the difference in browsing usage is the result of BB10 owners using their devices more, not necessarily an increase in BB10 devices. Two, the fact that a statement is or is not one-sided does not mean it isn't also useful, as the two qualities often are completely independent of each other.
    08-17-13 09:43 PM
  18. theRock1975's Avatar
    I've been coming to these forums for years and I have yet to read a solid argument on why statcounter data should be discounted.

    Didn't the statcounter data corresponding to Q1 confirm some things that were said in the earnings release?

    For example, US launch was poor, Canadian launch was great. Overall, North American revenue grew 30%

    Worldwide market share ending May was flat. Comscore confirmed, Q1 confirmed...

    There are parallels between statcounter, bbry q1, comscore, and idc.

    Now take a look at statcounter North America and US results for July and August. It seems the q10 is doing way better than the z10 because the numbers soared after q10 launch.

    App vendors are just now confirming q10 sales are overtaking Z10 sales. Z10 has a 4 month head start in sales. Could it be that the pent up demand is finally being filled?

    People will have far fetched arguments like statcounter hits are higher because bb10 has fewer apps! The fact is that the hit number are high than they were before. That means something.

    Posted via CB10
    08-17-13 09:54 PM
  19. howarmat's Avatar
    I've been coming to these forums for years and I have yet to read a solid argument on why statcounter data should be discounted.

    Didn't the statcounter data corresponding to Q1 confirm some things that were said in the earnings release?

    For example, US launch was poor, Canadian launch was great. Overall, North American revenue grew 30%

    Worldwide market share ending May was flat. Comscore confirmed, Q1 confirmed...

    There are parallels between statcounter, bbry q1, comscore, and idc.

    Now take a look at statcounter North America and US results for July and August. It seems the q10 is doing way better than the z10 because the numbers soared after q10 launch.

    App vendors are just now confirming q10 sales are overtaking Z10 sales. Z10 has a 4 month head start in sales. Could it be that the pent up demand is finally being filled?

    People will have far fetched arguments like statcounter hits are higher because bb10 has fewer apps! The fact is that the hit number are high than they were before. That means something.

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    now go look at Canada for the same time....its drops from 25% to 8% share. that mean Canada basically to BB to go screw themselves and threw their BB in the grabage to drop like that
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    08-17-13 10:04 PM
  20. theRock1975's Avatar
    now go look at Canada for the same time....its drops from 25% to 8% share. that mean Canada basically to BB to go screw themselves and threw their BB in the grabage to drop like that
    Yes there is an awkward skew in the Canadian results. It seems there was one month of faulty data(double reversal).

    It could also be true that the Canadian market share is weakening.

    We'll know next month!

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    08-17-13 10:25 PM
  21. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    now go look at Canada for the same time....its drops from 25% to 8% share. that mean Canada basically to BB to go screw themselves and threw their BB in the grabage to drop like that
    Exactly. But hey, let's use Statcounter as the Holy Grail of empirical data. LOL.
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    08-17-13 10:29 PM
  22. Dapper37's Avatar
    One, if BB10 browsing is better than legacy BBOS browsing, then it's possible that the difference in browsing usage is the result of BB10 owners using their devices more, not necessarily an increase in BB10 devices. Two, the fact that a statement is or is not one-sided does not mean it isn't also useful, as the two qualities often are completely independent of each other.
    Ya but.... wut?

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    08-17-13 10:51 PM
  23. notfanboy's Avatar
    There was a poster, I forget the name, who made all sorts of extrapolations based on parsing Statcounter data. I bit my tongue and did not respond when this poster attempted to derive sales numbers based on tiny percentage fluctuations in the graphs. He ridiculed and mocked all of the analyst sales projections of 3-4MM and said that there was no way it could be less than 5MM. Those analysts were completely clueless! Those posts got tons of likes and thanks.
    08-18-13 12:21 AM
  24. Gesig Boek's Avatar
    Hey, if this thread proves one thing, it is that there are plenty of people who do not know about the issues with Statcounter, and look for sales related explanations when Statcounter themselves explained the cause for the anomalous readings.
    08-18-13 06:31 AM

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