1. DavideaNY's Avatar
    This could possibly be huge for BlackBerry if they reach an agreement with UAE carriers.

    http://it.advfn.com/notizie/BlackBer...g_56331914.htm

    Here the complete article for those who do not want to leave Crackberry

    BlackBerry Nears VoIP Deal in UAE - Analyst Blog
    As per media reports Blackberry Limited (BBRY) is on the verge of signing an agreement with the telecom carriers in United Arab Emirates (UAE), that will allow the handset manufacturer to offer VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) services for the first time in the gulf country. If successful the deal could come as welcome news for BlackBerry in the UAE, which is one of the six countries where the company recently launched itís BB10 OS (operating System) based device.

    Blackberry has faced resistance in the Middle Eastern countries to launch its VoIP services because the telecom carriers receive high roaming tariffs from the voice calls made by the countriesí emigrant populations. The Dubai-based carrier DU and BlackBerry are currently testing VoIP and Internet-based video services and expect to launch it in the near future.

    Voice calls are generally charged based on the length of the call and the country receiving the call. However, VoIP calls are offered almost for free once customers have purchased a data plan from a telecom carrier. VoIP is a serious threat to traditional voice calls and according to research firm Ovum the Internet-based service will hurt the telecom industry with $479 billion in lost revenues by 2020.* **

    BlackBerry, which is popular for its BBM (blackberry Messenger) service has almost 60 million active members and provides free and secure instant messaging service. The company has added a video function to its BB10 OS-based device in addition to the already present voice functions.

    If the Canadian handset manufacturer receives the nod to launch the services in the oil rich country, then it will gain an edge over its rival Samsung Electronics, Apple Inc. (AAPL) and Nokia Corporation (NOK). Nokia, which offers Microsoft Corporationís (MSFT) VoIP service Skype Appleís very own Face Time are blocked in the UAE by the service providers.

    Allowing the VoIP service could put the UAE carriers into a disadvantageous position that are already loosing money as customers are looking for other options to overcome high cost voice calls. Therefore, if BBM voice and video services are allowed then the carriers need to come up with an alternative measures to compensate their loss of revenue from international calls.

    Historically, UAE has been a popular market for the Waterloo, Canada-based company and retailers in UAE have seen robust demand for its latest BB10-based Z10 smartphones. We believe if BlackBerry indeed receives success in proving VoIP services then it will boost the sales of its latest device, while paving the way for future success in the country.
    02-18-13 08:03 AM
  2. bhrgvr's Avatar
    This could have a cascading effect in India and neighbouring(most will not subscribe to my spelling the word) countries as 70% of the work force in the middle east are from the Indian subcontinent..... Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh included.

    If this deal comes through the work force will buy the Z10 and ask their families back home to purchase one. The carriers here are not going to like it.


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    02-19-13 01:59 AM
  3. cgk's Avatar
    This could have a cascading effect in India and neighbouring(most will not subscribe to my spelling the word) countries as 70% of the work force in the middle east are from the Indian subcontinent..... Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh included.

    If this deal comes through the work force will buy the Z10 and ask their families back home to purchase one. The carriers here are not going to like it.


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    Doubtful when you look at the profile of the labour force who are imported into the middle-east, they aren't going to have that sort of cash.
    02-19-13 02:54 AM
  4. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    Doubtful when you look at the profile of the labour force who are imported into the middle-east, they aren't going to have that sort of cash.
    You might be surprised. If the family is currently spending a few hundred a month in roaming and/or ld tolls and the data plans were attractive enough, they could see the investment paid off within a year.
    02-19-13 02:59 AM
  5. cgk's Avatar
    You might be surprised. If the family is currently spending a few hundred a month in roaming and/or ld tolls and the data plans were attractive enough, they could see the investment paid off within a year.
    Are you thinking of wealthy highly skilled knowledge workers ? The sort of workforce I am discussing, the majority of the economics migrants don't fit that category, they does not have 'a few hundred' a month to spend on roaming costs, they are effectively modern serfs with limited or no rights, subject to human rights and workers violations. While the wages they earn are competitive with their home countries they are certainly not at the level that they are going to be blowing cash on a smartphone in the Z10 range - the last academic piece I saw said that the average salary was about $700 a month.
    02-19-13 04:09 AM
  6. bhrgvr's Avatar
    Doubtful when you look at the profile of the labour force who are imported into the middle-east, they aren't going to have that sort of cash.
    You don't know what length they will go to, to save those couple of dirhams... )

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    02-19-13 02:54 PM
  7. bhrgvr's Avatar
    $700 is roughly equal to 2500 AED. The worker spends about 500AED or less for rental purposes and gets medical and insurance. His transport to workplace is taken care of by pool transport. he hardly spends anything to eat for lunch as they stay in a dormitory and cook. They wash their own clothes, by hand. There is no income tax. They return home once in two years, paid for by their employer. A call back home costs about 3AED per minute. So even if they talk for about 2 hours per week with their family it comes to about 1200AED. The data plans costs are not prohibitively high... So for the same amount of talk time, they spend far less (1GB costs 99AED per month). I believe that for a GB of data you can talk for about 1000 Minutes, considering 1MB per minute (I may not be right here). Rest is Math....
    02-19-13 03:51 PM
  8. abwan11's Avatar
    Won't the carriers benefit from sales of higher end devices to lower end crowds? At least there is something there for the carriers to work off of.
    02-19-13 04:43 PM
  9. bhrgvr's Avatar
    Won't the carriers benefit from sales of higher end devices to lower end crowds? At least there is something there for the carriers to work off of.
    Really? The carrier does not get a lot of money selling the phone... what he earns is by selling the bandwidth... thats the real money pouring into their coffers... a GB of bandwidth in real cost is just a few cents... check this article out:

    How much does bandwidth actually cost? | FP Tech Desk | Financial Post

    and in UAE... guess what... 99AED is equal to $25... so the markup is like a zillion times... When they say that the carrier is going to lose money by transmitting data over VoIP... they are pulling wool over your eyes...

    It's good for all by letting people use VoIP... the only problem carriers have is that the traditional networks that they have so painfully laid is going to go waste, even when they have made enough money out of it, to cover the cost of laying, investing in equipment many times over... they don't want to lose a source of revenue, so they term it as a loss by switching over to VoIP... and so the greed goes... And I am willing to let the carriers steal my money....
    02-19-13 07:15 PM
  10. abwan11's Avatar
    I meant someone who hadn't found a smartphone a necessity, would now consider it, if voip were available.
    The carrier would benefit from the upsell of phone and data etc.
    02-19-13 07:54 PM
  11. bhrgvr's Avatar
    yes... that is very much a possibility...
    Apologies... I misunderstood you...
    02-19-13 07:58 PM
  12. abwan11's Avatar
    No worries brother.
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    02-19-13 08:10 PM

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