IT specialist says Apple is more secure than BlackBerry
- Interesting POVs one sees on this site.
Apple has always cooperated with lawful warrants. Apple contended the FBI request in the San Bernardino case was not lawful so refused using a number of legal arguments. That is the right of anyone, with the understanding that such an issue may then be escalated up the judicial chain. Had the FBI done so and had it gotten up to SCOTUS and ruled against Apple as being indeed lawful, then Apple has to comply or face contempt.
As for breaking into the phones, the technique used was one that encryption experts were saying all along would likely be the best way.Last edited by ray689; 12-26-16 at 10:32 PM.
12-26-16 09:00 PMLike 0 - Well, Apple was not willing to help the FBI break into a phone or provide the tools. BB has supposedly aided law enforcement. Which phone is more secure? For what purpose? Who is "law enforcement?"
edited to add: whoops seems like this may have been discussed further in the thread but I replied before reading that far.Tien-Lin Chang likes this.12-26-16 11:41 PMLike 1 - How is it possible that Apple is more secure than BlackBerry? Someone that I know that works in IT said this to me, but I didn't bother probe and ask him the reasons why. I know he has more experience working in IT than I do, working in a totally unrelated field, but what he says is probably based on some reasonable grounds. So how is it possible then? I always believed BlackBerry to be the gold standard when it came to security?
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When organisations such as 1st world governments & NATO start using non-BlackBerry products for Official-Sensitive (and higher) Mobile Messaging then you can assume that these non-Blackberry products are as secure as BlackBerry (no guarantee that they are more secure). These organisations have been hoping for an alternative to BlackBerry for years (eg they don't want all their eggs in one basket, especially if they thought that this basket was probably going out of business...) yet they are still BlackBerry users for anything sensitive (eg messaging that is more sensitive than "the coffee machine has been fixed" or "the car park is closed on Tuesday for building work").
The above is a gross simplification of Mobile Device Security (multiple types of products are used in the mobile messaging ecosystem/chain, weakest link in the chain, etc), but hopefully a good starter-for-ten...
BTW - I have always believed that the very public FBI/Apple protestations re: iOS security were at least 90% made up.... (Fret: thanks for the edit of this sentence!)
Hope this helps!Last edited by BigAl_BB9900; 12-27-16 at 05:07 AM. Reason: typos etc
12-27-16 04:24 AMLike 0 -
- How is it possible that Apple is more secure than BlackBerry? Someone that I know that works in IT said this to me, but I didn't bother probe and ask him the reasons why. I know he has more experience working in IT than I do, working in a totally unrelated field, but what he says is probably based on some reasonable grounds. So how is it possible then? I always believed BlackBerry to be the gold standard when it came to security?
Posted via CB10DrBoomBotz and Superdupont 2_0 like this.12-27-16 07:55 AMLike 2 - Well, Apple was not willing to help the FBI break into a phone or provide the tools. BB has supposedly aided law enforcement. Which phone is more secure? For what purpose? Who is "law enforcement?"
edited to add: whoops seems like this may have been discussed further in the thread but I replied before reading that far.12-27-16 08:16 AMLike 0 - BB10 is dead.... There are no new devices and the ones there are won't be for sale much longer, so at this point most all IT departments have got to move on to a viable device roadmap for replacements and upgrades.
But do they stick with BlackBerry and their move to Android and generic Chinese made devices that may or may not be released by carriers? Or do they go with a solution that is a known factor?
Apple might not be the most secure in some ways (FBI could hack it), but in other ways (form factor, updates, future) it is much more secure than sticking with BlackBerry and the unknown.12-27-16 09:38 AMLike 0 -
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- I was and loved to get out of office, visit, get fresh air and fresh perspective. Too much over simplifying and putting ppl into preconceived boxes.
Too much kool-aide kids. Whether Apple fan boys or others come across as cult of us vs them.
Wasn't the 5c unlike case anyway and was not users personal phone but work and most data can be gleaned from cell tower locations and metadata.
Also icloud is not secure even today.12-27-16 01:10 PMLike 0 -
And as to going on site well that is something that is seldom needed. And that is why any well implemented IT department should have on site folks to take care of any issue that cannot be dealt with remotely .
Posted via CB10Dunt Dunt Dunt and Tien-Lin Chang like this.12-27-16 01:17 PMLike 2 -
And it is obvious that they found NOTHING on that San Bernadino Iphone 5C because if they did it would have been all over the news by now.
I remember At the time right after the California incident I believe it was Conan, he had Steve Wozniak on as a guest and Steve mentioned that one time he wrote a code that he could have entered and it was so dangerous it could have destroyed the company if he wanted it to. He was "so afraid" of it that as soon as he wrote it, he destroyed it!
That vid would be easy to find on Youtube....
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12-27-16 02:10 PMLike 3 - They didn't even have a key. They would have needed to create a custom version of iOS to circumvent security features that are built-in to the existing version. With newer iPhones, they wouldn't even be able to do that without destroying the user data on the phone.TGR1 and Tien-Lin Chang like this.12-27-16 02:21 PMLike 2
- They didn't even have a key. They would have needed to create a custom version of iOS to circumvent security features that are built-in to the existing version. With newer iPhones, they wouldn't even be able to do that without destroying the user data on the phone.
I remember all the panic over the Touch ID fingerprint scanner on the 5S, people thought Apple would sell or give everyone's fingerprints to the FBI and Apple had to calm people down and reassure them that the print does not leave the device, it only goes as far as the chip inside it. Apple never sees it, similar to the info for using Apple Pay.
Edit:I remember hearing on the news that the FBI hired about 10 hackers to finally break the passcode on that iPhone 5C and they were paid quite well. But it wasn't that easy. But nor do I think backdoors should be given if it puts EVERYONES security at risk. Don't forget other countries like China and Russia would LOVE to have access and every government worker that uses an iPhone would lose sensitive data as well.12-27-16 02:40 PMLike 4 - Secure is not about the phone only. It's about networks that connect all of your services to your phone/devices. Phone/device is only about local security of the operating system itself. Having capability to take superuser access of the phone actually is a big plus, so you can get access deeper into /system in your OS.12-27-16 08:32 PMLike 0
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ETA: an example why, even with the best of intentions and promises to keep access tightly controlled, back doors are pesky things
Bungling Microsoft singlehandedly proves that golden backdoor keys are a terrible idea ? The RegisterElephant_Canyon and anon(9721108) like this.12-28-16 03:30 AMLike 2 - I think your IT specialist is totally wrong.
iOS users and Android users are basically carrying devices with a large number of security holes, while BB10 has still not been powned.
I don't care if holes are patched next week or next year, I just don't want them in the first place.
And it seems that only BlackBerry is able to deliver that quality. Period.
If we just focus on all historical CVSS scores above 9, then it looks like this for iOS
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...2a91b50a05740a
and Android
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...7afc8985e3dc01
while BB10 with any CVSS score is like this:
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...kberry-Os.html
Posted via CB10BigAl_BB9900 likes this.12-29-16 02:44 AMLike 1 -
It also doesn't list any Android runtime exploits either (like Stagefright).12-29-16 10:48 AMLike 0 -
Although, 2 years and I have never gotten someone hijacked any services I'm using in my android phone.Last edited by chain13; 12-29-16 at 11:27 AM.
12-29-16 10:57 AMLike 0 - I think your IT specialist is totally wrong.
iOS users and Android users are basically carrying devices with a large number of security holes, while BB10 has still not been powned.
I don't care if holes are patched next week or next year, I just don't want them in the first place.
And it seems that only BlackBerry is able to deliver that quality. Period.
If we just focus on all historical CVSS scores above 9, then it looks like this for iOS
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...2a91b50a05740a
and Android
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...7afc8985e3dc01
while BB10 with any CVSS score is like this:
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...kberry-Os.html
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You know, if there was an active development community, and millions of users, how many flaws would of been found?
I'll stay with Google Android.Tien-Lin Chang likes this.12-29-16 12:55 PMLike 1 -
- Everything has security holes. BlackBerry is not exempt from that.
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