1. habs_fan's Avatar
    iOS still tops Canadian mobile charts, BlackBerry grew in 2011: Statcounter | MobileSyrup.com

    "Based on some of the information we gleaned from the Pingdom worldwide statistics this morning, we discovered the source of its information: Statcounter. And while there, we decided to take a look at the current state of affairs in Canada. Now, this may not gel so well with some of the other analytics companies, Comscore and such, but it�s an interesting cross-section of the current state of affairs in the Canadian mobile market as of December 2011.

    According to the charts, iOS still rules the roost with over 49% of market share, but that has been steadily dropping this year from a peak of 68% in March, though it regained from its lowest point of 38% in June. Such peaks and valleys in so short a period likely means that the polling size is rather small (minute, even) so we�ll take these numbers with a grain of salt.

    RIM�s BlackBerry OS seems to have grown from 8% in January to just over 30% in December, while Android has grown from 7% at the beginning of the year just over 16% today.

    The interesting spike and subsequent dip in Symbian OS is a bit confusing, but there have been some low-cost Nokia offerings launched by WIND and Mobilicity this year, but it wouldn�t have likely accounted for a 26% spike between March and June.

    Nevertheless, if we look at the graph in relation to the other operating systems, it doesn�t look the same as the one we showed you this morning. iOS dominates the Canadian market, while RIM has grown quite comfortably in 2011, especially since the launch of its BlackBerry 7 devices. And while Android has gained significant market share across the world, its growth is rather more tepid here."
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    12-30-11 05:50 PM
  2. bbmme's Avatar
    Go canada!!
    12-30-11 07:02 PM
  3. 1812dave's Avatar
    ah, is this a case of "figures lie"?
    12-30-11 07:41 PM
  4. MobilePhanatic's Avatar
    So Canada will save RIM? Awesome
    12-30-11 07:51 PM
  5. the_sleuth's Avatar
    Funny. Nokia with all it's problems this year, still rules globally.

    12-30-11 08:23 PM
  6. howarmat's Avatar
    ^^remember this is flip/feature phone too not just smartphone i think
    12-30-11 08:27 PM
  7. Economist101's Avatar
    Funny. Nokia with all it's problems this year, still rules globally.
    Whereby "rules" you mean "sold 100+ million devices in a single quarter yet lost money."

    Nokia Earnings Dip, With Windows Phone Test Still to Come - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com

    "On Oct. 20, Nokia reported third-quarter net sales of $12.3 billion, a year-over-year decline of 13 percent, with operating losses of $98.4 million. It sold 16.8 million "smart devices" and 89.9 million mobile phones, the latter apparently somewhat above most analysts' expectations."
    12-30-11 08:30 PM
  8. the_sleuth's Avatar
    The chart does not lie. Yes there are different versions of Symbian OS as there are different versions of Android. It appears Android's gains are all at the expense of BB OS is all I am getting at here.
    Last edited by the_sleuth; 12-30-11 at 08:34 PM.
    12-30-11 08:32 PM
  9. the_sleuth's Avatar
    Ah yes, Economist has come to snipe.

    Market share does not equal profits. Just ask Microsoft how profitable it's Xbox franchise has been the last decade? Or why Motorola or HTC have struggled with profitability this year.

    Whereby "rules" you mean "sold 100+ million devices in a single quarter yet lost money."

    Nokia Earnings Dip, With Windows Phone Test Still to Come - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com

    "On Oct. 20, Nokia reported third-quarter net sales of $12.3 billion, a year-over-year decline of 13 percent, with operating losses of $98.4 million. It sold 16.8 million "smart devices" and 89.9 million mobile phones, the latter apparently somewhat above most analysts' expectations."
    12-30-11 08:41 PM
  10. palmless's Avatar
    ah, is this a case of "figures lie"?
    You mean:

    "Is this a case of 'figures lie', eh?"
    12-30-11 09:42 PM
  11. Economist101's Avatar
    Ah yes, Economist has come to snipe.
    I'm here to help. By the way, you should consider offering arguments that are supported by sound reasoning and facts. Those are much harder to "snipe."

    Market share does not equal profits.
    That was the point of my comment. Yes, Nokia "rules" in terms of overall phone market share, but since market share is meaningless without profit, what exactly is Nokia ruling?

    Just ask Microsoft how profitable it's Xbox franchise has been the last decade?
    Not very profitable at all, which is why it's good the Xbox isn't Microsoft's core business, and also why Microsoft isn't analogous to Nokia. Unlike Microsoft, which is involved in several different business (operating systems, productivity software, video games), Nokia is a hardware company; as hardware revenues go, so goes the company. Wait! That sounds familiar.
    12-30-11 10:49 PM
  12. the_sleuth's Avatar
    Economist, have you become a cross-eyed old nanny. Look at the above chart again. Nokia's Symbian still has the largest Mobile OS market share . That's just the "facts" ma'am.

    my original post did not mention anything about profitability, you just jump from thread to thread to troll with no value-add, you are an externality like pollution (did you attend that economics lecture?)
    Last edited by the_sleuth; 12-30-11 at 11:39 PM.
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    12-30-11 11:21 PM
  13. 1812dave's Avatar
    You mean:

    "Is this a case of 'figures lie', eh?"
    No...actually I meant what I wrote. Fair enough?
    12-31-11 12:30 AM
  14. HershL's Avatar
    Two VERY different graphical representations of what is going on...
    12-31-11 06:56 AM
  15. palmless's Avatar
    Economist, have you become a cross-eyed old nanny. Look at the above chart again. Nokia's Symbian still has the largest Mobile OS market share . That's just the "facts" ma'am.
    It's a fraction of the facts.

    Nokia has top market share, but to hold it, they are pumping out a large quantity of bottom-feeder phones at an overall LOSS to keep their fixed costs close to covered.

    To a rank amateur, they "rule". Whoo hoo, we're number one. To a business person they are obviously in a lot of trouble... they can't increase volume, there are only so many impoverished third worlders who want a $25 phone. They can't decreases costs, they already have the BOM hammered down as low as corner-cutting and volume can take it. It is simply a matter of how long can they sustain losses, and the answer is always "not very long".

    And it's not as if they are building a loyal customer base, consuming high profit after the sale products and services, or eager to upgrade loyally within the Nokia family. They are buying $2 Chinese chargers and earbuds, and long for they day they can afford something other than a Nokia.

    If the fraction of the facts you posted (the chart) was supported by strong profits, then Nokia would have mastered the commodity approach to phone sales. That is not the case. They are in the "We can stay alive until the sales stutter or we run out of cash" death spiral.

    This is the flaw in the "RIM is doing great in Nigeria and Oman" argument.

    Keep in mind, without a passionate love for one platform or another, this is just another business. You open a book and read how it turned out every single time this game has been played in other industries, and history and common sense say it will turn out the same way again.
    12-31-11 07:36 AM
  16. the_sleuth's Avatar
    Palmless have you become anal retentive. The "still rule globally" was a cheeky comment. Did you miss the word "Funny" at the beginning of my comment? What the Symbian OS market share represents is an opportunity for all players to capture from Nokia. Most of it will probably go to Android and some to RIM's Curve line. Outside of N.A. market the iPhone line is very costly--high-end line. Nevertheless, Apple will get it's fair share. Not sure where this puts Nokia, as it's current new phones appear to be landing flat:

    [HTML]http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/12/17/survey-so-far-europe-shuns-nokias-lumia/[/HTML]

    As I stated on another thread. In the not-to-distant-future, all phones will be smartphones.
    12-31-11 09:08 AM
  17. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    Wow, are people touchy here or what?

    The OP's point was simple: RIM has grown considerably in Canada over the past year. Canada's not exactly the world's biggest market, but it's a significant one and I'm sure RIM will take whatever good news it can get these days.

    No, market share isn't everything, though it's worth noting here that when an Blackberry is activated, that isn't the end of RIM's revenue stream on that phone; they continue to get a BIS subscription fee from the carrier.

    And, yes, it IS significant to see that Nokia still maintains that much share of the market, but as Economist pointed out, they're sustaining heavy losses to do so. In Nokia's case, it's a "circling the drain" scenario unless something big happens to knock them back into positive cash flow.

    RIM, on the other hand, is actually still profitable. However crappy their current situation is, they have a lot more breathing room.
    12-31-11 05:04 PM
  18. the_sleuth's Avatar
    Yes, RIM and Nokia will muddle along. Nokia does have positive cashflow of EUR 503 and it's cash increased from $5.46 Billion to $8.43 Billion:

    Nokia to publish third quarter 2011 results on October 20, 2011 � Nokia – Press

    Not signs of a dying company. RIM's cash flow was $895 million in the last quarter. Also not a sign of a dying company. Both will live to fight through 2012. Nevertheless, both have to offer new compelling products or eventually become walking zombies. I am cheering for both as it means more consumer choice. The Google / Apple axis only would not be good for consumer choice. An oligopoly is never good for consumers.
    12-31-11 05:55 PM
  19. Blackberry_boffin's Avatar
    Funny. Nokia with all it's problems this year, still rules globally.

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    funny how figures for jan to dec were already available when the year ended yesterday.
    01-01-12 05:02 PM
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