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  1. Gnomesane's Avatar
    Amazon has a version of Android running on the Fire tablets. I'm wondering if HTC/Amazon using that on their phone would still cause OHA compliance issues.
    I guess we'll find out. The article is speculating on whether or not the alliance will break the OHA. Your guess is as good as mine. I just find it interesting in terms of the number of people that have posted on this forum about BlackBerry breaking the OHA agreement and posting about Piracy.
    11-15-13 07:58 PM
  2. Omahahaha's Avatar
    I still need the business side of BlackBerry.
    1. I need the old Memo Pad and ToDo list with reminder alarms.
    2. I need Profile sounds and notifications; not just per contact so I can create a Profile and add contacts to that. Then when I need to change something quickly, like to silence but still vibrate just for my wife, I only have to change to a different profile, and not individual contact settings.
    3. I need to be able to choose to leave mail on the server account when I delete it from my phone or choose to delete from both.
    11-15-13 08:15 PM
  3. extisis's Avatar
    screw the trendy apps, when is Bridge gonna be fixed completely for BB10 devices? that **** is taking forever.
    11-15-13 08:43 PM
  4. tickerguy's Avatar
    Oh, so it's all that hard now eh?

    Uh, nope. One app you have to push to your handset and anything freely available on Google Play is now on your BB10 device.....

    (No, I didn't write this, but as you can see it didn't take long and isn't very side-loadish. Well, ok, it is ONCE... )

    http://forums.crackberry.com/bb10-le...-2-1-a-874153/
    11-15-13 08:51 PM
  5. richardat's Avatar
    Apple "invented" bootcamp though.
    As a buyer of a haswell MacBook Pro Retina 13, I know of it because for some very specialised programs which need Windows.
    I could install a VM but I prefer dual-booting.

    Posted via CB10
    True. That was much later than the early windows emulation I was referring to! Bootcamp is a bit different since you're running full-fledged windows, but even then, don't know that it sold many Macs or gained Apple much marketshare. It is very nifty for people in your position though.
    11-15-13 09:21 PM
  6. app_Developer's Avatar
    If that's the case, are they Pirates as well for 'sideloading' Android apps without Google's permission?
    Amazon doesn't pirate apps, if that's what you're asking. They behave like a respectable business and ask developers if they would like to put their apps in the Amazon store, with proper agreements in place, etc.

    Every app in the Amazon store is there because the developers chose for it to be there. I have no problem if BlackBerry struck a deal with Amazon to make that store officially available on BB10 phones. That sounds like a fine idea, and there would be no piracy involved.
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    11-15-13 09:27 PM
  7. reeneebob's Avatar
    Forgive me if this was addressed and I missed it, but can you buy android apps? I mean, at this 1mobile site is there an ability to purchase premium apps?

    If not, can you purchase premium apps from the play store and put them on BB10?

    I had several apps I paid for on android, I have apps I've paid for on iOS and on BBOS and BB10. If you can only install free apps, to me there's still a gap...
    pantlesspenguin likes this.
    11-15-13 09:36 PM
  8. jhimmel's Avatar
    "App Gap" definitely smaller for those of us on 10.2.1.1055. Just loaded my bank app (Citi Mobile) onto my Z10. It works perfectly. It was one of the very few apps I really did miss. Already, tools are popping up to make it easy enough that a 3 year old could find and install an android app on a BB10 device. people will argue endlessly here over minutia, but the truth is, this is pretty huge. The biggest drawback at the moment (and it IS a big one), is that 10.2.1.1055 is not officially available, and one would need to install this leak to reap the rewards. Eventually, this will not be the case.
    By the way, 10.2.1.1055 seems to be working PERFECTLY on my Verizon Z10. However, I went through the painful process of a clean install, and rebuilding everything on the phone from scratch. Took a few hours to get everything back the way it was. multiple email accounts through Gmail and Outlook - then facebook, Evernote, Twitter, etc... Fine for me (Wife is on girls night out - perfect timing), but not so "fine" for many. Most of my info is sync'd through cloud services - calendar, contacts, Evernote... but other data I backed up through third party apps (SMS Backup for SMS, and Fire Chest for Remember) Then I have apps that export and import their own data.

    Anyway, that's done and now I can load APK's. I also have Group capability in Contacts, and notification Profiles again - two little thorns in BB10's side because they are functions that existed on BBOS legacy handsets.
    The new drop down settings is awesome - actually, this update brings a TON of new stuff - seems worthy of more than a small dot version increase.
    Later...
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    11-15-13 09:38 PM
  9. bhrgvr's Avatar
    The app gap is not gone till 10.2.1 hits us officially... it might be gone for those on leaks but for the others it will not.

    Posted via CB10
    11-15-13 09:44 PM
  10. Jerry A's Avatar
    Interesting. Seems Amazon is partnering with HTC on the Android front at the risk of being expelled from the OHA. Gasp.

    If that's the case, are they Pirates as well for 'sideloading' Android apps without Google's permission?

    Amazon set to launch HTC-built smartphone, reports say | Technology | theguardian.com

    EXCERPT: "If HTC has worked with with Amazon to produce a "forked" version of Google's Android operating system on the phones, then it could face expulsion from the Open Handset Alliance (OHA) - a consortium of mobile phone makers and networks whose stated purpose is to "accelerate innovation in mobile and offer consumers a richer, less expensive, and better mobile experience".
    No, because they'll be using Amazon's Appstore, which has submissions from the developers. No sideloading, that's the native appstore for Amazon devices.

    Totally different situation than the grey market stores which scrape the Google Play URLs.
    11-15-13 09:45 PM
  11. Unbiased Tech's Avatar
    You need to tinker with your device. Not massively tinker with it. Point taken, most people aren't interested in taking an extra step. But let's be honest. Anyone who roots their Android phone has to go through more steps than this. Same for jailbreaking iOS.
    I agree with everything you said except for the massively tinkering part. It is massive because at the moment this is a beta os that has to be loaded which could potentially brick your device. And let's be honest here. This os isn't coming to the states anytime soon (we don't even have official 10.2) so that's a large chunk of the user base not getting it until next spring if we're lucky. That's a long time in the market

    Posted via CB10
    11-15-13 09:49 PM
  12. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    I think people are making this more complicated than it really is.

    The legit 3rd party app stores (Amazon, 1mobile, MANY others) are there to sell apps for Android devices that aren't authorized for Google Play. By being able to install/run unmodified APKs, that's what BB10 is becoming with 10.2.1. There isn't anything shady about this.

    The leak allows for APK installs that are as quick as native ones from BlackBerry World. You can quibble over how valuable that is, but I can tell you that as someone who prefers the BB10 OS and just wants to fill a few annoying gaps, I'll take this happily.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30
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    11-15-13 10:05 PM
  13. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    I still need the business side of BlackBerry.
    1. I need the old Memo Pad and ToDo list with reminder alarms.
    2. I need Profile sounds and notifications; not just per contact so I can create a Profile and add contacts to that. Then when I need to change something quickly, like to silence but still vibrate just for my wife, I only have to change to a different profile, and not individual contact settings.
    3. I need to be able to choose to leave mail on the server account when I delete it from my phone or choose to delete from both.
    Points 2 and 3 are addressed nicely in 10.2.1.1055. You can now delete mail off the device and leave it on the server, and notification profiles are back.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30
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    11-15-13 10:08 PM
  14. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    Oh, so it's all that hard now eh?

    Uh, nope. One app you have to push to your handset and anything freely available on Google Play is now on your BB10 device.....

    (No, I didn't write this, but as you can see it didn't take long and isn't very side-loadish. Well, ok, it is ONCE... )

    http://forums.crackberry.com/bb10-le...-2-1-a-874153/
    Honestly, I wouldn't even bother with this. You still have to sideload. Go to 1mobile and you can install their store without even having to do that.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30
    11-15-13 10:10 PM
  15. southlander's Avatar
    I think people are making this more complicated than it really is.

    The legit 3rd party app stores (Amazon, 1mobile, MANY others) are there to sell apps for Android devices that aren't authorized for Google Play. By being able to install/run unmodified APKs, that's what BB10 is becoming with 10.2.1. There isn't anything shady about this.

    The leak allows for APK installs that are as quick as native ones from BlackBerry World. You can quibble over how valuable that is, but I can tell you that as someone who prefers the BB10 OS and just wants to fill a few annoying gaps, I'll take this happily.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30
    Pretty much sums it up for me.
    11-15-13 10:18 PM
  16. h20work's Avatar
    Pretty much sums it up for me.
    Have you tried deleting an app and then rebooting yet? Anything I delete magically reappears.
    11-15-13 10:32 PM
  17. alternator77's Avatar
    You know all this talk about 10.2.1 and the elephant in the room is making me worry a little.
    With their current abysmal market share when does anyone think well even get these updates from the carriers. At the rate they push these updates out it wont make much of a difference if they cant get it going. The only way they'll be able to advertise this is they even do that anymore is to haveit available for the average joe to use.

    Jesse its time to cook.....
    11-15-13 10:33 PM
  18. jhimmel's Avatar
    Have you tried deleting an app and then rebooting yet? Anything I delete magically reappears.
    That sounded a little scarey, so I tried it. No, nothing I deleted reappeared.
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    11-15-13 10:53 PM
  19. h20work's Avatar
    That sounded a little scarey, so I tried it. No, nothing I deleted reappeared.
    Thanks for checking, I've tired a bunch of times and they all come back.

    Bad news, security wipe and reload
    11-15-13 10:55 PM
  20. wgtcarlos's Avatar
    Thanks for checking, I've tired a bunch of times and they all come back.

    Bad news, security wipe and reload
    I don't know. Maybe you need to give it a little time after tapping the trash icon. I mean, this things aren't aways "instant" as the OS may require some time to effectively remove the app. I never saw that issue on mine btw :-) but I never delete and then restart right after either.

    Posted via CB10
    11-15-13 11:11 PM
  21. playbookster's Avatar
    The app gap is not gone till 10.2.1 hits us officially... it might be gone for those on leaks but for the others it will not.

    Posted via CB10
    well yeah, but you know its coming.
    11-15-13 11:22 PM
  22. playbookster's Avatar
    I think people are making this more complicated than it really is.

    The legit 3rd party app stores (Amazon, 1mobile, MANY others) are there to sell apps for Android devices that aren't authorized for Google Play. By being able to install/run unmodified APKs, that's what BB10 is becoming with 10.2.1. There isn't anything shady about this.

    The leak allows for APK installs that are as quick as native ones from BlackBerry World. You can quibble over how valuable that is, but I can tell you that as someone who prefers the BB10 OS and just wants to fill a few annoying gaps, I'll take this happily.

    Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30
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    11-15-13 11:24 PM
  23. diegonei's Avatar
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but I guess it is good to (re)affirm:

    There is a way to sign into Google Services.

    Posted via CB10
    11-15-13 11:29 PM
  24. cckgz4's Avatar
    I think this is GREAT progress, and if I was on the platform, I would be very happy about this news. But it's not a realistic view to think this makes a convenience for the average user.
    11-16-13 01:03 AM
  25. Meaty123's Avatar
    Downloading apk then installing it is simple enough .. Some people will definitely complain that you have to find the file and install it as suppose to one click download+install in the app world .... I guess no one uses a computer anymore ...
    I still wanna complain to some of the "name apps" out there. Why haven't they build native app for bb10 yet or at least start working on it ...
    11-16-13 01:13 AM
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