RIM must hand over BES interception keys by Aug. 15th
- Hand over interception keys by August 15: Govt to RIM
Kalyan Parbat, ET Bureau Jul 8, 2011, 07.37am IST
KOLKATA: The government has set an August 15 deadline for Canada's Research In Motion to provide the country's intelligence agencies with the interception keys to enable real-time tracking of its popular BlackBerry messenger and corporate email services in readable format. The ultimatum comes after recent talks between the government and RIM over a satisfactory interception solution proved inconclusive.
Ongoing talks have failed to throw up a solution for interception of Blackberry messenger, chat and corporate email services. "Since RIM had missed its earlier May 15, 2011 deadline, the company has been told to come up with an interception solution by August 15, failing which the government may have to consider suspension of the service," a top official privy to the talks said.
In response to ET's email query on the August 15 deadline, a RIM spokesman said: "Further to your query regarding Black-Berry's messenger and internet services, RIM has nothing further to add to its statement of January 13, 2011." In January, RIM had claimed it had delivered a solution that would enable India's wireless carriers to address lawful access requirements for its customer messaging services like BlackBerry Messenger and BlackBerry Internet Service email.
Hand over interception keys by August 15: Govt to RIM - Economic Times07-10-11 08:55 PMLike 0 - Which Govt..?
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Nvm. Doesn't change how dumb this is.
Not the post itself. I meant how dumb the fact that they are doing this is.
Illegal development probably helps their economy a lot!
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07-10-11 08:59 PMLike 0 - Hand over interception keys by August 15: Govt to RIM
Kalyan Parbat, ET Bureau Jul 8, 2011, 07.37am IST
KOLKATA: The government has set an August 15 deadline for Canada's Research In Motion to provide the country's intelligence agencies with the interception keys to enable real-time tracking of its popular BlackBerry messenger and corporate email services in readable format. The ultimatum comes after recent talks between the government and RIM over a satisfactory interception solution proved inconclusive.
Ongoing talks have failed to throw up a solution for interception of Blackberry messenger, chat and corporate email services. "Since RIM had missed its earlier May 15, 2011 deadline, the company has been told to come up with an interception solution by August 15, failing which the government may have to consider suspension of the service," a top official privy to the talks said.
In response to ET's email query on the August 15 deadline, a RIM spokesman said: "Further to your query regarding Black-Berry's messenger and internet services, RIM has nothing further to add to its statement of January 13, 2011." In January, RIM had claimed it had delivered a solution that would enable India's wireless carriers to address lawful access requirements for its customer messaging services like BlackBerry Messenger and BlackBerry Internet Service email.
Hand over interception keys by August 15: Govt to RIM - Economic Times
I was under the impression RIM already was setting up NOC's in India which was helping them meet the requirements of the May 15th deadline,
AND I though India was limiting who can install a BES they had to meet certain criteria.
I'll keep my eye how this pans out for sure07-10-11 09:00 PMLike 0 - Reed McLayRetired ModeratorOngoing talks have failed to throw up a solution for interception of Blackberry messenger, chat and corporate email services. ...
India has World Class university computer science programs. I find it incredible, that the Home Minister Advisors can not help him understand, it can not be done.07-11-11 02:16 AMLike 0 -
Just because India is asking it openly doesn't make it a bad nation. I think US has a similar law the Patriot law or something, where any information of any person can be obtained from any operators.
India is a target of many terrorist attack and most of them use RIM services to communicate, so it is more important for India to have these type of deal with RIM.
If RIM doesn't accept these deals then they can...from India.
It will be RIM loss to lose Indian market and not the other way around.
I thought Canada government is...as Indian government is when you think Canada is still ruled by the Queen.K Bear likes this.07-11-11 02:17 AMLike 1 - Reed McLayRetired ModeratorOriginally Posted by Kaps2k6;6473379...Canada is still ruled by the Queen.
/PoliticsKAPS likes this.07-11-11 02:24 AMLike 1 - I just find it laughable for India to take this stance. There are no encryption keys! Servers would have to be set up in India for them to be able to monitor BB Traffic.... So what exactly is India asking of RIM?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-11-11 02:31 AMLike 0 - The Indian government wants the same type of deal,which RIM is providing to US and other developed nation.
Just because India is asking it openly doesn't make it a bad nation. I think US has a similar law the Patriot law or something, where any information of any person can be obtained from any operators.
India is a target of many terrorist attack and most of them use RIM services to communicate, so it is more important for India to have these type of deal with RIM.
If RIM doesn't accept these deals then they can...from India.
It will be RIM loss to lose Indian market and not the other way around.
I thought Canada government is...as Indian government is when you think Canada is still ruled by the Queen.
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RIM should only work in Canada as that the only place RIM is respected.
Btw your logic has some serious flaws, The key may be of the BES owner but the product is of RIM so it is RIM responsibility to corporate with the Government and not the owners.07-11-11 09:52 AMLike 0 - Reed McLayRetired ModeratorYeah Right...India,...US,... UAE, ... each and every place where RIM sucks.
RIM should only work in Canada as that the only place RIM is respected.
Btw your logic has some serious flaws, The key may be of the BES owner but the product is of RIM so it is RIM responsibility to corporate with the Government and not the owners.
The Advanced Encryption Standard is fully documented and the result has been subject to rigorous testing and scrutiny. The algorithm is published for all the World to see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance...ption_Standard
In cryptography, the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) is a symmetric-key encryption standard adopted by the U.S. government. The standard comprises three block ciphers, AES-128, AES-192 and AES-256, adopted from a larger collection originally published as Rijndael. Each of these ciphers has a 128-bit block size, with key sizes of 128, 192 and 256 bits, respectively. The AES ciphers have been analyzed extensively and are now used worldwide, as was the case with its predecessor,[3] the Data Encryption Standard (DES). ...
For cryptographers, a cryptographic "break" is anything faster than a brute force attack - trying every possible key. Thus, an attack against a 256-bit-key AES requiring 2200 operations (compared to 2256 possible keys) would be considered a break, even though 2200 operations would still take far longer than the age of the universe to complete. The largest successful publicly-known brute force attack against any block-cipher encryption has been against a 64-bit RC5 key by distributed.net. ...
The suggestion that other countries, United States or Russia or China perhaps, may have the ability to decrypt AES. That argument is speculation. The Goverment of the United States has acknowlaged that and has expressed similiar concerns in the past.
The fact is, AES can not be decrypted by any agency, now or in the foreseeable future.
07-11-11 11:30 AMLike 4 - The Indian government wants the same type of deal,which RIM is providing to US and other developed nation.
Just because India is asking it openly doesn't make it a bad nation. I think US has a similar law the Patriot law or something, where any information of any person can be obtained from any operators.
India is a target of many terrorist attack and most of them use RIM services to communicate, so it is more important for India to have these type of deal with RIM.
If RIM doesn't accept these deals then they can...from India.
It will be RIM loss to lose Indian market and not the other way around.
I thought Canada government is...as Indian government is when you think Canada is still ruled by the Queen.
IF there was a Backdoor, which is a VERY BIG IF, as per the posts above, I wouldn't want it to be in the hands of our moron politicians. Next thing you will know is that rival corporations are bribing low level officers to get information about their competitors.
There are enough laws in India which can be used to access the servers and networks of companies and even get access to phones and computers of individuals. Only problem with that is the govt official will have to show Just Cause and get a warrant from a court of law or through a parliament committee
The problem with providing the Indian govt with Remote Anonymous Access is that it will open a whole new can of worms. This smacks of a Big Brother operation and will definitely be used for unethical practices. Providing our fledgling and corruptible govt agencies with this power would not be a good idea. And let's not forget, it will allow Indian agencies access to BBM from all over the world. That would surely kill RIM's business model.
I have been following this story since it broke out last year and have been very impressed by how RIM is standing their ground even at the cost of losing a big and growing market.
By the way, my personal opinion (all speculation based on how our country runs and a few inputs), this is all showboating by the Indian Govt, since all the politicians use BBM to conclude their shady deals as they all know it can't be intercepted. Have a few friends in politics and they all get BB's just to talk to the "sensitive people".
And finally, the Indian Telegraph law with which the Indian govt wants RIM to comply with was drafted by the British in 1885 to keep the "locals" in check.
THE INDIAN TELEGRAPH ACT, 1885
Fuk!ng hilarious....
They need a completely new draft and make it as per the technologies available today and keeping in mind the rights of their citizens, not use a law drafted by the British to subjugate and control a population they ruled over.
No offense to the Brits. I would have done the same if I was in their position.Last edited by sam_b77; 07-11-11 at 12:12 PM.
Dapper37 likes this.07-11-11 12:09 PMLike 1 - BrantaRetired Network Mod
Having said that, the only traffic which is always fully protected by strong encryption is between the mobile device and the server. Even traffic which passes direct from one mobile to another hosted on the same server will be decrypted and re-encrypted with the key for the second device. As soon as traffic hits the server it must be decrypted, and depending on server policies logged.
The *only way* to get access to the encrypted traffic is via the server operator. Nothing else works. If the Government of India is too stupid to listen to their technical advisers that's their problem.07-11-11 12:24 PMLike 0 - This statement continues to demonstrate the root problem.
The Advanced Encryption Standard is fully documented and the result has been subject to rigorous testing and scrutiny. The algorithm is published for all the World to see.
Advanced Encryption Standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is no "backdoor" or global key. It can not be done, by design and implementation.
The suggestion that other countries, United States or Russia or China perhaps, may have the ability to decrypt AES. That argument is speculation. The Goverment of the United States has acknowlaged that and has expressed similiar concerns in the past.
The fact is, AES can not be decrypted by any agency, now or in the foreseeable future.
I don't think this is the whole story. I have friend at Microsoft whom specializes in email security. Microsoft has a set of tools to decrypt / recover email for clients using Outlook 2007/ 2010. Microsoft can decrypt its own security certificates for AES, DES and so forth. The link below has a list of encryption standards supported by Microsoft.
My point being if Microsoft has the tools so does RIM.
Plan cryptography and encryption settings for Office 201007-11-11 12:25 PMLike 0 - Yeah Right...India,...US,... UAE, ... each and every place where RIM sucks.
RIM should only work in Canada as that the only place RIM is respected.
Btw your logic has some serious flaws, The key may be of the BES owner but the product is of RIM so it is RIM responsibility to corporate with the Government and not the owners.
RIM can provide data that is encrypted and decrypted at the BIS because they do own and control those servers.07-11-11 01:37 PMLike 0 - I don't think this is the whole story. I have friend at Microsoft whom specializes in email security. Microsoft has a set of tools to decrypt / recover email for clients using Outlook 2007/ 2010. Microsoft can decrypt its own security certificates for AES, DES and so forth. The link below has a list of encryption standards supported by Microsoft.
My point being if Microsoft has the tools so does RIM.
Plan cryptography and encryption settings for Office 201007-11-11 01:40 PMLike 0 - The Indian government wants the same type of deal,which RIM is providing to US and other developed nation.
Just because India is asking it openly doesn't make it a bad nation. I think US has a similar law the Patriot law or something, where any information of any person can be obtained from any operators.
India is a target of many terrorist attack and most of them use RIM services to communicate, so it is more important for India to have these type of deal with RIM.
If RIM doesn't accept these deals then they can...from India.
It will be RIM loss to lose Indian market and not the other way around.
I thought Canada government is...as Indian government is when you think Canada is still ruled by the Queen.Last edited by sf49ers; 07-11-11 at 04:55 PM.
07-11-11 03:16 PMLike 0 - The Indian government wants the same type of deal,which RIM is providing to US and other developed nation.
Just because India is asking it openly doesn't make it a bad nation. I think US has a similar law the Patriot law or something, where any information of any person can be obtained from any operators.
India is a target of many terrorist attack and most of them use RIM services to communicate, so it is more important for India to have these type of deal with RIM.
If RIM doesn't accept these deals then they can...from India.
It will be RIM loss to lose Indian market and not the other way around.
I thought Canada government is...as Indian government is when you think Canada is still ruled by the Queen.
The Patriot Act's component to surveillance allowed for broader definitions when issuing a warrant, a controversial allowance but a not "secret made up backdoor to spy on everyone".
The UAE has accepted that the BES security is a requirement by many enterprises. They have set up laws that better manage who gets to install a BES, like a pre-screening process. A fair collaboration between RIM and the legitimate concerns of the government.
The Indian Government has always been shortsighted when it comes to technology as they have a billion other more pressing issues. This request is for them to set precedent and effectively kill encryption in the country simply because they do not want to invest in the channels and methods to do it right. Remember when they kicked Coca-Cola out for not handing over the recipe? It took them a while to figure out that companies have trade secrets.
Encryption technology is a global standard and will only get more secure, India needs a better strategy than having a hissy-fit every few years when somebody says no to its archaic policies. As a rapidly developing country with one of the fastest growing economies in the world, kicking out foreign investment is not in India's best interest and reflects poorly on them. And requiring insecure communication would just result in R&D, and other sensitive industries moving out. Leaving India as the world's call center.Dapper37 likes this.07-11-11 07:47 PMLike 1
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