Non-mechanical PKB. Is it really a bad idea?
- Hello,
We all know what is PKB and VKB. Those who ever use a Galaxy Note know what is physical capacitive touch Back/Menu/Home buttons. Those who ever use an iPhone 7 know what is physical force touch Home button. These buttons are examples of _non-mechanical_ physical buttons, or keys, whatever, i.e. physical buttons/keys without moving parts but still provide some tactile feedback. Now, we know what a non-mechanical PKB roughly is.
What do you think about a smartphone with non-mechanical PKB?
The idea has came to me since I dislike both VKB and (mechanical) PKB. I dislike VKB for lack of tactile feel and poor feedback. I dislike (mechanical) PKB for lack of water and dust resistance and durability -- I'm referring to frequent double typing keys and medically dead keys on latter BlackBerry PKBs.
I presented this idea here on CB some years ago under title 'iPhone 7'. It was deleted by moderator. I presented it once again under title 'Passport 2'. It was ignored.
But I still believe the idea can buy you, since good ideas are usually unexpected ones. So now, as the iPhone 7 was released and Passport 2 was (almost surely) known to be never released, ever, I try to present this idea for the third, and last, time.
Thank you.
Posted via CB10/BB PP SE.09-30-16 03:09 PMLike 0 - The idea doesn't appeal to me at all, but I'm open to being persuaded otherwise. I must say, I'm pretty impressed with how my Passport keyboard is holding up. I was worried about it, being exposed all the time, but it's still clean and works perfectly. I really can't imagine being satisfied without the mechanical clickyness though.09-30-16 05:18 PMLike 0
- I dont have an issue with my price keyboard. Kinda like the click. By the same token I like the BlackBerry vkb as well. I can't see where doing different has any benefits but hey each to their own
Posted with my shiny new Priv09-30-16 06:14 PMLike 0 - The idea doesn't appeal to me at all, but I'm open to being persuaded otherwise. I must say, I'm pretty impressed with how my Passport keyboard is holding up. I was worried about it, being exposed all the time, but it's still clean and works perfectly. I really can't imagine being satisfied without the mechanical clickyness though.
And don't laugh, we need to keep our hands and fingers healthy, especially as we age. I don't want arthritis, it can be debilitating. I've had carpal tunnel, and it was awful. I switched back to my Passport from my iPhone SE, and my thumbs already feel healthier (the iPhone SE was causing me a lot of joint pain, and that's not uncommon).
Posted via CB10Yertie likes this.09-30-16 06:47 PMLike 1 - I will say that vkb is catching up now. First time I saw passport's keyboard features, I thought it was great. Until recently I know that many vkb developers has implemented almost the same features. Swipe left to delete, swipe to move the cursor, swipe hold to choose external characters etc. I just found that vkb is all about software that's easier to maintain, develop and update. While pkb is harder to develop because it really depends on the mechanical hardware quality which I always have bad experiences with (double type, each buttons didn't have the same clickiness etc etc).09-30-16 07:13 PMLike 0
- I really hate the swype keyboards. The only thing was they were a little faster than actually typing on a vkb for me. Then I tried bb10 and the BlackBerry vkb was awesome. Still the best vkb available in my opinion. The flick function of both the vkb and pkb on BlackBerry make typing very fast and more importantly accurate for me.
Posted with my shiny new Priv10-11-16 10:21 AMLike 0 - I still wish they would have adopted or perfected this technology....
http://forums.crackberry.com/general...ology-1067756/
It's something of a hybrid of both non-mechanical and mechanical.
"The 99's charms will tug at your heart. Nothing else ever approached such exquisite perfection"-idssteve10-11-16 11:19 AMLike 0 -
- haptic keyboard? you need two sensors based on iphone patent. one to generate vib (just like your joystick fly aircraft of force feedback) and other to cancel the vib at un-wanted area to create localized effect.. if you want it, you pay for it. The physical KB got touch and feel that help for locate keys... especailly, BB keyboard... VKB got benefit of easy for water proof, dust proof and utilize full screen size by remove it when it not in need. if you can voice control everything, eliminate the KB is easy, but not physical key board. haptic, just extension of VKB but more money...10-11-16 02:11 PMLike 0
- The market for such a keyboard would be almost non-existent.
Even the classic physical keyboards are hard to sell because people are actually happy to type on their screens. It's only a small share of people that prefer physical keyboards.
A pkb takes a massive amount of screen away and, in addition, usually makes a phone more bulky.
Now, your keyboard would basically have most of the disadvantages of a classic physical keyboard but without having the feeling of a real keyboard. Where's the point in that?
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android10-11-16 02:27 PMLike 0 - The market for such a keyboard would be almost non-existent.
Even the classic physical keyboards are hard to sell because people are actually happy to type on their screens. It's only a small share of people that prefer physical keyboards.
A pkb takes a massive amount of screen away and, in addition, usually makes a phone more bulky.
Now, your keyboard would basically have most of the disadvantages of a classic physical keyboard but without having the feeling of a real keyboard. Where's the point in that?
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android10-11-16 02:51 PMLike 0 -
-- With a touch force sensor, it can distinguish between touching (ie. swiping) and pressing (ie. typing).
-- With a vibrator, it can provide haptic feedback precisely at the spot you press.
-- Finally with a properly shaped surface, which isn't flatly planar, it can give you the feeling of touching a real keyboard.
Posted via CB10/BB PP SE.10-12-16 10:26 AMLike 0 - Sounds interesting. Is the tactile feel just when you press or before you press? Is the Iphone 7 the only phone using it at the moment?
Posted via CB1010-12-16 11:25 AMLike 0 - You seems to have assumed that a non-mechanical PKB is just a secondary planar touch panel that constantly displays the key layout. It may be such, but not necessarily be such.
-- With a touch force sensor, it can distinguish between touching (ie. swiping) and pressing (ie. typing).
-- With a vibrator, it can provide haptic feedback precisely at the spot you press.
-- Finally with a properly shaped surface, which isn't flatly planar, it can give you the feeling of touching a real keyboard.
Posted via CB10/BB PP SE.10-12-16 12:08 PMLike 0 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersHello,
....
I presented this idea here on CB some years ago under title 'iPhone 7'. It was deleted by moderator. I presented it once again under title 'Passport 2'. It was ignored.
But I still believe the idea can buy you, since good ideas are usually unexpected ones. So now, as the iPhone 7 was released and Passport 2 was (almost surely) known to be never released, ever, I try to present this idea for the third, and last, time.
Thank you.
Posted via CB10/BB PP SE.
;-D
Maybe this "one weird trick" might help...
� "Chenterprise. We are the future. Resistance is futile. Prepare to BBe... " �10-12-16 10:32 PMLike 0 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersWhether such a keyboard can offer any benefits over the traditional PKB strongly depends on the implementation.
If it looks the same, feels the same, and (almost) works the same, I'd be fine... :-)
� "Chenterprise. We are the future. Resistance is futile. Prepare to BBe... " �10-12-16 10:36 PMLike 0 - I agree with stlabrat, in order to make it 'feel' right to the touch you're going to have to put a bunch of sculpting on the keys and it's going to mess with the visibility of any screen under it (see how the light reflects off an actual PKB versus the screen above it) so you pretty much are forced to leave it as permanent keyboard space.
That said, it could be something people could get used to. After switching from the iPhone 6s to the 7, I've gotten used to the home button though it's still palpably different. I wonder how coarse you could get with the haptic feedback and still feel acceptable though (2 regions? 3?)10-12-16 11:28 PMLike 0 - I think there has to be a way to do a PKB good enough to handle dust and water, hopefully not more expensive, but I don't know why there is a huge effort to kill the PKB at all, I don't like the VKB but I think it's just me so far.10-28-16 05:06 PMLike 0
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