- Is there any chance QNX will run on the new OS7 devices? I am half tempted to update from the 9780 to the 9900, but I don't want to if the QNX phones will be out in 2012. Is there actually hardware changes that need to be in place for QNX or is it all software?
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- Yeah RIM did say it will not run on the OS 7 devices. I do wonder if the software simply cannot boot unless it reads certain specs, or if some clever hacker will find a way to force load the OS, even if it doesn't run at full force.
It is a shame. 1.2ghz and 768mb of ram isn't exactly low-end. QNX in the raw is a lightweight kernel of a system is it not? I don't see why this new batch of 'Berries has to be totally incapable of running QNX, from a specs standpoint anyway.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com08-31-11 08:17 PMLike 0 - If they weren't able to force run os6 on the storm2 I doubt they'll be able to run qnx on os7 devices. Although I do think they will implement backwards compatibilyity.. So that u can uses apps that were run on current bbos code on the qnx devixes... Just my two cents
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com08-31-11 09:20 PMLike 0 - Yeah RIM did say it will not run on the OS 7 devices. I do wonder if the software simply cannot boot unless it reads certain specs, or if some clever hacker will find a way to force load the OS, even if it doesn't run at full force.
It is a shame. 1.2ghz and 768mb of ram isn't exactly low-end. QNX in the raw is a lightweight kernel of a system is it not? I don't see why this new batch of 'Berries has to be totally incapable of running QNX, from a specs standpoint anyway.The_Engine likes this.08-31-11 09:59 PMLike 1 - Rim is following plans. All we can do is sit, wait and enjoy as spectators.
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Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com09-01-11 08:06 AMLike 0 - There is no technical reason the QNX Kernel could not run on BB7 hardware. If RIM builds BB8 in a way that won't support BB7 hardware, it is a decision on their part, and I think a very bad one.
I get how BB7 with the hardware accelerated graphics could not run on 624 mhz and 520 mhz chips that ran BB6 & 5 devices. There was just not enough balls there.
But as others here have mentioned, the 1.2 ghz chips with Adreno 205 GPU's and 768 RAM is enough to run most things. And besides, all the BB7 devices have the same CPU/GPU. So it's not even that they would have to write several variants of the firmware for dif chip-sets. They would do 1, with some flavors based on Radios.
Now, that being said I would expect BB8 to be some what limited on a BB7 hardware. So some features may not be supported, etc. And the first BB8 devices will probably be spec'd more similar to the playbook itself. Dual Core, 1 gb or RAM or more, etc.
Only other possibility is a very different memory architecture where they go with a single huge flash drive and store RAM, OS, etc all in one place, or in a series of partitions. But I still don't think that is enough.
Basically if BB8 doesn't support BB7 hard ware, its because RIM wants you to buy a new device so that they make more $$$.09-01-11 08:22 AMLike 0 - Based on absolutely no inside information, my feeling is OS7 devices will run QNX or at least a "lite" version. There is no technical reason why it can't and looking at OS5 devices running OS6 kind of sets the precedent.
For obvious reasons, RIM cannot come out and confirm this. However, I'd be interested to know if RIM has ever officially stated the new OS7 devices are not compatible with QNX.
I've certainly not seen this.09-01-11 08:32 AMLike 0 - Based on absolutely no inside information, my feeling is OS7 devices will run QNX or at least a "lite" version. There is no technical reason why it can't and looking at OS5 devices running OS6 kind of sets the precedent.
For obvious reasons, RIM cannot come out and confirm this. However, I'd be interested to know if RIM has ever officially stated the new OS7 devices are not compatible with QNX.
I've certainly not seen this.
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When Apple launched OSX they said F U to OS9 nothing was compatible. Changing ones OS is a risky move, and RIM needs to focus on doing it right, not focus on making it work with product they wont make any future money off of,
I don't think anything is wrong with OS7 really, and I would still bet a vast majority of the people who get OS7 devices in the next 6-12 months wont care about upgrading the OS, since there are still MANY MANY 9300 owners rocking OS5, it is the hobbyists and tech bloggers that care about OS upgrading, not the general public.
I want RIM to focus on QNX for the Next generation line,09-01-11 10:42 AMLike 0 - OR it could be RIM doesn't want to Kill it's jump to a New OS by stifling development trying to make it backwards compatible with older hardware
When Apple launched OSX they said F U to OS9 nothing was compatible. Changing ones OS is a risky move, and RIM needs to focus on doing it right, not focus on making it work with product they wont make any future money off of,
I don't think anything is wrong with OS7 really, and I would still bet a vast majority of the people who get OS7 devices in the next 6-12 months wont care about upgrading the OS, since there are still MANY MANY 9300 owners rocking OS5, it is the hobbyists and tech bloggers that care about OS upgrading, not the general public.
I want RIM to focus on QNX for the Next generation line,
But you raise a good point that could cause an issue in that sdk and ndk support could be difficult on 2 hardware platforms.
I do think that they need to do their best to bring BB8 to BB7 hardware.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com09-01-11 10:50 AMLike 0 - The way I understand it, QNX software will be so different that the OS will not be able to be formatted to work on OS 7 or below.09-01-11 10:57 AMLike 0
- Yeah but RIM just did this with BB7 not supporting older hardware at all.
But you raise a good point that could cause an issue in that sdk and ndk support could be difficult on 2 hardware platforms.
I do think that they need to do their best to bring BB8 to BB7 hardware.
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Their reason for doing OS7 to OS6 was hardware limitations, not backwards compatibility
OS8 back to OS7, I very much feel will be a backwards compatibility restraint over hardware limitations. The Media and hobbyists are chomping at the bit for QNX to be launched on phones, the attempt to remove features and then test those features to make them work on OS7 devices, would just prolong the wait, and would serve no added benefit to RIM's stock price, or market share growth, IT MAY increase developer support if RIM can build SDK and a good IDE, but that would be easier again if they weren't trying to make backwards compatibility with OS7 devices. RIM needs to focus on the Future.newcollector likes this.09-01-11 10:58 AMLike 1 - Of course it is about profitability. RIM is not in business to go bankrupt! You make it sound like they are trying to take people to the cleaners.
RIM is not out to "stick it" to people, but to offer a product the consumer wants and needs at a price point that the consumer will pay and that provides RIM with profit. That is how the free market works. It allows RIM to continue to develop and be viable as a company and it provides the consumer with the product they want.
RIM does not make the older OS's not function...they still do, so if a person doesn't want the latest and greatest, they can continue to rock on with the product they have. As we have all seen, RIM continues to roll out upgrades to older OS's, but there comes a time when even that will be counter productive to all.
Just like software companies make a decision to stop supporting older renditions of a product, so RIM is focussing on the future.09-01-11 02:41 PMLike 0 -
Applications for OS 7 will probably be limited to stuff that is ported over from OS 6 - why would anyone want to spend anymore time developing for a platform that is about to be retired? That basically means what you have now is what you're going to be stuck with forever, unless RIM updates. I think that will steer a lot of people away from the BB7 phones, unless they are using BES and can't stand their older, outdated BB anymore
There is no technical reason the phone could not be updated. The new phones have very fast processors, a good amount of ram, and high density displays.09-08-11 02:43 PMLike 0 -
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OR it could be RIM doesn't want to Kill it's jump to a New OS by stifling development trying to make it backwards compatible with older hardware
When Apple launched OSX they said F U to OS9 nothing was compatible. Changing ones OS is a risky move, and RIM needs to focus on doing it right, not focus on making it work with product they wont make any future money off of,
I don't think anything is wrong with OS7 really, and I would still bet a vast majority of the people who get OS7 devices in the next 6-12 months wont care about upgrading the OS, since there are still MANY MANY 9300 owners rocking OS5, it is the hobbyists and tech bloggers that care about OS upgrading, not the general public.
I want RIM to focus on QNX for the Next generation line,
Not to mention, this may also flush bes policies on corp devices IF bes isn't supported by QNX at first. This can cause a security concern.Last edited by TheMimic; 09-08-11 at 03:41 PM.
09-08-11 03:34 PMLike 0 -
- There is no technical reason the QNX Kernel could not run on BB7 hardware. If RIM builds BB8 in a way that won't support BB7 hardware, it is a decision on their part, and I think a very bad one.
I get how BB7 with the hardware accelerated graphics could not run on 624 mhz and 520 mhz chips that ran BB6 & 5 devices. There was just not enough balls there.
But as others here have mentioned, the 1.2 ghz chips with Adreno 205 GPU's and 768 RAM is enough to run most things. And besides, all the BB7 devices have the same CPU/GPU. So it's not even that they would have to write several variants of the firmware for dif chip-sets. They would do 1, with some flavors based on Radios.
Now, that being said I would expect BB8 to be some what limited on a BB7 hardware. So some features may not be supported, etc. And the first BB8 devices will probably be spec'd more similar to the playbook itself. Dual Core, 1 gb or RAM or more, etc.
Only other possibility is a very different memory architecture where they go with a single huge flash drive and store RAM, OS, etc all in one place, or in a series of partitions. But I still don't think that is enough.
Basically if BB8 doesn't support BB7 hard ware, its because RIM wants you to buy a new device so that they make more $$$.09-08-11 10:11 PMLike 0 -
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