- Whether BB10 has been in existence for three months or three years is not the issue. The issue is whether BB10 is being abandoned for a superior operating system, and It clearly is not! For those who are not sophisticated enough to appreciate the superiority of BB10, there is the Priv (an Android--not a true BlackBerry) and other Androids or other platforms. For those of us who are sophisticated enough to appreciate BB10's superiority as an OS, allow us to lament the loss.
"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
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My personal opinion - I've used BB10 (own a Z10, though it was last used in late 2014), and though I thought BB10 was a major step up from BBOS, I still prefer iOS and WP8. That doesn't mean BB10 sucks, or that it isn't the best option for some people. It also doesn't mean that it is self-evident why BB10 is wonderful.DrBoomBotz likes this.11-16-15 06:47 PMLike 1 - You do realize that statements like "for those of us who are sophisticated enough to appreciate BB10's superiority as an OS" is merely an opinion (albeit an arrogant one), right?
My personal opinion - I've used BB10 (own a Z10, though it was last used in late 2014), and though I thought BB10 was a major step up from BBOS, I still prefer iOS and WP8. That doesn't mean BB10 sucks, or that it isn't the best option for some people. It also doesn't mean that it is self-evident why BB10 is wonderful.
Is that wrong?
The skeleton of BB10 is really quite brilliant, even if the end product isn't as polished. That's why it's sad to see BB10 go. It clearly has the most potential as a platform.
Posted via CB1011-16-15 07:05 PMLike 0 - I don't really care about BB10's "workflow capabilities", and in fact I prefer to keep my e-mail and text message accounts separate rather than having everything mashed together because I use my different accounts for different purposes. (Where I work BB10's Hub functionality isn't as beneficial either because e-mail needs to be accessed through Good for Enterprise on mobile devices.) What I do care about is having a smartphone that works, and provides me the information I need in a hassle-free way. Because BB10 has a limited number of apps, and (to use an example) has no apps or at least had no apps for the WMATA/DC Metro transit system, something I use almost every weekday, it has less functionality to me than other mobile operating systems. (In my personal use experience, I've also found BB10 a little on the slow side.) That doesn't mean it can't provide significant benefits to other users.Ronindan likes this.11-16-15 07:17 PMLike 1
- I don't really care about BB10's "workflow capabilities", and in fact I prefer to keep my e-mail and text message accounts separate rather than having everything mashed together because I use my different accounts for different purposes. (Where I work BB10's Hub functionality isn't as beneficial either because e-mail needs to be accessed through Good for Enterprise on mobile devices.) What I do care about is having a smartphone that works, and provides me the information I need in a hassle-free way. Because BB10 has a limited number of apps, and (to use an example) has no apps or at least had no apps for the WMATA/DC Metro transit system, something I use almost every weekday, it has less functionality to me than other mobile operating systems. (In my personal use experience, I've also found BB10 a little on the slow side.) That doesn't mean it can't provide significant benefits to other users.
As for Good, well if BlackBerry owns them, I find it hard to believe BB10 isn't compatible.
You need apps? I guess the OS you use doesn't matter much then.
Posted via CB1011-16-15 07:38 PMLike 0 - You can keep email accounts separate from one another from within the hub you know. And BB10 is fast on good hardware. Because QNX is a microkernel, apparently it relies upon specs more than monolithic kernels (from what I read).
As for Good, well if BlackBerry owns them, I find it hard to believe BB10 isn't compatible.
You need apps? I guess the OS you use doesn't matter much then.
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Posted via CB1011-16-15 08:02 PMLike 4 - While I have enjoyed BlackBerry for the last 12 years, the lack of certain app functionality means that it's beginning to suck. I drove around looking for a branch atm today and what's simple on my LG G2 as I'm driving was impossible on my Z10, Z30 and Leap today. Clicked on the ported Android mobile app to search for location and got the "app won't run without Google Play Services" message. That BS is why BlackBerry marketshare blows and why BB10 sucks. All the effing superior OS crap doesn't mean jack when I have to pull into a parking lot to open a browser to do a effing Google search....
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That's my point. Apps are a different story, and you need what you need. But the way that hub manages email accounts is really quite advanced compared to the other OS's.
Posted via CB10TgeekB likes this.11-16-15 10:16 PMLike 1 - I totally agree, but having a dearth of third party apps (or even well-maintained first party apps) doesn't mean that BB10 still isn't the most well-designed and advanced OS of the bunch, from the kernel to the gui.
That's my point. Apps are a different story, and you need what you need. But the way that hub manages email accounts is really quite advanced compared to the other OS's.
Posted via CB1011-17-15 10:37 AMLike 0 - I totally agree, but having a dearth of third party apps (or even well-maintained first party apps) doesn't mean that BB10 still isn't the most well-designed and advanced OS of the bunch, from the kernel to the gui.
That's my point. Apps are a different story, and you need what you need. But the way that hub manages email accounts is really quite advanced compared to the other OS's.
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Posted via CB1011-17-15 11:06 AMLike 0 - I don't have to say "BlackBerry 10 works best for me" on a BlackBerry fan site, just to avoid offending iPhone fans on here. If you are not into BlackBerry, that's fine, but you cannot hang out here asking people to be "objective" and neutral on a BlackBerry fan site.
People are here because they like BlackBerry 10; and they believe BlackBerry 10 is the best mobile OS.
You know how to effectively win an argument? You acknowledge the other viewpoint as valid before proving it is wrong.
To be fair to Chen, he did not plan to go Android from the beginning of his tenure unless all reports have been BS. That said it is fair to say that he ramped down BB10 to a skeleton crew to save money and put the focus on software for enterprise device management.
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Scroll down to the John Chen and Bernard Tyson interview: at about 20:55
"People ask why you built an Android phone? There are 1,700 Android phones on the market and only one barely makes money; Samsung. I built the Android phone because I believe it could really showcase our security and privacy."
Boom. The Priv is not the hail mary for the handset division nor is it necessarily the future of BlackBerry. It is simply meant to advertise what BlackBerry could do in a way that BB10 could not. Keep in mind that Chen also keeps "BB10 is the most secure" on auto loop.
I'm not sure what BB can do to maintain Apps. Most of them are written by 3rd parties, who'd presumably need some incentive to continue support.
And I don't believe they have the resources, or will, to maintain Apps anyway given what's happening to BB10's Facebook App, which is one of the few Apps that BB did write.
BB10 is still years ahead of Android. Android requires a rewrite from the bottom up, it's just a mess. Maybe a decade ahead of Android, now that everyone is so entrenched in this OS. When are we going to see another properly design operating system? Not for a long time, I'm afraid.
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The one thing that all of these OSs have in common is that they can run Android apps. Of course, Google is trying to force and lock everyone into their own ecosystem with Play Services, but that might even fail them ultimately. Outside of ART, which can be obtained from AOSP, there are also open source run times, too.
BlackBerry is already ahead of the pack here with BB10. Ironically, Tizen edged out both MS and BlackBerry to take the 3rd most popular mobile OS spot (still a low percentage of market share, though).
Both Apple and Google could launch a new more modern OS.... the problem is both are smart enough to know that you don't abandoned your legacy users. Thus they have to make baby steps to improve what they have and bring everyone along....
Something that both BlackBerry and Microsoft failed to do.....
Google is still trying to figure out what to do with Android. Granted, Google spearheaded the OHA but in reality it was those other vendors that really helped make Android so popular. Google itself is still struggling to monetize from it and even the king of Android, Samsung--who dominates "Android revenues" is still small time compared to Apple/iOS.
BlackBerry and MS both target the same audience with the same feature: productivity. However, Instagram, the "real" FaceBook and FB Messenger, Uber, and a few other name brand apps are finally coming to W10 phones. Keep in mind that these apps stayed away from WinPhones for the exact same reason they stayed off BB10: too small of a user base to be worth their efforts. Perhaps if BlackBerry stuck with BB10 and made "normal" phones (candy bars, all-touch) they'd be in a similar position now with apps/devs, too.11-17-15 12:06 PMLike 0 - My theory is bb10 is in maintenence mode and maybe from time to time BlackBerry will release some highly secure bb10 phones with secusmart chips for governments , high profile customers etc (not retail use) who just needs a highly secure phone just for emails and phone calls (rather than apps)
When the concept of 'apps' die out and people move to Web based apps, BlackBerry then would probably Re look and reinvest in bb10 when things are on a more even playing field....
Posted via CB1011-17-15 06:06 PMLike 0 - I'm very sad, and mad at what is going to happen to an excellent OS that was bb10. I loved everything about it, and it had so much potential.
It's incredible what I could get some done and the efficiency of which it would get done.
All that aside, I've been using an iPhone for a little over three months now. I had used the z10 Classic and z30, loved every one of them. I even used my Z30 for two weeks about a month ago when my iPhone broke- I loved everything about those two weeks. Of course, there are some things that had me switch back again; I am using a 6s now.
Chen turned his back on BB10 and everyone knows it. Others have pointed out that it may have been his plan all along, who knows.
Regardless, the end of BB10 is incredibly sad and I'm quite upset to see it go away ever so softly as it will.
Thanks a lot, John Chen.11-19-15 03:05 AMLike 0 - Oh man i really hope they don't kill BB10, I really love it, it's a welcome change from Android...I have both a Blackberry Z30 and two Android phones and honestly I love the BB10 over the Android but I switch between the two for different reasons...but my heart is with the Z30...best sound and feel I've ever experienced in a smart phone...hope they can come up with something REALLY creative to make it sustainable and ever profitable! I mean Blackberry invented the Smart Phone for Christs sake...come up with something...it's not rocket science...put a phone out that people not just WANT...but a phone that people just CAN'T DO WITHOUT!!!!
Posted via CB1011-19-15 03:27 AMLike 0 - Yupp bb10 is by far the best OS imo....tried all the OSs but bb10 keeps me coming back.
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But you have "accidentally" cropped that part out.
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