Serious question for those who want all-touch 'BlackBerry' Android
- Well even if that was true, and BlackBerry hardware was not more durable, I would be happy to support such an iconic company and not be exactly like everyone else. Besides, the logo is cool.
BB, Still the Onej21jam6 and Carl Estes like this.06-08-16 01:54 PMLike 2 - Well, that plus the BlackBerry-hardened MM OS and the optimised BlackBerry apps.
The hardware of the Idol 4 seems to have some positive reviews. This is the only way I see that BlackBerry can get the price down enough to make it remotely viable. They would never hit a low enough price point with a limited, custom production run.06-08-16 01:54 PMLike 0 - 06-08-16 02:00 PMLike 4
- Personally, I would just like a reasonably responsive phone with the same speed, simplicity and efficiency as my Z10. It really all comes down to the functionality of the hub and file management together with the VKB quality of BB10.
My requirements for the hardware platform are pretty easy to meet:
1) Good reception
2) USB OtG
3) SFD slot
4) Current standard for decent processor and memory
5) Decent camera
6) FM radio a nice extra
7) Hardware Root of Trust
I have no interest in a high end phone. For me, it's just a tool for getting work done when I'm away from my desk.
Posted via CB10anon(9353145) likes this.06-08-16 02:05 PMLike 1 - Have BlackBerry ever released any evidence that proves their version of Android is hardened, and DTEK doesn't count. I mean what does it have that I couldn't get on an Android phone with something like McAfee security installed?06-08-16 03:39 PMLike 0
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- Verified Boot and Secure Bootchain, which uses the embedded keys to verify every layer of the device from hardware to OS to applications in order to make sure they haven�t been tampered with.
- A hardened Linux kernel with numerous patches and configuration changes to improve security.
You can say what you want about DTEK, but I think it's very useful - particularly with MM.
Picture password is very effective too, backed up by a PIN that protects the boot sequence.
PLUS monthly security updates that rival Nexus.Last edited by conite; 06-08-16 at 04:00 PM.
06-08-16 03:47 PMLike 7 - 06-08-16 04:01 PMLike 0
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� There's a Crack in the Berry right now... �06-08-16 05:06 PMLike 0 - Not necessarily. Each manufacturer has their own strengths to differentiate themselves from the competition. They kinda have to in this market. BlackBerry would just have to come up with a feature set (IMHO the hub wouldn't be enough) to get the public's attention.jaydee5799 and Blacklatino like this.06-08-16 05:13 PMLike 2
- - BlackBerry's Hardware Root of Trust, a unique manufacturing process that injects cryptographic keys into the device hardware, providing a secure foundation for the entire platform.
- Verified Boot and Secure Bootchain, which uses the embedded keys to verify every layer of the device from hardware to OS to applications in order to make sure they haven’t been tampered with.
- A hardened Linux kernel with numerous patches and configuration changes to improve security.
You can say what you want about DTEK, but I think it's very useful - particularly with MM.
Picture password is very effective too, backed up by a PIN that protects the boot sequence.
PLUS monthly security updates that rival Nexus.
I was told elsewhere on here that other versions of Android have similar features. I'm also dubious about the 'security hardened' Linux kernel, sounds like SELinux which is definitely not something BlackBerry created.06-08-16 05:54 PMLike 0 - Not necessarily. Each manufacturer has their own strengths to differentiate themselves from the competition. They kinda have to in this market. BlackBerry would just have to come up with a feature set (IMHO the hub wouldn't be enough) to get the public's attention.
Now they need to sell the security touted in post #7 to enterprise/BYOD at a reasonable price (which they can't do themselves with their lack of buying power).pantlesspenguin likes this.06-08-16 05:54 PMLike 1 - 06-08-16 06:11 PMLike 0
- The two key selling points that BB needs are:
Excellent camera
Fast processor
If their next phone is lacking, well.... it will rightly fall to the bottom of the Android pile.06-08-16 07:26 PMLike 0 -
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Posted via CB1006-08-16 08:27 PMLike 0 - https://help.blackberry.com/en/secur...y-Guide-en.pdf For everyone that keeps asking but not understanding.06-08-16 09:49 PMLike 0
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You can't keep spending hundreds of millions of dollars of savings, and make no profit (read: they continue to have quarterly losses) and maintain the amount of savings. Numbers just don't work that way.
I think people simply don't grasp the financial situation BB is in. They see a "big-to-them" number of "cash & equivalents" and don't bother to factor in debts or on-going losses. It's even crazier when they opine that BB should "make BB10 a loss leader" or "make devices no matter what they cost" and then "sell them cheap so people will buy them." BB is simply in no position to do any of that.06-08-16 10:23 PMLike 2 - No, they have about $2B, and they owe Fairfax $1.25B plus interest for their loan.
You can't keep spending hundreds of millions of dollars of savings, and make no profit (read: they continue to have quarterly losses) and maintain the amount of savings. Numbers just don't work that way.
I think people simply don't grasp the financial situation BB is in. They see a "big-to-them" number of "cash & equivalents" and don't bother to factor in debts or on-going losses. It's even crazier when they opine that BB should "make BB10 a loss leader" or "make devices no matter what they cost" and then "sell them cheap so people will buy them." BB is simply in no position to do any of that.
They are screwed either way.
Oh, and that first post sure was mighty passive-aggressive.
Posted via CB10Jerry A likes this.06-08-16 10:38 PMLike 1 - No, they have about $2B, and they owe Fairfax $1.25B plus interest for their loan.
You can't keep spending hundreds of millions of dollars of savings, and make no profit (read: they continue to have quarterly losses) and maintain the amount of savings. Numbers just don't work that way.
I think people simply don't grasp the financial situation BB is in. They see a "big-to-them" number of "cash & equivalents" and don't bother to factor in debts or on-going losses. It's even crazier when they opine that BB should "make BB10 a loss leader" or "make devices no matter what they cost" and then "sell them cheap so people will buy them." BB is simply in no position to do any of that.
It made absolutely zero sense two years ago and it continues to make zero sense, as Priv sales are proving, for BlackBerry to sell an android device.
If they don't want to put a real effort to market and develop their own OS and phone, they should just get out of this market with dignity.
Unfortunately, that is already too late.06-09-16 12:33 AMLike 0 - https://help.blackberry.com/en/secur...y-Guide-en.pdf For everyone that keeps asking but not understanding.
Too vague.
Do other companies not use a 'more secure' version of Android too? Is it the same one that BlackBerry uses?
Or are BlackBerry claiming to have injected proprietary code into open-source Android, that nobody else - even Google - can see or use?jaydee5799 likes this.06-09-16 05:48 AMLike 1 - Personally, I would just like a reasonably responsive phone with the same speed, simplicity and efficiency as my Z10. It really all comes down to the functionality of the hub and file management together with the VKB quality of BB10.
My requirements for the hardware platform are pretty easy to meet:
1) Good reception
2) USB OtG
3) SFD slot
4) Current standard for decent processor and memory
5) Decent camera
6) FM radio a nice extra
7) Hardware Root of Trust
I have no interest in a high end phone. For me, it's just a tool for getting work done when I'm away from my desk.
Posted via CB10
I would definitely buy a BlackBerry with a Nexus as second choice.idssteve likes this.06-09-16 09:22 AMLike 1
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