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  1. crescent's Avatar
    Here is the deal, as a long term 'hard core techy' I have always turned to open source or "free" solutions to apps I feel should simply be available, call it an extremist freedom of information act. I just noticed this podcast aggregator on the blogs and its 9.99, really? You feel the need to charge the general public simply to acquire feeds of audio which most likely costs even more money? I commented a while back on a post which made the accusation (valid or not) of the poor being ugly and dumb. I refuse to believe this. Call me a ****** but start developing apps for the benefit of humanity and if you need money take the google approach (minus the cia/mit) and run advertisements. You are a worthless pos who should've noticed the drastic influx of people into the IT field thus flooding it and making you, repeatedly, worthless. Have a good day and I hope you run vista dual boot with ubuntu.

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    Last edited by Crucial_Xtreme; 12-23-08 at 02:00 PM.
    12-23-08 01:30 AM
  2. crescent's Avatar
    Oh and the point was if you think berry/winmo/iphone has a chance against android after massive immaculate conception/reception/acception you're dead wrong. IMO. Talk amongst yourselves. happy holidays!

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    12-23-08 01:38 AM
  3. CipherDias's Avatar
    Hmm I am wondering how one profanity got thru the profanity filter....
    12-23-08 06:00 AM
  4. TonyChaos's Avatar
    Haha yikes dude.
    Chill.

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    12-23-08 09:48 AM
  5. knob2040's Avatar
    Must be another one of those internet tough guys.... Someone pooped in someones coco puffs.

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    12-23-08 11:42 AM
  6. Spinny's Avatar
    12-23-08 12:39 PM
  7. bmcclure937's Avatar
    Hmm I am wondering how one profanity got thru the profanity filter....
    hahaha... honestly, that is the only thing in this thread I cared about as well! haha
    12-23-08 12:52 PM
  8. bmcclure937's Avatar
    QUOTE=crescent;1245350]<cut> In short, **** you fat ******* .jav progger with your failed job at mcdonalds. <cut>[/QUOTE]

    strange...
    Last edited by Crucial_Xtreme; 12-23-08 at 02:01 PM.
    12-23-08 12:52 PM
  9. richard.ds's Avatar
    I felt the exact same way. Finally something to organize podcasts and, what's that? $9.99!? ****! I remember a reading a few topics with developers popping veins over the fact that we expect free/cheap apps. It's possible. Android is doing it, apple is doing it. In my opinion, a majority of the apps I've seen available for blackberries don't look like they're worth how much they cost.
    12-23-08 01:03 PM
  10. beavercountyemt's Avatar
    I felt the exact same way. Finally something to organize podcasts and, what's that? $9.99!? ****! I remember a reading a few topics with developers popping veins over the fact that we expect free/cheap apps. It's possible. Android is doing it, apple is doing it. In my opinion, a majority of the apps I've seen available for blackberries don't look like they're worth how much they cost.
    Well then spend all your time makin a super app that does everything include make your lunch and then give it away for free. See how it feels on your end then. All the better apps cost money. Y? Cause someone spent their time on it and should be rightfully compensated 4 it.

    Either make it yourself or don't complain when someone charges for what they made.

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    12-23-08 01:11 PM
  11. Crucial_Xtreme's Avatar
    Keep it clean or it will be closed. Thanks.

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    12-23-08 02:02 PM
  12. Spinny's Avatar
    Either make it yourself or don't complain when someone charges for what they made.
    Exactly. I wonder how large a percentage of the "open source" supporters just sponge off the work of others, rather than giving back to the community by donating countless hours of their own time to help craft software.
    12-23-08 02:06 PM
  13. richard.ds's Avatar
    Well then spend all your time makin a super app that does everything include make your lunch and then give it away for free. See how it feels on your end then. All the better apps cost money. Y? Cause someone spent their time on it and should be rightfully compensated 4 it.

    Either make it yourself or don't complain when someone charges for what they made.

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    This is exactly what I mean. There's always someone who gets overly defensive. Donations and ads, or a few bucks sure. But 10 bucks for a podcast organizer or to get my phone to ring and vibrate at the same time? In the android market and iphone app store there are a LOT of well integrated free apps that do MANY useful things. The apps you have to pay for range from $.99 for something remotely useful or fun to about $9.99 for a full blown game. A lot of useful stuff though is free. For blackberry there are a few good freeware apps. The best freeware I could find was... viigo. Great program, integrated well with the blackberry OS, looks good and is paid for by ads. Barely anything else interesting is well integrated or worth it's ridiculous price.

    And I'm sick of this whole "you develop a program!" argument. A lot of people on the boards obviously aren't programmers. They're consumers and they're looking for the same kind of phone experience we've come to expect today thanks to the app store and android marketplace. Blackberries are great phones and in many cases are a necessity. There's going to apparently be an app store for blackberries in march I heard, and I'm psyched to see if it will kick some life into the development community.
    12-23-08 02:08 PM
  14. Spinny's Avatar
    In most places you cant even buy a mediocre lunch for ten bucks; that's chump change.
    12-23-08 02:10 PM
  15. richard.ds's Avatar
    I'm a student. $10 goes a LONG way. And for the record, I don't mean to argue. I was just stating my point of view. That is; when it comes to app availability, selection, quality, and price the blackberry platform is far behind its competitors. I've written programs in java before. I'm just getting started actually, and the simplest program has taken me days of effort to get going. In my fifth semester for my software project, I believe my entire program will be developing blackberry apps so I can get a real sense of how impossibly hard it must be. Maybe I will change my mind then, but right now I find that the alternative ways of supporting apps are better because you're making your apps available to everyone. I can't believe the guy that created the vibe and ring app and wanted $9 a pop for it. Wouldn't you just want to get that kind of software out there? It's a cool app, make it available. I would certainly pay a buck or two for that but almost $10 just seems greedy. It's really uninspiring.
    12-23-08 02:27 PM
  16. Spinny's Avatar
    When you get out into the cold, cruel world, if you're a halfway decent developer you'll quickly learn your time is worth many times that per hour. If you're a professional, and not just a hobbyist, you will log the hours you spent in development, plus overhead, and come up with a number your work is worth. Then you divide that by expected (or hoped-for) sales and there is your price point.

    As for donations, have you heard of CrackMem? Ask Pete6 how many people out of the bajillions of downloads actually sent him any money at all for what's possibly THE default must-have app around here. The pitiful number will embarrass and dishearten you.
    12-23-08 02:31 PM
  17. Reed McLay's Avatar
    The swear filter is in the process of being tuned. Image the suprize when certain words shipped through.

    The real scoop, we have a platform upgrade in preparation for serving up a million plus page views in 24 hours. Good thing too, every hint of a Storm upgrade tweaks the meter. I can't tell you much about the hardware, suffice to say there is plenty at work now.

    12-23-08 02:35 PM
  18. richard.ds's Avatar
    Unfortunately I've read what pete6 said about the donations he has received and yes it is disheartening...greatly. And once again, until I really get my head in there and start developing myself I can't argue with what you're saying about the worth of an app. I still think that there is a huge problem with blackberry involving apps though, and I think an app store would fix that. If there was an app store it would mean a far, far larger level of availability. Instead of the small community of the blackberry elite who know of the possibility of useful apps available to download, everyone with a blackberry would. This could mean cheaper apps and increased interest in the development community. This is why I'm completely intrigued with this upcoming app store.
    12-23-08 02:43 PM
  19. Spinny's Avatar
    I agree, once the developers have a realistic expectation of larger sales numbers you'll see the price point drop like a rock. Let's hope!
    12-23-08 02:45 PM
  20. Pete6's Avatar
    Yawn. This topic again. Really guys, get a life. This topic came up just a week ago http://forums.crackberry.com/f2/why-...e-apps-114981/ If anybody can stay awake long enough, read the whole thing.

    Points:
    Programmers like to eat and pay bills so they like to be compensated for time. Time spent in college, time spent writing, time spent debugging, supporting and enhancing.
    Programmers are no different from anybody else. They NEED to get paid.
    Users want free stuff.
    I wrote CrackMem which is probably the most popular download on Crackberry. It is free. I put a donation button on the program thinking that grateful users would support me. So far, 3 have (thank you,guys, you know who you are) donations from over 2000 downloads.

    I do not support calls for free software for the BlackBerry or any other platform that itself supports business users that have people who make money from the device. This includes free utilities.

    This rules out Ubuntu and all the other freebie teccy Linux clones. They are free and you get what you pay for although Ubuntu ain't bad I am no way moving from my paid for and supported Windows XP, Vista and MS Office for my business use.

    That said, my utilities will remain free forever and so will any other utilities I develop. This is because I want it that way.
    12-23-08 03:01 PM
  21. richard.ds's Avatar
    "Yawn. This topic again. Really guys, get a life."

    Uncalled for...moderator.
    12-23-08 03:09 PM
  22. crescent's Avatar
    No internet tough guy here just had some eggnog and the emotions started flowing! I forgot to point out that viigo is going to offer the podcast feature soon enough and viigo is free! Ad supported. I simply don't understand why developers feel they deserve 10 dollars for things that are available free. As for things like vib and ring and peekawho rim needs to get off their *** and add these features to the basic os, not to mention a browser worth two licks of a donkeys scrot.

    Btw I like the berry browser and am very happy with mobile browsing, I see very little reason for "true view" on a cell phone however the market demands it and its the single biggest complaint I hear about berries. Everyone is clammering for the new opera mini or firefox mobile, if rim had a better browser by default there would be no need for these and 3rd parties could start deving things like flash for mobile!

    Boy howdy I can't wait for youporn on my phone, bathroom breaks will never be the same! *sarcasm

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    12-23-08 04:26 PM
  23. Spinny's Avatar
    12-23-08 04:29 PM
  24. Bison's Avatar
    In most places you cant even buy a mediocre lunch for ten bucks; that's chump change.

    Oww come on now thats going a little too far. The dollar menu I can get a great lunch for under $5. Anyways I understand where OP is coming from. My Curve is the first BlackBerry I owned and while the experience is fun the cost is tremendous to maintain. I guess if you only need it for things here and there its OK or you are middle class and make over $40,000k a year it doesn't bother you but for average joe its ridiculous. Not only do I pay $50 a month through AT&T for the Data package which is outrageous. Perhaps its a carry based thing when for $30 you can get AT&T's unlimited text and internet w/o a BB device. I don't get it...I pay $20 more forcefully to get the same benefits and only get a IM for BB's to go with it? Sounds like horse **** to me.

    Not to mention some small features that most other phones have naturally built into the phones aren't available for BB's except through 3rd party apps. Kind of reminds me of M$ if you ask me the way RIM is controlling the smart phone scene. While most people say $5 or $10 isn't a lot of money, it sure ads up when you need multiple programs just to get similar features that came on your old non-BB phone. I've found numerous programs I could use but honestly just can't afford to buy with the holidays and money being tight. Just think a few programs can easily run you an extra $25-$50 more for what you already pay for a stand alone device costing over $500. Which is another point that's OT, cell phone prices. Used to be able to buy a top of the line Moto phone unlocked for $200 now they start out at $400+.

    I really love my BB and will continue to stay until I can no longer afford it which should be along time from now but you can't be such a Crack addict to not notice these shortcomings. I hate it when people get snoody about "If you want it buy it!" or "Make it yourSELF! NEH!" seriously remember we are the consumer we have a say through our money pockets to force more features with a phone w/o having to pay someone else to do it. Perhaps thats why there is still a strong market share for non-smart phones with keyboards. AT&T is calling them Text Phones now which can perform alot of PDA/Smart Phone features but cheaper and more efficiently the way you would recognize from a normal phone.

    People are too quick to jump to the 3rd party software developer's side these days. Sounds like "Don't blame the troops in Iraq, blame the Government", "Dont blame the Developer, BLAME RIM"

    Lets be honest its not helping with the troops being in Iraq and its not helping with the developers charging $5 for an app that does one stupid tiny thing either.
    12-23-08 07:14 PM
  25. Jo_795's Avatar
    Here is the deal, as a long term 'hard core techy' I have always turned to open source or "free" solutions to apps I feel should simply be available, call it an extremist freedom of information act. I just noticed this podcast aggregator on the blogs and its 9.99, really? You feel the need to charge the general public simply to acquire feeds of audio which most likely costs even more money? I commented a while back on a post which made the accusation (valid or not) of the poor being ugly and dumb. I refuse to believe this. Call me a ****** but start developing apps for the benefit of humanity and if you need money take the google approach (minus the cia/mit) and run advertisements. You are a worthless pos who should've noticed the drastic influx of people into the IT field thus flooding it and making you, repeatedly, worthless. Have a good day and I hope you run vista dual boot with ubuntu.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    hard core techi? then why dual boot with the easiest linux os out there?... Why Not Debian something to get you thinking?
    12-23-08 07:53 PM
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