- I suppose it's immaterial now but did the opportunity to subscribe to BB10 ever come up as an option, there may have been but the depths of time mean I've forgotten? Lots of apps have premium options where subscriptions apply and some only offer free trials for a defined period, so why not a OS subscription. I appreciate hardware has a lifespan based on at least memory and processor performance, esp as apps become more sophisticated, but given the option I'd have seriously considered subscribing to BB10 to keep my classic's software current at least until these limitation created problems. This would have generated a revenue for RIM in addition to the sale of hand sets that could have sustained the platform and phone development, maybe, or may I barking up the wrong tree? Would you have subscribed?06-12-21 04:38 PMLike 0
- I suppose it's immaterial now but did the opportunity to subscribe to BB10 ever come up as an option, there may have been but the depths of time mean I've forgotten? Lots of apps have premium options where subscriptions apply and some only offer free trials for a defined period, so why not a OS subscription. I appreciate hardware has a lifespan based on at least memory and processor performance, esp as apps become more sophisticated, but given the option I'd have seriously considered subscribing to BB10 to keep my classic's software current at least until these limitation created problems. This would have generated a revenue for RIM in addition to the sale of hand sets that could have sustained the platform and phone development, maybe, or may I barking up the wrong tree? Would you have subscribed?06-12-21 05:20 PMLike 0
- No, what good would support for the OS be if the line of business applications that I need aren't available on it? the overall marketshare for the OS was so tiny to begin with that with even, generously, 10 per cent paying for support, BlackBerry would have ended up losing even more money on the OS than they already did.06-13-21 07:58 PMLike 0
- I suppose it's immaterial now but did the opportunity to subscribe to BB10 ever come up as an option, there may have been but the depths of time mean I've forgotten? Lots of apps have premium options where subscriptions apply and some only offer free trials for a defined period, so why not a OS subscription. I appreciate hardware has a lifespan based on at least memory and processor performance, esp as apps become more sophisticated, but given the option I'd have seriously considered subscribing to BB10 to keep my classic's software current at least until these limitation created problems. This would have generated a revenue for RIM in addition to the sale of hand sets that could have sustained the platform and phone development, maybe, or may I barking up the wrong tree? Would you have subscribed?
Back in 2013 you might have sold people on the security aspects, but today Android and iOS are MUCH improved in that area.
It's been an idea for years that BB10 should be a subscription option, but the reality is the cost just don't balance out with the possibility of a viable userbase. We are talking about a group that had a hard time with $1.99 subscriptions...
Heck I'm wondering what MS is going to do with Windows 11 costs this time around... I suspect a LOT of people will still be on Windows 10 on October 14, 2025.Laura Knotek and pdr733 like this.06-15-21 09:35 AMLike 2 - Why would I?
Back in 2013 you might have sold people on the security aspects, but today Android and iOS are MUCH improved in that area.
It's been an idea for years that BB10 should be a subscription option, but the reality is the cost just don't balance out with the possibility of a viable userbase. We are talking about a group that had a hard time with $1.99 subscriptions...
Heck I'm wondering what MS is going to do with Windows 11 costs this time around... I suspect a LOT of people will still be on Windows 10 on October 14, 2025.Laura Knotek and Tsepz_GP like this.06-15-21 09:44 AMLike 2 - Given that Win11 will only be installable on PCs with CPUs no older than 2 (AMD) or 3 (Intel) years old, you can say that again. Tens of millions of perfectly good PCs will never get 11.Laura Knotek likes this.06-30-21 09:55 PMLike 1
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Windows 11 needs 64bit and not 32 bit.07-01-21 01:05 AMLike 0 -
The only real limitation is the TPM 2.0 requirement.....Laura Knotek likes this.07-01-21 07:15 AMLike 1 -
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I know my five year old Surface Pro 4... a MS device won't support it.
TPM 2.0 came out in 2019, but some manufactures knew it was coming and their MB offer the needed support and updates. But you have a pre 2019 computer (or one built with older components), it's going to be a crap shoot as things stand. Possible your MB might accept a newer TPM module, and possible you MB manufacture has the needed BIOS updates...
But sounds like a good time to by stock in Del and HP.... folks are going to be needing new PC, if they want Windows 11Laura Knotek likes this.07-01-21 09:00 AMLike 1 - Yeah many won't have it turned on.... https://www.windowscentral.com/how-e...-its-supported
I know my five year old Surface Pro 4... a MS device won't support it.
TPM 2.0 came out in 2019, but some manufactures knew it was coming and their MB offer the needed support and updates. But you have a pre 2019 computer (or one built with older components), it's going to be a crap shoot as things stand. Possible your MB might accept a newer TPM module, and possible you MB manufacture has the needed BIOS updates...
But sounds like a good time to by stock in Del and HP.... folks are going to be needing new PC, if they want Windows 1107-01-21 09:06 AMLike 0 - Yeah, I just built my current PC a month ago. In my hunt for parts over the course of the previous 4 months and trying to keep cost down, I ended up with a Gigabyte motherboard that only supports up to the 10th gen Intel Core chips. I wasn't thinking, but really should have gotten one that does 10th and 11th gen CPUs. Not that big a deal, though. Just limits my future upgrade path. Unless I get a BIOS update that adds 11th gen support.
Then saw the Win 11 issue and quickly checked using that compatibility checker that MS pulled for not being specific on why a system isn't compatible.
"Not supported".
But, read more and found out about just turning on a setting in the BIOS. I hunted around for the PTT in the BIOS, found it, turned it on, checked again, and I'm ready for Windows 11.
Of course, that's caused a whole scalping industry overnight for TPM chips that mostly aren't necessary.Laura Knotek likes this.07-01-21 09:32 AMLike 1 -
- Yeah, I just built my current PC a month ago. In my hunt for parts over the course of the previous 4 months and trying to keep cost down, I ended up with a Gigabyte motherboard that only supports up to the 10th gen Intel Core chips. I wasn't thinking, but really should have gotten one that does 10th and 11th gen CPUs. Not that big a deal, though. Just limits my future upgrade path. Unless I get a BIOS update that adds 11th gen support.
Then saw the Win 11 issue and quickly checked using that compatibility checker that MS pulled for not being specific on why a system isn't compatible.
"Not supported".
But, read more and found out about just turning on a setting in the BIOS. I hunted around for the PTT in the BIOS, found it, turned it on, checked again, and I'm ready for Windows 11.
Of course, that's caused a whole scalping industry overnight for TPM chips that mostly aren't necessary.07-01-21 11:30 AMLike 0 -
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I updated just in time. My last system was an AMD system using the FX-4300 that I put together back in 2013. It's done well for me all these years, but my work with AutoCAD and Building Information Modeling software (Revit) did bog it down as I do more work at home now.07-01-21 11:46 AMLike 0 -
Personally I haven't used windows in 7 years. It's still at 6.6.3 (10), when 11 gets officially released, it'll be at 6.6.9 or 6.7.0. (going by original version numbering).
At least we have options, that Microsoft will never give us.07-05-21 03:33 AMLike 0 - I heard about that CPU limit. I knew I was fine, CPU-wise. Apparently, there was a big uproar about stopping at the 8th gen Intel because the 7th gen was very popular - many gamers are still on it and don't want to give it up. That's why MS backed off a bit on that limit.
I updated just in time. My last system was an AMD system using the FX-4300 that I put together back in 2013. It's done well for me all these years, but my work with AutoCAD and Building Information Modeling software (Revit) did bog it down as I do more work at home now.
If there's free open source alternatives to what you currently use, especially autoCAD, those could be the best alternatives.
If what you use can run smoothly in a virtual machine, you may not need windows at all.07-05-21 03:40 AMLike 0 - More RAM and turning off virtual memory (or limiting to 16MB) would definitely help.
If there's free open source alternatives to what you currently use, especially autoCAD, those could be the best alternatives.
If what you use can run smoothly in a virtual machine, you may not need windows at all.
There is no open source alternative to that.07-05-21 09:38 AMLike 0 - Not in my situation. I've got 32MB now, so I'm fine. Autocad isn't the main program. It's Revit - a collaborative software that allows multiple users to work on the model. Within the same firm, and outside engineering consultants. Files are saved to Autodesk's own cloud-based service - BIM360. Files can be a few MBs in size to tens of GBs for just one file.
There is no open source alternative to that.
Same for Windows 11... not "really" any alternatives for enterprise.
Individuals might be able to make Linux or Chromebook work for them. But for now most users of "programs" need Windows. Now as more and more solutions move to subscriptions and to cloud offerings, and as speeds increase. We are getting closer and closer to the point where all that's needed is a browser.
Which is why MS isn't really charging for Windows 11.... only making sure the hardware is going to provide the most secure experience.Laura Knotek likes this.07-06-21 07:40 AMLike 1
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