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- Please PLEASE show me proof of all these "forced obsolete" iphones out there. There are more people still using 2 or 3 year old iphones than there are people who bought all BB10 phones combined, as in ever. Apple updates IOS multiple times a year and owners don't have to wait for stupid carriers to certify the updates.
Here is an example of an iPhone 4s going from iOS 7 to 8.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2014/09/i...ing-ios-8.html
When you have end to end control over your OS you can choose to optimize your system or de-optimize. And Apple has quite a predictable schedule. Samsung and Android is quite random.
Someone has led you to believe that update compliance is what provides a great user experience on mobile devices. I can say with personal experience that does not apply to iPhone. It provides security perhaps, but you are equally a slave to the system.
On the other hand Apple provides a nice upgrade path for the customer. Every September you can get your next edition. And as long as your enticed by the minor hardware enhancements, well good for you! I was just in the camp that felt frustrated having to turn in perfectly good hardware every year to maintain the same user experience. I have no problem being enticed to upgrade by legitimate improvements. But I don't like bugs thrown in to intentionally exploit me as the "installed user base."
Q1002-07-16 12:40 AMLike 0 - Why don't you still run Windows on your old 386 CPU with 4 MB of RAM? That's what I was running in 1991. I guess Microsoft had "planned obsolescence" when they "slowed down my PC" by releasing newer versions of Windows. Of course, let's not talk about all of the functionality, security, and capabilities that have been added to Windows over those years - that doesn't matter. What does matter is that my 386 is no longer usable!
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You're really making the same argument. Phone OSs have been gaining capabilities rapidly over the last few years, but the "cost" of that is that older hardware simply isn't up to the job anymore. It's not that the hardware got slower, it's that the newer OSs had so many more features and capabilities that they need more horsepower (CPU speed, bus speed), more RAM with more lanes, better GPUs, etc.) in order to run the new OSs as smoothly as the old hardware ran the old, less-capable OS that it launched with.
No one forces you to upgrade your old OS version, but if you do, and that phone is 3+ years old, you need to realize that there's 3 more years of software development, adding features and functions that a lot of people want, built into that new OS, and your old hardware just might not be able to handle that well. That's not a conspiracy, it's just the way technology works.02-07-16 01:00 AMLike 8 - Why don't you still run Windows on your old 386 CPU with 4 MB of RAM? That's what I was running in 1991. I guess Microsoft had "planned obsolescence" when they "slowed down my PC" by releasing newer versions of Windows. Of course, let's not talk about all of the functionality, security, and capabilities that have been added to Windows over those years - that doesn't matter. What does matter is that my 386 is no longer usable!
/sarcasm
You're really making the same argument. Phone OSs have been gaining capabilities rapidly over the last few years, but the "cost" of that is that older hardware simply isn't up to the job anymore. It's not that the hardware got slower, it's that the newer OSs had so many more features and capabilities that they need more horsepower (CPU speed, bus speed), more RAM with more lanes, better GPUs, etc.) in order to run the new OSs as smoothly as the old hardware ran the old, less-capable OS that it launched with.
No one forces you to upgrade your old OS version, but if you do, and that phone is 3+ years old, you need to realize that there's 3 more years of software development, adding features and functions that a lot of people want, built into that new OS, and your old hardware just might not be able to handle that well. That's not a conspiracy, it's just the way technology works.
Yes, Apple "forces" you to upgrade the OS in the form of discontinuing security updates if you are not on their latest OS. If Apple released maintenance and security updates to their past OS, then I would agree that it is not forced. No user should need to decide between security updates and dog slow UI.
I am glad you mentioned the three years in a phone. The first Z10 and the Q10 were released 3 years ago this month. Both of those phones I have work smoother on the latest OS than at their release.
Posted via CB10byex likes this.02-07-16 01:10 AMLike 1 - Why don't you still run Windows on your old 386 CPU with 4 MB of RAM? That's what I was running in 1991. I guess Microsoft had "planned obsolescence" when they "slowed down my PC" by releasing newer versions of Windows. Of course, let's not talk about all of the functionality, security, and capabilities that have been added to Windows over those years - that doesn't matter. What does matter is that my 386 is no longer usable!
/sarcasm
You're really making the same argument. Phone OSs have been gaining capabilities rapidly over the last few years, but the "cost" of that is that older hardware simply isn't up to the job anymore. It's not that the hardware got slower, it's that the newer OSs had so many more features and capabilities that they need more horsepower (CPU speed, bus speed), more RAM with more lanes, better GPUs, etc.) in order to run the new OSs as smoothly as the old hardware ran the old, less-capable OS that it launched with.
No one forces you to upgrade your old OS version, but if you do, and that phone is 3+ years old, you need to realize that there's 3 more years of software development, adding features and functions that a lot of people want, built into that new OS, and your old hardware just might not be able to handle that well. That's not a conspiracy, it's just the way technology works.
When the average consumer sees the system notification to upgrade, they do not consider that the upgrade will actually hurt their user experience. They just think Apple is providing the service to improve their device. When the unsuspecting customer experiences a sluggish phone thereafter, they can't roll it back to the previous OS (unlike MS, and where your sarcastic analogy doesn't fit). Customers are stuck with a device that works worse than before the update, with the only option to put up with it or upgrade hardware.
I never said this is a conspiracy. It's just a unethical business practice that I don't have to participate in. It's also very lucrative for Apple.
My point is that BlackBerry optimized the 10.3.2 experience for the Q10, so the user experience is better today than when launched. Under your logic, the 3 year old Q10 hardware shouldn't have the horsepower to run 10.3 smoothly. And besides the android runtime, it runs it very well. If BlackBerry operated like Apple, the Q10 would have all the sudden acted buggy when the Passport released, "encouraging" users to upgrade.
Q1002-07-16 02:04 AMLike 0 - Also, their practice of locking down their hardware with sealed in battery means that after two years or so, the customer is forced to pay a hefty price for a battery exchange, so many people just add more money and get a new phone anyways. Sealed in battery makes people pay labour fee + overpriced batteries, for a simple battery change, so this is a form of planned obsolescence.02-07-16 02:30 AMLike 0
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- Why? My local phone shop charges $10, and takes 5 minutes, to swap a Z30 battery if you bring them one. They are cheap on Amazon.02-07-16 08:11 AMLike 0
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Posted via CB1002-07-16 09:34 AMLike 0 -
If you actually read the posts, you would know it is not about hating a successful company.
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- I have used every major phone OS there is. None are perfect. There is not enough room nor time here to debate the positives and negatives. Picking out one fault and making a general statement about an OS does not hold water. People use which one works best for them. The results are clear.Bbnivende likes this.02-07-16 10:22 AMLike 1
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By no regards do I believe BlackBerry a better solution for everyone. In a year, they may not even be a viable solution for me. I am mentioning my thanks to a company for optimizing their 3 year old devices. And by no means do I believe that BlackBerry or Chen are doing this out of their benevolent hearts. They are doing it out of pure survival, trying to migrate BBOS users to any BB10 devices they can.
Q1002-07-16 02:02 PMLike 3 - I agree the older hardware can't keep up to the newer OS, but then the manufacturer shouldn't push the update for that device. If the OS can't be optimized for the hardware, don't let it upgrade. This way the user experience isn't diminished, and they are actually enticed to upgrade because the new product is better.
When the average consumer sees the system notification to upgrade, they do not consider that the upgrade will actually hurt their user experience. They just think Apple is providing the service to improve their device. When the unsuspecting customer experiences a sluggish phone thereafter, they can't roll it back to the previous OS (unlike MS, and where your sarcastic analogy doesn't fit).
I never said this is a conspiracy. It's just a unethical business practice that I don't have to participate in. It's also very lucrative for Apple.
The level of victimization here is just insane sometimes.
My point is that BlackBerry optimized the 10.3.2 experience for the Q10, so the user experience is better today than when launched. Under your logic, the 3 year old Q10 hardware shouldn't have the horsepower to run 10.3 smoothly. And besides the android runtime, it runs it very well. If BlackBerry operated like Apple, the Q10 would have all the sudden acted buggy when the Passport released, "encouraging" users to upgrade.Elephant_Canyon and Jerry A like this.02-07-16 02:23 PMLike 2 - I actually agree to a lot what you've said here Tony. Though I don't have a clue about tuning a Prius and would likely never own one.
Restoring Windows on a PC was commonly required to operate the computer and keep a smooth and clean operating system. Since the time I started in 2002, it had always been plug the install CD in the drive and hit F12 on startup. Then select "clean install". I would suggest that the common personal PC user did this one time or another in the last 2 decades. It was part of being a PC owner.
The iPad first gen was limited from updating to iOS 6. It still remains on 5.1.1. Many Apple users were thankful to get another 1-2 years on a device that would have essentially bricked by iOS 6. To this date it is a nice Netflix machine for my 4 year old son. Apple treats the MacBook community similarly. My sister still enjoys her 9 year old Macbook Pro.
But I agree wholeheartedly that the choice to upgrade is the best method Apple should follow. I would suggest there is a large group of Apple fans that wish for greater transparency on the matter. Even if there were a "recommended" iOS version listed from Apple per device, or at least the option to factory restore to a stable version of the OS that originally released with the phone - which was optimized for that hardware.
Then Again, most Apple fans know that you always stay within 2 iOS versions that released on your phone, as most MS users know to wait for "Service Pack 1."
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02-07-16 02:59 PMLike 2 - Does the same go for the iPad? I have an iPad mini 2 and updated it to latest software version and it's running fine.02-07-16 03:06 PMLike 0
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Ipad Mini 2 released with iOS 7 in Nov 2013. IOS 9 should work well. I would strongly suggest you don't upgrade to iOS 10 when it releases this fall without watching performance reviews first. They will be easy to find on youtube. Advantage of having all of those fans out there.
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skstrials likes this.02-07-16 05:15 PMLike 1 - Yes.
Ipad Mini 2 released with iOS 7 in Nov 2013. IOS 9 should work well. I would strongly suggest you don't upgrade to iOS 10 when it releases this fall without watching performance reviews first. They will be easy to find on youtube. Advantage of having all of those fans out there.
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02-07-16 05:47 PMLike 0 - Let's not rewrite history shall we.
While Blackberry never advertised as much as they should of, they received a ton of free hype and advertising in the run up to the release of BB10 from various sites.
Blackberry did advertise the Z10 quite extensively as well.
And have we forgotten already the millions spent on the Superbowl ad which was supposed to change the world? Despite the fact that it was big money for a small sport with limited exposure.
Then there's the Formula One sponsorship which has probably been the only decent thing done by the marketing team.
I think the Superbowl ad alone is a major example that money thrown at marketing is in no way a guarantee of success.
BB10 had much more issues then just lack of advertising. It simply did not appeal to the masses. And that included die hard Blackberry fans as it was legacy devices and their service charges that bankrolled the continuation of BB10 after it flopped.
For the Chen haters, none of these problems were caused by Chen. He was brought in to perform emergency triage. His options were greatly limited. BB was burning through tons of cash. He probably has made some mistakes, but considering the mess he inherited from the two previous leadership teams it's amazing how well he has done.02-07-16 09:00 PMLike 3
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