[Thunderbuck]

Android phone eh? Google is android and they are one of the biggest company's that gives information to NSA I don't trust it

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You bring up an interesting point. Google's data gathering is mostly through Google Play Services, it's own customization of its own operating system. I don't THINK Google gathers a lot of data from "plain-vanilla" Android, which is what Blackphone is based on.

[slagman5]

You bring up an interesting point. Google's data gathering is mostly through Google Play Services, it's own customization of its own operating system. I don't THINK Google gathers a lot of data from "plain-vanilla" Android, which is what Blackphone is based on.

Well, it's pretty much known that the NSA tampered with their Chrome OS, and it was allowed by Google, so I would say it's pretty likely Android was handed to them as well, we just haven't discovered that yet...

[Evilguppy]

Android is the NSA's b#tch, I would never trust them to make a so called unhackable device.

[crazigee]

Android is the NSA's b#tch, I would never trust them to make a so called unhackable device.

I think that might be taking it a step too far. I agree that Android isn't nearly as secure as it could be, or as secure as BlackBerry, but I don't think they are in cahoots with the NSA.

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[slagman5]

I think that might be taking it a step too far. I agree that Android isn't nearly as secure as it could be, or as secure as BlackBerry, but I don't think they are in cahoots with the NSA.

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Really? I guess you forgot about the leaked documents that proved Google was allowing the NSA a "backdoor" access to their resources. We don't yet know if it was just their email, Chrome OS, Android, or any combination of the three... Funny because when the documents leaked, the NSA admitted the existence of the program but Google continued to deny it... Yep, we can trust them, they are out for our benefit. If you believe that, you probably fall for promises made by politicians...

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[crazigee]

Really? I guess you forgot about the leaked documents that proved Google was allowing the NSA a "backdoor" access to their resources. We don't yet know if it was just their email, Chrome OS, Android, or any combination of the three... Funny because when the documents leaked, the NSA admitted the existence of the program but Google continued to deny it... Yep, we can trust them, they are out for our benefit. If you believe that, you probably fall for promises made by politicians...

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I doubt the NSA is highly interested in my online activities one way or the other. Whether that be watching YouPorn or my emails to my parents.

I sort of think they are more looking for terrorists and spies.

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[slagman5]

I doubt the NSA is highly interested in my online activities one way or the other. Whether that be watching YouPorn or my emails to my parents.

I sort of think they are more looking for terrorists and spies.

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Good mindset. That's how we keep the government in check. "If you got nothing to hide, who cares?" I guess the words precedent or slippery slope mean nothing then? And are you sure they are only limiting it to that? I'm sure the IRS auditing individuals who publicly disagrees with the president is all a coincidence too huh? None of these things throw any red flags for anyone? I'm pretty surprised at how "meh" people are at these things now. Have we not learned anything from history? Or are we really so sure of ourselves that we are simply too smart or advanced for history to repeat itself with us?

Oh well, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure I'm just "paranoid"...

[Dave Bourque]

I doubt the NSA is highly interested in my online activities one way or the other. Whether that be watching YouPorn or my emails to my parents.

I sort of think they are more looking for terrorists and spies.

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Terrorists hiding in Xbox live and world of warcraft rofl...

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[slagman5]

Terrorists hiding in Xbox live and world of warcraft rofl...

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LMAO, yep...

[crazigee]

Terrorists hiding in Xbox live and world of warcraft rofl...

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I don't play Xbox or any other video games, so I guess I'm ok.

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[slagman5]

I don't play Xbox or any other video games, so I guess I'm ok.

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Or use any google services, or text on your cell phone, or talk on your cell phone, or talk on your home phone, or send emails... Don't worry though, "if you have nothing to hide, it's ok to let the government do anything."

[crazigee]

Or use any google services, or text on your cell phone, or talk on your cell phone, or talk on your home phone, or send emails... Don't worry though, "if you have nothing to hide, it's ok to let the government do anything."

Actually, that is my mind set. Sort of:

I do totally understand what you're saying. And you have a point regarding the slippery slope. And I don't think that your concern is unjustified at all.

I guess my personal view is that I'm willing to give up a bit of person freedom and privacy IF it means that the government is better able to detect and prevent terrorism. But, my willingness to allow government snooping only extents to national security, not other things

So for example, in Canada the government is currently debating a bill that would allow ISPs to give my Internet data to private businesses for the purposes of determining if I'm using torrents to download Captain America. This company could then sue me for copyright violation. That's not acceptable. Copyright violation isn't a matter of national security. In fact isn't even a criminal offense and they should not have access to my private data for the purposes of pursuing a tort claim in civil court.

The same bill would allow Police, and ANY "public Officer" such as a mayor, to get my internet usage, without a warrant, do investigate domestic offenses. Again not acceptable in my view. National security and terrorism only.

So I agree with you on the slippery slope. I was ok with them snooping after 9/11 for terrorism reason, but now that's being extended to other things and that I'm not okay with at all.

Just my personal view, about the amount of freedom I'm willing to give up. And I totally understand that will be different for each person and I can respect that.

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[Dave Bourque]

Yes the NSA did such a good job at catching the Boston bombing terrorists. If they are going to mass collect atleast produce results... otherwise don't do it....

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[crazigee]

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You're right that it is a sensitive topic, and can degrade quickly. However, in think so far everyone has been pretty good about expressing their views without making it personal or bashing.

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[crazigee]

Yes the NSA did such a good job at catching the Boston bombing terrorists. If they are going to mass collect atleast produce results... otherwise don't do it....

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This is true, the Boston bombing wasn't prevented. However, I don't think any of us know how many attacks have been prevented due to internet snooping.

Again, just my opinion.

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[Dave Bourque]

This is true, the Boston bombing wasn't prevented. However, I don't think any of us know how many attacks have been prevented due to internet snooping.

Again, just my opinion.

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And it was revealed that they didn't prevent a single attack since with this mass gathering of info.

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[crazigee]

And it was revealed that they didn't prevent a single attack since with this mass gathering of info.

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Interesting. I didn't see that in the news. Can you share the source? (I'm not being as a**, I'm seriously asking.)

Even if that is true it doesn't mean they wouldn't in the future as the monitoring technology improves.

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[slagman5]

Actually, that is my mind set. Sort of:

I do totally understand what you're saying. And you have a point regarding the slippery slope. And I don't think that your concern is unjustified at all.

I guess my personal view is that I'm willing to give up a bit of person freedom and privacy IF it means that the government is better able to detect and prevent terrorism. But, my willingness to allow government snooping only extents to national security, not other things

So for example, in Canada the government is currently debating a bill that would allow ISPs to give my Internet data to private businesses for the purposes of determining if I'm using torrents to download Captain America. This company could then sue me for copyright violation. That's not acceptable. Copyright violation isn't a matter of national security. In fact isn't even a criminal offense and they should not have access to my private data for the purposes of pursuing a tort claim in civil court.

The same bill would allow Police, and ANY "public Officer" such as a mayor, to get my internet usage, without a warrant, do investigate domestic offenses. Again not acceptable in my view. National security and terrorism only.

So I agree with you on the slippery slope. I was ok with them snooping after 9/11 for terrorism reason, but now that's being extended to other things and that I'm not okay with at all.

Just my personal view, about the amount of freedom I'm willing to give up. And I totally understand that will be different for each person and I can respect that.

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Ah, yep, we are kind of on the same page. If you look at it in a vacuum, I have no problem giving the government more power to fight terrorism, but unfortunately that's not how it always goes down in the real world. Give the government that power, and even if you trust the current people in power, perhaps the next group might not be so trustworthy. All you need is one corrupt politician to take advantage of the loopholes allowed in the law and then we have a huge problem. So despite anyone's opinions politically, giving up our privacy could potentially be a very dangerous thing... And I'm a very security-minded individual, very pro taking the fight to the terrorists, but I can't let that gung-ho blind me from the dangers of giving up our personal privacy.

So it's kind of a fine line you have to tread, security/privacy...

[crazigee]

Ah, yep, we are kind of on the same page. If you look at it in a vacuum, I have no problem giving the government more power to fight terrorism, but unfortunately that's not how it always goes down in the real world. Give the government that power, and even if you trust the current people in power, perhaps the next group might not be so trustworthy. All you need is one corrupt politician to take advantage of the loopholes allowed in the law and then we have a huge problem. So despite anyone's opinions politically, giving up our privacy could potentially be a very dangerous thing... And I'm a very security-minded individual, very pro taking the fight to the terrorists, but I can't let that gung-ho blind me from the dangers of giving up our personal privacy.

So it's kind of a fine line you have to tread, security/privacy...

It's a very fine line for sure.

The expression "Give an inch..." comes to mind.

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[slagman5]

This is true, the Boston bombing wasn't prevented. However, I don't think any of us know how many attacks have been prevented due to internet snooping.

Again, just my opinion.

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I'd hate to go into this because it might be interpreted as political, but it's just a general statement of the government regardless of what political party is in power, but even with all of this privacy we're giving up, our government has been terrible lately at preventing attacks. We got lucky a few times, like the bomb that was a dud in Time Square, the government got there WAY too late, if it wasn't a dud, a lot of people would have died. Same with the shoe bomber in the airplane, pretty much, we haven't "prevented" a single attack, we got lucky a few times and a few times we weren't so lucky...

[slagman5]

Interesting. I didn't see that in the news. Can you share the source? (I'm not being as a**, I'm seriously asking.)

Even if that is true it doesn't mean they wouldn't in the future as the monitoring technology improves.

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The news is currently on the side of the current administration so they wouldn't report on anything that would show them in a negative light. I'm sure you didn't hear about the government using the IRS against people who are vocally against the government either but it's happening... I'll look for the source later, am at work right now, kind of sneaking CB by under the radar, lol.

[crazigee]

The news is currently on the side of the current administration so they wouldn't report on anything that would show them in a negative light. I'm sure you didn't hear about the government using the IRS against people who are vocally against the government either but it's happening... I'll look for the source later, am at work right now, kind of sneaking CB by under the radar, lol.

That I did hear about. And the oddly convenient loss of the emails that would or might have confirmed it.

Don't get caught on the CB. Lol

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[slagman5]

That I did hear about. And the oddly convenient loss of the emails that would or might have confirmed it.

Don't get caught on the CB. Lol

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Yah, I know, I am a computer geek, build and fix computers for friends and family all of the time. Even if a harddrive crashes, you can recover most, if not all, of the data. The only way for the data to be non-recoverable is if they wrote over all of it, which is a very intentional thing... Anyway, don't want to venture too far into politics, but we simply can't just "trust" the government unfortunately...

[crazigee]

Yah, I know, I am a computer geek, build and fix computers for friends and family all of the time. Even if a harddrive crashes, you can recover most, if not all, of the data. The only way for the data to be non-recoverable is if they wrote over all of it, which is a very intentional thing... Anyway, don't want to venture too far into politics, but we simply can't just "trust" the government unfortunately...

Agreed.

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