1. conbrio29's Avatar
    How is it possible that Apple is more secure than BlackBerry? Someone that I know that works in IT said this to me, but I didn't bother probe and ask him the reasons why. I know he has more experience working in IT than I do, working in a totally unrelated field, but what he says is probably based on some reasonable grounds. So how is it possible then? I always believed BlackBerry to be the gold standard when it came to security?

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    12-25-16 10:55 PM
  2. Lithtech's Avatar
    Sounds to me... this so called *IT specialist* is a Apple Fan boy or he's been paid.


    IOS is secure... sure.. but NO WAY IN HELL on the level of security when it comes to BlackBerry.
    12-25-16 11:30 PM
  3. thurask's Avatar
    How is it possible that Apple is more secure than BlackBerry? Someone that I know that works in IT said this to me, but I didn't bother probe and ask him the reasons why. I know he has more experience working in IT than I do, working in a totally unrelated field, but what he says is probably based on some reasonable grounds. So how is it possible then? I always believed BlackBerry to be the gold standard when it came to security?

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    Without examining his reasoning there's no real points to argue...
    12-25-16 11:49 PM
  4. MikeX74's Avatar
    Without examining his reasoning there's no real points to argue...
    Someone said something is better than BlackBerry. That's the only reason some folks here need.
    12-26-16 02:33 AM
  5. H4zN's Avatar
    lol what exactly is his role in IT? Even if he's a security specialist, mobile device security is something very specific. One can argue that security is one of the building blocks of iOS (while really they do a lot of patch work), whereas BlackBerry have made it a part of their identity, which translates to different layers of security before starting the OS and while you're running it (DTEK).

    Apple is playing a cat-mouse game with their security. Every version of their OS has holes and developers are exploiting it to create jailbreaks for it. BlackBerry has challenged others to try to do the same with their security layer in Android and no one has been able to root it yet.

    Tell this to your IT guy and he's probably defend Apple like most fanboys not knowing what they're talking about.

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    BallRockReaper likes this.
    12-26-16 03:30 AM
  6. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Someone says something "negative" about BlackBerry infers the person is paid?
    12-26-16 04:35 AM
  7. TheAuthority's Avatar
    Someone says something "negative" about BlackBerry infers the person is paid?
    If not paid then clueless when he says iOS/Apple is more secure than BlackBerry. Really, people on this forum should give it up when it comes to criticizing BlackBerry security. Complain about the lack of apps compared to apple/google, whatever, but those platforms' security is "as good" or better than BlackBerry? Nice try.
    rarsen likes this.
    12-26-16 08:02 AM
  8. TCB on Z10's Avatar
    Someone said something is better than BlackBerry. That's the only reason some folks here need.
    Yes, this site should be renamed " Dump on BlackBerry". The silent majority, who love BB10 BlackBerrys, and even their new android devices, do not post much.

    BB, Still the One
    12-26-16 09:46 AM
  9. TgeekB's Avatar
    Isn't "security" kind of a wide variable though? That word means different things to different people.
    12-26-16 10:43 AM
  10. TheAuthority's Avatar
    Isn't "security" kind of a wide variable though? That word means different things to different people.
    I fully expected you to drop in and try to muddy the waters whenever it might be claimed that BlackBerry is actually better at something than apple and/or google/android. There'so need to reach your question because it's irrelevant. When discussing something like security, we're not comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended) i.e. how one perceives an apple versus an orange. For example, some encryption is stronger, some is weaker. If apple or android have weaker encryption, then BlackBerry's is stronger no matter how one perceives "security" or whether one even cares about security or doesn't.
    12-26-16 11:10 AM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    I fully expected you to drop in and try to muddy the waters whenever it might be claimed that BlackBerry is actually better at something than apple and/or google/android. There'so need to reach your question because it's irrelevant. When discussing something like security, we're not comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended) i.e. how one perceives an apple versus an orange. For example, some encryption is stronger, some is weaker. If apple or android have weaker encryption, then BlackBerry's is stronger no matter how one perceives it.
    Thanks for the kind words.
    The IT person in question has an experience neither you or i have. To them, for their company, they perceive Apple as having what they need for security and not BlackBerry.
    No where did i say BlackBerry was not secure or no good, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
    shaleem likes this.
    12-26-16 11:14 AM
  12. ChainPunch's Avatar
    Nothing is a 100% secure, so it all depends on how a person set up their device for their level of security.
    TgeekB and shaleem like this.
    12-26-16 11:18 AM
  13. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Isn't "security" kind of a wide variable though? That word means different things to different people.
    Yep.

    Take messaging for instance. Didn't BBM get knocked for not being encrypted outside of BES not too long ago?
    12-26-16 11:53 AM
  14. thurask's Avatar
    Someone said something is better than BlackBerry. That's the only reason some folks here need.
    Yeah, I guess.

    Even the best-supported claims are met with this:

    Carjackd, neoberry99 and shaleem like this.
    12-26-16 12:52 PM
  15. anon(3732391)'s Avatar
    Without examining his reasoning there's no real points to argue...
    If we were required to examine Anyones reasoning around here, that would just give us another reason to argue.
    12-26-16 02:34 PM
  16. drobbie's Avatar
    The fact that iOS can be jailbroken means it is not secure. Period!

    BB10 or Blackdroid still not yet broken.
    12-26-16 03:03 PM
  17. thurask's Avatar
    If we were required to examine Anyones reasoning around here, that would just give us another reason to argue.
    That's why nobody bothers to put points up in the first place.
    anon(3732391) and shaleem like this.
    12-26-16 03:04 PM
  18. Old_Mil's Avatar
    Well, possibly these reasons...

    1. You have to get BBM protected to have the same level of security that iMessage gives you out of the box.

    2. The platform relies on android apps to fill the app gap.

    3. Apple fought efforts to unlock one of its customer's phones while blackberry has cooperated with governments.

    I would have very much liked blackberry to take a different path...but this is life under chendroid.
    jmr1015 likes this.
    12-26-16 03:14 PM
  19. thurask's Avatar
    I would have very much liked blackberry to take a different path...but this is life under chendroid.
    Before, during and after Chen.
    shaleem likes this.
    12-26-16 03:18 PM
  20. BB-JAM215's Avatar
    How is it possible that Apple is more secure than BlackBerry? Someone that I know that works in IT said this to me, but I didn't bother probe and ask him the reasons why. I know he has more experience working in IT than I do, working in a totally unrelated field, but what he says is probably based on some reasonable grounds. So how is it possible then? I always believed BlackBerry to be the gold standard when it came to security?
    Your IT person may assume IOS is more secure than BlackBerry because under IOS file access is isolated on an app by app basis. In IOS there can be no "My Documents" folder location accessible by all your apps. IOS apps can only pass documents to another app, with each app having it's own private file space.

    But that's just one aspect of Operating System security.
    12-26-16 05:03 PM
  21. matthewkuhl's Avatar
    Perhaps his meaning was in the financial sense
    12-26-16 05:12 PM
  22. ray689's Avatar


    3. Apple fought efforts to unlock one of its customer's phones while blackberry has cooperated with governments.

    .
    Right. A bull**** publicity stunt (as it's documented that they consistently cooperate with law enforcement) which back fired when a 3rd party hacked the phones in a couple days.
    rthonpm and sonicpix like this.
    12-26-16 07:42 PM
  23. donnation's Avatar
    Depends on which Blackberry we are talking about. You could argue that BB10 is less secure out of the box than iOS without BES attached to BB10.

    You could also argue that BB Android at different points in time is less secure than iOS hence the monthly security updates. If the monthly security updates stopped for a device I think you could make that claim. But like said above without pointing out reasons why it's like saying Apples are better than Oranges (or Blackberries).
    12-26-16 07:46 PM
  24. TGR1's Avatar
    Right. A bull**** publicity stunt (as it's documented that they consistently cooperate with law enforcement) which back fired when a 3rd party hacked the phones in a couple days.
    Interesting POVs one sees on this site.

    Apple has always cooperated with lawful warrants. Apple contended the FBI request in the San Bernardino case was not lawful so refused using a number of legal arguments. That is the right of anyone, with the understanding that such an issue may then be escalated up the judicial chain. Had the FBI done so and had it gotten up to SCOTUS and ruled against Apple as being indeed lawful, then Apple has to comply or face contempt.

    As for breaking into the phones, the technique used was one that encryption experts were saying all along would likely be the best way.
    Tien-Lin Chang likes this.
    12-26-16 08:23 PM
  25. thecsman's Avatar
    If the phone can be rooted, it's game over. Having said that, your data might get wiped out on the way, but that doesn't make the phone more secure.

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    12-26-16 08:36 PM
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