1. CBPilu's Avatar
    Just saw a sprint ad advertising they will have the first 4g network. Is there any truth to this and have any other carriers started to run ads like this?

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    05-20-09 09:17 PM
  2. SilverLight98's Avatar
    Yes its true there are going to be the first to introduce a 4G network. Sprint is using WiMax technology, while all other US carriers are switching to LTE tech which means that Sprint is probably not going to have as many phones.... Verizon is scheduled to roll out LTE in 2010, and At&t in 2011-2012.
    05-20-09 09:33 PM
  3. CBPilu's Avatar
    Ahh shucks. At&t is always late in the game I feel. Sigh.

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    05-20-09 09:42 PM
  4. stuaw11's Avatar
    Rather them do it right and be a few months late to the game.

    Look at Sprint, 2 years into WIMAX and under a handful of cities actually rolled out and a usb modem- none of those "cool" promised devices like netbooks, dig cameras, etc etc. Sounds very vapor-warish to me.

    By the time Sprint gets 20 WIMAX cities launched, VZW will have their 20 LTE and it took Sprint almost 3 years to do so.
    05-20-09 09:51 PM
  5. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    Rather them do it right and be a few months late to the game.

    Look at Sprint, 2 years into WIMAX and under a handful of cities actually rolled out and a usb modem- none of those "cool" promised devices like netbooks, dig cameras, etc etc. Sounds very vapor-warish to me.

    By the time Sprint gets 20 WIMAX cities launched, VZW will have their 20 LTE and it took Sprint almost 3 years to do so.
    You have actual proof of this? I mean really, common.

    The only thing that really makes any sense in this thread is that there might not be alot of phone for it. Of course since it is open source, adding the hardware would come at just a few bucks.

    Really in truth, lte is the replacement for 3g. lte is made for phones and umds to run limited internet and other actives.

    Wimax is a broadband/cable replacement. It will run mainly in computers and moble stations, ie your car.

    They really are two different things.

    Wimax is made to replace your whole internet connection land and wireless. LTE is just to add connection to your moble devices.

    As for hardware and cities. LTE will take aleast 4 years to reach 20 cities, wimax should be in 20 cites by the end of this year.

    Hardware, since it is open source, there will be a lot of manufactures of wimax produces, think wireless routers today.

    With wimax, you home, pc, and phone are all on one connection.
    05-20-09 11:33 PM
  6. fabuloso's Avatar
    Sprint is only releasing their 4Gless network on the wireless units for netbooks and PC's. I could care less how long it takes them to do anything, they aren't coming down with anything pretty other than their commercials which are pointless. Why advertise 4G when you don't even have it yet. Consumers don't even know what 4G means, so what difference would it make?
    05-20-09 11:50 PM
  7. jonnyd5506's Avatar
    Consumers are more educated then you think
    05-21-09 02:12 AM
  8. avmsam's Avatar
    no they're not

    sprint will have the first 4g network cuz they're using wimax for their 4g network. i dont know why they went wimax. LTE is more popular for 4g networks.

    LTE vs WiMAX: A Little 4G Sibling Rivalry
    05-21-09 07:09 AM
  9. syb0rg's Avatar
    Ahh shucks. At&t is always late in the game I feel. Sigh.

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    Did you even see T-Mobile in that mix ? just picture how we feel
    05-21-09 07:16 AM
  10. syb0rg's Avatar
    Sprint is only releasing their 4Gless network on the wireless units for netbooks and PC's. I could care less how long it takes them to do anything, they aren't coming down with anything pretty other than their commercials which are pointless. Why advertise 4G when you don't even have it yet. Consumers don't even know what 4G means, so what difference would it make?


    they are rolling it out for cellular devices not just PC/Mac Notebooks. The Palm Pre being the first 4G phone.
    Last edited by mjneid; 05-21-09 at 07:23 AM.
    05-21-09 07:18 AM
  11. stuaw11's Avatar
    LOL the Pre is NOT 4g, go check the specs a few more times. Its only EVDO Rev A.

    You have actual proof of this? I mean really, common.

    The only thing that really makes any sense in this thread is that there might not be alot of phone for it. Of course since it is open source, adding the hardware would come at just a few bucks.

    Really in truth, lte is the replacement for 3g. lte is made for phones and umds to run limited internet and other actives.

    Wimax is a broadband/cable replacement. It will run mainly in computers and moble stations, ie your car.

    They really are two different things.

    Wimax is made to replace your whole internet connection land and wireless. LTE is just to add connection to your moble devices.

    As for hardware and cities. LTE will take aleast 4 years to reach 20 cities, wimax should be in 20 cites by the end of this year.

    Hardware, since it is open source, there will be a lot of manufactures of wimax produces, think wireless routers today.

    With wimax, you home, pc, and phone are all on one connection.
    Are you kidding me?

    Verizon Wireless to light up LTE in 20 to 30 markets in 2H 2010

    20 by end 2010 VZW LTE. Hardly 4 years, sorry to tell ya.

    Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out € The Register

    10 this year 5 next year WIMAX.

    EXACTLY as I said VZW will have 20 LTE cities out before Sprint's WIMAX reaches 20 when Sprint had an EASY year advantage.

    And I guess you know what LTE and WIMAX are for more than the carriers WIMAX is as much of a 3g replacement as LTE. WIMAX is just Sprint's flavor of replacement which they chose to go with.

    Name one of these "great" devices WIMAX promised that is out to the public so far? None. Name a phone? None. Thats proof in itself, typical Sprint all talk no go.

    I mean really, be a Sprint fanboy but at least do a little research of your own before discounting someone who has done theirs
    Last edited by stuaw11; 05-21-09 at 08:03 AM.
    05-21-09 07:58 AM
  12. bobdelt's Avatar
    Don't forget that google and intel back Sprint/clearwire with their wimax roll out.

    Dont count it out just yet.
    05-21-09 08:49 AM
  13. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    [QUOTE=stuaw11;2611532
    Name one of these "great" devices WIMAX promised that is out to the public so far? None. Name a phone? None. Thats proof in itself, typical Sprint all talk no go.[/QUOTE]


    I have personally played with about 40 different devices, including phone, net books, note books.

    Go to any tech store. go to ebay and do a wimax search, you can get lab tops and phones.
    .
    But that is pointless, show me a lte phone? can you? common?
    show me a lte connection in any city? common? oh you cannot? I am sorry?

    To be accurate, lte does not really work right now. And it cost twice if not three times the amount to roll out.
    05-21-09 10:17 AM
  14. Soloman02's Avatar
    Um, 60mbps down and 20mbps up = wireless broadband to me.
    LG tests world's first LTE cellphone chip: 60Mbps downloads are go
    05-21-09 11:19 AM
  15. bobdelt's Avatar
    Um, 60mbps down and 20mbps up = wireless broadband to me.
    LG tests world's first LTE cellphone chip: 60Mbps downloads are go
    A test in a lab is not real world.
    05-21-09 01:09 PM
  16. BAGTEVZ's Avatar
    Verizon should have went to UMB but no vodafone choose verizon to go LTE
    05-21-09 01:45 PM
  17. Soloman02's Avatar
    So it won't be that good, but the tests indicate that it will be fast, equal or better than wimax. But, LTE has greater range due to using the 700MHz spectrum, and LTE will penetrate leaves better (something that kills my signal with ATT at my house in the summer). Also, if I travel to Canada, Europe, Asia, or anywhere else outside the US, I will need LTE to use my phone.
    05-21-09 01:47 PM
  18. bobdelt's Avatar
    Cool enjoy it.

    Instead of deciding now, I'm going to wait until my contract is up, and then buy a new phone/service that's best at the time. But you have fun deciding your fate in advance.
    05-21-09 02:19 PM
  19. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    Um, 60mbps down and 20mbps up = wireless broadband to me.
    LG tests world's first LTE cellphone chip: 60Mbps downloads are go
    Yea, so can wimax, easily. In the real world both will max out at about 5 to 6 mbps.

    Why, while that is simple. For most cases, including phones. 5-6mbs is about the max that can be tranfered and computed by the device. Any faster, lets say your magical 60mbps you are actually out racing your ability to process it.

    Do a simple test. Tranfer a large fill from one hard drive to another. With sata 7,500 rpms you start to max out transfer speed around 30 mbps.

    That is simply moving one file to another place on a quad core machine with 16 megabits of ram.

    You can see on your phone where there is going to be problems.


    Now let us look at something else.

    Band width.

    lte works at 700 mhz, which is fine, nice and low.

    Wimax works on 2.5 ghz, But it also works on 2.3-GHz, 2.5-GHz, 3.5-GHz, and 5.8-GHz.

    What does that mean. Well more band width the more people can use the service at one time.

    At 700 mhz lte is going to suffer from the more people using it, the slower it will get.

    Wimax will beable not only to manage between 4 different ghz levels but will also beable to break up the levels into 50 mhz levels with in each ghz range.

    This means that when everyone jumps on to lte, you have one mhz level to use. That is it. The more people on that level the slower it will go. Just like with 3g today.

    Wimax will allow for up to 50 mhz level with the 2.5 ghz frame.

    Allowing for 50 times more traffic then lte, before bogging down.

    That is why it is being sold as wireless broadband, and lte is being sold as moble broadband.

    The main traffic for wimax will be data, including phones, netbooks, servers, and home pcs.

    The main traffic for lte will be phone and moble devices.

    Both have their place in the real world.
    05-21-09 02:27 PM
  20. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    So it won't be that good, but the tests indicate that it will be fast, equal or better than wimax. But, LTE has greater range due to using the 700MHz spectrum, and LTE will penetrate leaves better (something that kills my signal with ATT at my house in the summer). Also, if I travel to Canada, Europe, Asia, or anywhere else outside the US, I will need LTE to use my phone.
    to be honest I have not see this, in the real world. I am able to get wimax in the basement of school where not even a cell signal can reach.
    05-21-09 02:29 PM
  21. fabuloso's Avatar
    The Palm Pre being the first 4G phone.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! and my Bold is 10G, it can hear your thoughts. Speaking of why consumers don't know ****.
    05-21-09 03:01 PM
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