1. JPMorgan_'s Avatar
    RIM could make comeback in connected car space

    RIM could make comeback in connected car space » telecoms.com – telecoms industry news, analysis and opinion

    There are great opportunities in the Machine to Machine sector, largely due to the sheer volume of devices expected to be connected to the Internet of Things. The Telematics market is the longest-standing and most mature part of the M2M industry and has been a test bed for the design of more robust, reliable and longer-lasting components.

    The fact that Google has just acquired the first-ever self-driving car licence should come as no surprise. Yet a surprise participant that could make a huge impact on the market is Canadian Blackberry maker RIM, which could see its software development offset poor performance in the handset and tablet space.

    RIM’s QNX platform is used in 60 per cent of cars currently on the road, the firm revealed at its BlackBerry World event earlier this month, and according to Jamie Moss, senior analyst at Informa Telecoms and Media, the firm already has the expertise required to develop a strong offering for the connected car market.

    “Many people look at operating systems such as iOS think of it as being far too closed so it will never move beyond Apple’s own products and with Android the concern is that it’s far too open, and it’s a bit too “fuzzy” to use in specific deployments – it is best as a general purpose operating system for phones or tablets,” he explains.

    “But RIM has the experience that is required to develop something for such a specific type of industry and such a specific type of product.”

    RIM’s role in the automobile space is not a well known one. Operating on a white label basis, the in-car computers are often not branded as RIM or Blackberry, but the QNX operating system is what the head unit in the majority of cars run on.

    “Drivers don’t know they’re driving a RIM device – QNX would have been commissioned by the individual car manufacturers for RIM to produce a version of the operating system that conformed to their particular requirements and allows the particular services that they wish to offer,” explains Moss. “It usually ends up being branded by the actual company vending to the consumer – so, typically the automobile OEM. They’d be oblivious to the fact that it’s QNX, let alone that RIM now owns QNX.”

    At CES this year, Mike Lazaridis said in what turned out to be his last keynote to analysts as RIM’s co-CEO that software development is the key for the firm. The BlackBerry maker has a built a huge hardware portfolio, but the margins on the hardware side have been suffering, while margins on the software side are very good, even if the software side accounts for a lower proportion of overall revenue.

    Operators too have not fully exploited the opportunities presented in the in-car market. Three’s CFO Richard Woodward told Telecoms.com that a negligible amount of revenue comes from M2M, but he expects it to grow in the future to a significant proportion.

    Despite the negligible revenues operators are currently seeing from M2M, they believe that M2M services will generate five per cent or more of their revenues by 2015, according to the recent Informa-SAP M2M Communications survey, which drew input from more than 260 M2M stakeholders in 50 countries.

    Given the strong ties that exist between mobile operators and RIM, it is quite plausible that RIM could recover from the torrid time it has of late by making a comeback in the car space.
    05-16-12 06:54 PM
  2. anthogag's Avatar
    Where specifically is QNX in cars, is it in embedded systems, is it controlling the car's gauges and sensors, does it control infotainment systems

    E.g. MyFord Touch was developed with Microsoft, each manufacturer has a their own implementation

    How would RIM use QNX in the car to sync with the driver
    05-16-12 07:55 PM
  3. bluetroll's Avatar
    it basically allows the car to be securely connected to 'the cloud'.

    the advantage of this is possible software updates automatically pushed down. automatically booking service appointments and updating your calendar. there's a whole lot of other things too, I just can't think of em right now.

    The QNX in cars is the MAIN system, it controls when your ABS kicks in, your airbags deploy... it's all the things that are critical to the car running.
    05-16-12 09:39 PM
  4. DeonADB's Avatar
    The QNX in cars is the MAIN system, it controls when your ABS kicks in, your airbags deploy... it's all the things that are critical to the car running.
    I did not know QNX did all that stuff


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    05-17-12 04:32 PM
  5. WinningWithLogic's Avatar
    The QNX in cars is the MAIN system, it controls when your ABS kicks in, your airbags deploy... it's all the things that are critical to the car running.
    That is a flat out lie. Within a car each of these functions is pretty much controlled by it's own independent ECU. The various ECU's typically talk to each other over the CAN bus. QNX is not involved here at all.

    Where the QNX Car Platform sits is really at the HMI/infotainment system level, specifically (and this is taken directly from the QNX website):

    Internet connectivity and browsing
    Bluetooth and hands-free calling
    rear-seat gaming and edutainment
    vehicle monitoring and virtual mechanic support
    media device connectivity
    navigation with Google maps and local search
    Pandora audio and streaming video
    05-17-12 04:50 PM
  6. anthogag's Avatar
    That is a flat out lie. Within a car each of these functions is pretty much controlled by it's own independent ECU. The various ECU's typically talk to each other over the CAN bus. QNX is not involved here at all.

    Where the QNX Car Platform sits is really at the HMI/infotainment system level, specifically (and this is taken directly from the QNX website):

    Internet connectivity and browsing
    Bluetooth and hands-free calling
    rear-seat gaming and edutainment
    vehicle monitoring and virtual mechanic support
    media device connectivity
    navigation with Google maps and local search
    Pandora audio and streaming video

    ECU is Engine Control Unit, there's only one in a car and it controls actuators

    Each one of the functions doesn't have it's own ECU...you're like really wrong
    05-17-12 06:32 PM
  7. koroshiyax's Avatar
    My 2012 BMW ConnectedDrive is QNX. It does almost everything WinningWithLogic posted above when connected to my BlackBerry.

    To be more specific, it relays phonebook, sms, e-mails to the screen and can optionally do facebook/twitter/etc... if you have the apps module+iphone lol. The vehicle monitoring is useful as it will list everything from oil level, breakpad thickness remaining (in km or miles, scheduled maintenance, speed alerts, alarm system settings, etc... For multimedia it can play CDs/USB/most digital audio formats, and has bluetooth DLNA.

    What is promising is this is still the legacy stuff that's been available for years, nothing related to the Playbook/Cascades era that you saw with the Porsche Connected. I'm looking forward to the next revisions.

    My car recently had a low battery charge, and BMW called me and said they received a remote notice from my car that my car was low on battery and needed to drive for a while, or plug it into my charger
    Last edited by koroshiyax; 05-17-12 at 06:40 PM.
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    05-17-12 06:36 PM
  8. WinningWithLogic's Avatar
    ECU is Engine Control Unit, there's only one in a car and it controls actuators

    Each one of the functions doesn't have it's own ECU...you're like really wrong
    More fail on CrackBerry.

    ECU = electronic control unit.
    05-17-12 09:41 PM
  9. tchocky77's Avatar
    More fail on CrackBerry.

    ECU = electronic control unit.
    It runs thick and deep sometimes.
    05-17-12 10:19 PM
  10. anthogag's Avatar
    More fail on CrackBerry.

    ECU = electronic control unit.

    Ask a mechanic what a ECU is and you'll probably get the answer Engine Control Unit...

    In this case it also means Electronic Control Unit
    05-17-12 10:43 PM
  11. anthogag's Avatar
    It runs thick and deep sometimes.

    What...are you a lackey
    05-17-12 10:45 PM
  12. tchocky77's Avatar
    More a lickspittle.
    05-17-12 11:37 PM
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