NYT article - BB10 delay could lead to lawsuits.
- It's pretty obvious that RIM has had its stock held to ransom by the media. They need to stop giving people bad ideas.
As a shareholder, I'd realize that giving the company the resources and until the company comes out with their phone instead of driving the company down to the ground in fending off lawsuits.
I think that these lawsuits would be designed for shareholders that invested in the company and were led to believe that the companies resources were being used so that the new devices would be released in a timely manner to allow RIM to compete.
Hard to compete when you aren't even in the race anymore.07-09-12 04:41 PMLike 0 - what a waste, there will never ever be a law suit......RIM could even use their previous delays as a defense, like the share holders should have expected a delay because we always have delays or they could just refer to previous delays and claim "it happens, it happened before".
and besides these defenses it is just silly to claim RIM hurt your feelings by delaying BB10, it is just too ridiculous.
people i have news, you get lied to all the time, but you want to take out on RIM? just unbelievable this negative attitude at Crackberry, you people act like jilted lovers that want to hurt RIM as a payback.07-09-12 04:44 PMLike 3 - You have no idea what you are talking about. Expect class action lawsuits on behalf of purchasers of RIM stock (not people who have "hurt feelings") to be filed in the next two weeks.07-09-12 05:01 PMLike 0
- DenverRalphyRetired Network ModThat's probably mostly true. I'm sure Heins stays as informed as he wants to be on an informal basis.
There IS a difference between informal status reports and hard milestones, and there's a couple of things to remember: 1) the informal ones are non-binding, just kind of a general "how's things?", and there's no obligation to pass that on to anyone. Such informal checks can actually be counter-productive if they're happening too often or require too much detail 2) Every major project DOES have hard status checks, and that's where the legal reporting requirements come into play.
I'm guessing that the formal status checks were scheduled for after BBW. They're completely entitled to do that, as long as it didn't violate any other requirements.
If you're a shareholder or an investor, that doesn't smell of informal status.07-09-12 05:45 PMLike 0 -
- DenverRalphyRetired Network ModYou mean like investing tons of money into the company? Oh wait... that's what they're doing.07-09-12 06:05 PMLike 4
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With all the RIM screwups, yes there needs to be some accountability. But, for the moment, there are supposedly stockholders who want to see RIM make money and make money for them. There are supposedly lots of BB users chomping at the bit for BB10 phones. The last thing anyone needs is a series of lawsuits draining money out of the company and regulatory investigation to drive away more investors. I'm just suggesting that, even if all that happens, it should be after they've had a chance to stabilize. Not for RIM's sake, but to at least give the investors a chance to make their money back and the customers a chance to have BB10 and a company still around to support it.amazinglygraceless and bungaboy like this.07-09-12 06:44 PMLike 2 - I'd like to see both be held accountable because both have misled.
I would love to see BB10 in the market. I just don't think RIM, in its current form (read - management and structure) can make it successful. They need to find a very strong partner to give them the credibility they need (from both investors and consumers) to not only launch BB10 but give enough confidence to everyone that they will be around to support it.07-09-12 06:52 PMLike 0 - I somehow never see anyone suing when they are winning whilst gambling. Just saying.
And somehow it always seems to be Americans that jump on the bashwagon. I am not defending RIM here, just calling Americans greedy and unwilling to take risks without wanting to take there ball and go home.07-09-12 06:57 PMLike 0 - I somehow never see anyone suing when they are winning whilst gambling. Just saying.
And somehow it always seems to be Americans that jump on the bashwagon. I am not defending RIM here, just calling Americans greedy and unwilling to take risks without wanting to take there ball and go home.
Yeah, it's just greedy American shareholders. Let's all move along -- nothing to see here.amazinglygraceless and chr1sny like this.07-09-12 07:26 PMLike 2 -
never ever, give it up..........07-09-12 07:32 PMLike 0 - Unfortunately,RIM won't get any new visionaries until the "blind who once could barely see" are completely out the way. I suspect it will take a mutiny for that to happen; unless, of course, the BOD decides to sell the Company to Amazon...07-09-12 08:05 PMLike 0
- You are conflating prosecution by the government and private civil lawsuits. Not to mention betraying a lack of familiarity with the world of class action securities litigation. Millions are invested in companies based on what their directors or officers say. That you think losses based on those "little white lies" are or should not be actionable is quite simply not a position grounded in reality.chr1sny likes this.07-09-12 08:09 PMLike 1
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Bank lawsuits:
Two Shareholders Sue J.P. Morgan Over Trading Losses - WSJ.com
Citigroup Slapped With Shareholder Lawsuit (NYSE:C) | Wall St. Cheat Sheet
More Goldman Sachs Lawsuits for Meltdown | Politicol Commentary News
There Are Two Big Reasons Why Goldman Sachs Just Got Sued For Fraud Again - Business Insider
Financial Crisis, Legal Boom - Forbes.com
Merrill Lynch
Take a look at these. Then come back and state "many too big to fail banks got sued, causing a full fledged world crisis? right, still waiting"
You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been invited to participate in a class action? Have you ever participated in a class action? They happen all the time. I got two invitations (letters) from law firms last week. I tear them up and throw them out.
Please, talk about something you understand. Shareholder class action lawsuits is not one of them...07-09-12 08:15 PMLike 0 - You are conflating prosecution by the government and private civil lawsuits. Not to mention betraying a lack of familiarity with the world of class action securities litigation. Millions are invested in companies based on what their directors or officers say. That you think losses based on those "little white lies" are or should not be actionable is quite simply not a position grounded in reality.
the only thing that becomes overly clear is the Crackberry crowd can't wait to kick RIM while they are down.07-09-12 08:24 PMLike 0 - Your interpretation of doing "NOTHING WRONG" is immaterial. The lawyers will find out some way to sue - this is a civil case and not criminal. The only ones who benefit from class action suits are the lawyers. When stockholders lose A LOT of money (50% since Heins took over; 77% this year and 95% since 4 years ago) suits will follow.
Keep the faith. Even if you don't know much about class action suits.07-09-12 08:26 PMLike 0 - whatever you say, one thing is certain, never, never will RIM get sued over this, in the first place they did NOTHING WRONG, it is absolutely ridiculous to claim RIM set out to mislead anybody. yes even if there was a case of a little white lie, you still have no case.
the only thing that becomes overly clear is the Crackberry crowd can't wait to kick RIM while they are down.
No matter what, though, this whole drama is mighty entertaining, I'm logging in to Crackberry a little too much at work...07-09-12 08:36 PMLike 0 - The class action lawyers don't care about what is going to be done.
They care about what has already happened. Heins is being very open now. But the company has not been particularly forthcoming in the past year. That's the problem.07-09-12 08:42 PMLike 0 - You're speaking in generalities. This is class-action securities litigation we're talking about, not some slip and fall at the local supermarket. Also, the author of the piece -- who regularly covers RIM for the NY Times -- interviewed a number of law professors, so he's hardly talking out of his backside. Given the short time frame between Thorsten's BB World pronouncements and his announcement of the delay, their could well be fertile ground for proving that at the time of BB World, he knew there would be a delay.
On the most recent BlackBerry 10 delay: "I could actually have kept the schedule, if I had made a sacrifice on quality and on platform stability. I decided not to do that, because I need to make sure that when we deliver a BlackBerry, it is best quality...when we ship BlackBerry 10, we will do it at high quality."
Thorsten Heins
Coupled with that RIM's track record, AND the fact that Canadian law allows RIM to act in the best interest of the COMPANY unlike the US where the Shareholders best interest is to come first.
It's just more people like Jaguar financial with their own agendas trying to get media attention07-09-12 10:52 PMLike 4 - Let's hope for mutiny. My problem with a buyout is that it might not be aimed at saving the company, but at burying BB10 because it has the potential to kill the rest of the buyer's product line. It's happened before.
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07-09-12 11:18 PMLike 0 - Coupled with that RIM's track record, AND the fact that Canadian law allows RIM to act in the best interest of the COMPANY unlike the US where the Shareholders best interest is to come first.
It's just more people like Jaguar financial with their own agendas trying to get media attention
Lawyers Are Looking to Canada for Shareholder Litigation - WSJ.com
Majority Shareholder Commences Litigation Against Canadian Mining Company | Directors and Officers Liability Insurance
: Canadian securities litigation : The D & O Diary
If the lawyers (US or Canadian) want to file a suit, they will find a class of shareholders and do it.
Jaguar is just like everyone else - they want to make money. I have no financial interest in Jaguar (whom I've never heard of) or RIM. Until the stock goes a little lower, at lest.07-10-12 05:11 AMLike 0 - Regardless of RIM's track record, it would have a defense to any suit, which is alluded to in the article, namely that this was just corporate cheerleading by Heins -- "harmless puffery" of the sort engaged in by used car salesmen, and which no one believes. I'm not sure it's enough to discourage suits, though.07-10-12 06:33 AMLike 0
- from what I understand from the article they claim that shareholders would like that RIM brings out BB10 asap, even with errors instead of working a bit longer on it and getting it out with less bugs?07-10-12 08:51 AMLike 0
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