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  1. missing_K-W's Avatar
    I don't have a problem with predictions when there is a emphasis on maybe. These predictions always seem to have 100% certainty.

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    There was never a reason for anyone to feel BlackBerry was abandoning hardware.

    BlackBerry is a fully integrated solution and will remain as such.

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    12-20-13 03:05 PM
  2. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    There was never a reason for anyone to feel BlackBerry was abandoning hardware.

    BlackBerry is a fully integrated solution and will remain as such.

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    Doesn't that bore you, to say the same 3 sentences, every single time you post something?

    Apart from that, there were good reasons to assume that BlackBerry could possibly quit the handset business.
    It was and is the department of the enterprise that realises the most losses.
    Normally, after a certain time, if an enterprise isn't able to cross-subsidize different product categories, "for a greater goal", they will quit to make money losing products/services.

    So yes, it's pretty wrong to say that there was never a reason to doubt BlackBerry's future as a handset maker.

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    12-20-13 03:43 PM
  3. missing_K-W's Avatar
    Doesn't that bore you, to say the same 3 sentences, every single time you post something?

    Apart from that, there were good reasons to assume that BlackBerry could possibly quit the handset business.
    It was and is the department of the enterprise that realises the most losses.
    Normally, after a certain time, if an enterprise isn't able to cross-subsidize different product categories, "for a greater goal", they will quit to make money losing products/services.

    So yes, it's pretty wrong to say that there was never a reason to doubt BlackBerry's future as a handset maker.

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    BlackBerry is a fully integrated solution. Anyone with a decent head on their shoulders would be aware of the fact that BlackBerry would never abandon hardware. It is what it is

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    12-20-13 03:45 PM
  4. heymaggie's Avatar
    How will Blackberry be a fully integrated solution when Foxconn will be designing the phones, sourcing the parts, doing the manufacturing, and handling the inventory.

    Apple is a fully integrated solution. They design the processors, the factory machines that make the hardware, handle all of the logistics, even sell you the phone at the retail level.
    12-20-13 03:54 PM
  5. ElGusta's Avatar
    So what about those of us not in Indonesia?

    Once again, the absence of clarity brings more questions than answers.
    12-20-13 03:54 PM
  6. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    How will Blackberry be a fully integrated solution when Foxconn will be designing the phones, sourcing the parts, doing the manufacturing, and handling the inventory.

    Apple is a fully integrated solution. They design the processors, the factory machines that make the hardware, handle all of the logistics, even sell you the phone at the retail level.
    Newsflash Apple designs their hardware and it is produced by manufacturers like Foxconn...

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    12-20-13 03:57 PM
  7. PFman's Avatar
    Wether they are making handsets or not doesn't matter. Look at the numbers sold, garbage. No marketing, no production, no sales and no hope. Why would Indonesia want a cheap blackberry when they can have BBM on a cheap andriod all ready?

    None of this makes sense.

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    12-20-13 03:58 PM
  8. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    So what about those of us not in Indonesia?

    Once again, the absence of clarity brings more questions than answers.
    It's clear to me. They start at their biggest BB7 buyers to upgrade to a cheap BB10 and move down the line of countries that would benefit them the most.

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    12-20-13 03:58 PM
  9. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    BlackBerry is a fully integrated solution. Anyone with a decent head on their shoulders would be aware of the fact that BlackBerry would never abandon hardware. It is what it is

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    I guess it doesn't bore you yourself, then.

    And yet again, I'll vehemently disagree.
    Everyone who understands even a little about how big businesses operate, would have started to doubt BlackBerry's future as a handset provider.
    Especially if the losses continue like they have until now, there won't even be a company left, that could produce handsets.

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    12-20-13 04:03 PM
  10. ElGusta's Avatar
    It's clear to me. They start at their biggest BB7 buyers to upgrade to a cheap BB10 and move down the line of countries that would benefit them the most.

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    Interesting, thanks.

    I wonder where Canada places in their list of priorities as we are a comparably small market.
    12-20-13 04:09 PM
  11. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Interesting, thanks.

    I wonder where Canada places in their list of priorities as we are a comparably small market.
    Well for now we have 4 choices of bb10 devices and prices are dropping. It's not like we're completely left out. But I don't expect another flagship so soon.

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    12-20-13 04:18 PM
  12. Whyareallthegoodnamestaken's Avatar
    Because a cheap BB is better than a cheap Android.

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    12-20-13 05:43 PM
  13. R Field's Avatar
    So what about those of us not in Indonesia?

    Once again, the absence of clarity brings more questions than answers.
    Foxconn will manufacture phones in Mexico as well according to the press release.

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    12-20-13 05:44 PM
  14. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    Newsflash Apple designs their hardware and it is produced by manufacturers like Foxconn...

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    I think the point Mags was making, is that Apple designs everything themselves, down to the last rivet or screw. Foxconn is just the labor force that puts it together using Apple's designs for the hardware and the machinery provided by Apple (though I can't myself verify that Apple also created the manufacturing equipment as she alluded).

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    12-20-13 07:12 PM
  15. sinsin07's Avatar
    BlackBerry is a fully integrated solution. Anyone with a decent head on their shoulders would be aware of the fact that BlackBerry would never abandon hardware. It is what it is

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    For Corps, without a tablet, it's only a partial solution. Still gotta go to iOS and Android to complete the "integrated solution."
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    12-20-13 07:17 PM
  16. sinsin07's Avatar
    It's clear to me. They start at their biggest BB7 buyers to upgrade to a cheap BB10 and move down the line of countries that would benefit them the most.

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    It needs to be clear to more than just you. Thats the problem.
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    12-20-13 07:22 PM
  17. tchocky77's Avatar
    I think the point Mags was making, is that Apple designs everything themselves, down to the last rivet or screw. Foxconn is just the labor force that puts it together using Apple's designs for the hardware and the machinery provided by Apple (though I can't myself verify that Apple also created the manufacturing equipment as she alluded).

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    He knows. He's just to stubborn to cede the point. Also,...Apple does design the equipment that assembles their products it's noted in the Jobs bio and in "Inside Apple." Both outstanding books, BTW.

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    12-22-13 12:29 AM
  18. tchocky77's Avatar
    There was never a reason for anyone to feel BlackBerry was abandoning hardware.

    BlackBerry is a fully integrated solution and will remain as such.

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    Not in mature markets, they won't.

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    12-22-13 12:33 AM
  19. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    He knows. He's just to stubborn to cede the point. Also,...Apple does design the equipment that assembles their products it's noted in the Jobs bio and in "Inside Apple." Both outstanding books, BTW.

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    Tyvm. I had heard that they had, but I'd never motivated myself to verify it myself. Thanks for the source info... I may actually get off my lazy **** and finally read those books.
    12-22-13 10:24 AM
  20. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Tyvm. I had heard that they had, but I'd never motivated myself to verify it myself. Thanks for the source info... I may actually get off my lazy **** and finally read those books.
    It's no different than BlackBerry. And now Microsoft is even making their own hardware.

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    12-22-13 11:07 AM
  21. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    It's no different than BlackBerry. And now Microsoft is even making their own hardware.
    It's actually quite different. Foxconn will be designing a significant amount of the device hardware. BBRY will design the exterior casing, declare what minimum specs they may want for a device, and Foxconn will design the device hardware based on that information as well as the manufacturing equipment. Which is significantly different from Apple that designs everything, including the manufacturing equipment, down to the last detail. Apple merely uses Foxconn as labor to assemble the devices, whereas BBRY will have to rely on Foxconn to do a lot more.
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    12-22-13 11:20 AM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    We'll see in March or April. It should be interesting.
    12-22-13 11:25 AM
  23. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    It's actually quite different. Foxconn will be designing a significant amount of the device hardware. BBRY will design the exterior casing, declare what minimum specs they may want for a device, and Foxconn will design the device hardware based on that information as well as the manufacturing equipment. Which is significantly different from Apple that designs everything, including the manufacturing equipment, down to the last detail. Apple merely uses Foxconn as labor to assemble the devices, whereas BBRY will have to rely on Foxconn to do a lot more.
    Where do they explain this in detail ?? Regarding BlackBerry.

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    12-22-13 09:30 PM
  24. Raestloz's Avatar
    It's actually quite different. Foxconn will be designing a significant amount of the device hardware. BBRY will design the exterior casing, declare what minimum specs they may want for a device, and Foxconn will design the device hardware based on that information as well as the manufacturing equipment. Which is significantly different from Apple that designs everything, including the manufacturing equipment, down to the last detail. Apple merely uses Foxconn as labor to assemble the devices, whereas BBRY will have to rely on Foxconn to do a lot more.
    And in the end, the software is from BlackBerry.

    I mean, while Apple indeed designs everything on their own, at the end of the day a hardware is a hardware is a hardware. These days, hardware is standardized so much, it doesn't really matter anymore.

    In actuality, how many people ever thought "dang, I wonder how the inside of my phone looks?", actually pry them open and preach about it? Not that many. Mostly,people see the outer casing, weighs it on their hands, try out the UI, and there you have it.

    It's not like Foxconn will use non-standard hardware such as FireWire, that thing is just asking for flamethrower

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    12-22-13 09:57 PM
  25. heymaggie's Avatar
    I mean, while Apple indeed designs everything on their own, at the end of the day a hardware is a hardware is a hardware. These days, hardware is standardized so much, it doesn't really matter anymore.
    Why, then did the mighty HP, after spending billions buying Palm and launching a tablet give it up so quickly and why doesn't Blackberry have a tablet that their enterprise customers will buy? Chen could have Foxconn whip one up for them too.
    12-23-13 07:03 AM
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