No New BB10 Devices What Are We Going To Do Guys
- BlackBerry has been clear for a long time: no new BB10 devices, no development of the Android Runtime, but continued support through security and maintenance patches. I see no deception.LazyEvul and Elephant_Canyon like this.01-08-16 10:51 AMLike 2
- No disrespect, but I totally disagree. Blackberry has been clear as MUD. They send out conflicting messages, they don't have a consistent story, and they constantly try to misdirect or obfuscate. I know that they have little choice and that a clear message would likely cause the company serious hardship. But let's be honest - the last thing you could say about Blackberry messaging is that it's clear.01-08-16 11:44 AMLike 4
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- No disrespect, but I totally disagree. Blackberry has been clear as MUD. They send out conflicting messages, they don't have a consistent story, and they constantly try to misdirect or obfuscate. I know that they have little choice and that a clear message would likely cause the company serious hardship. But let's be honest - the last thing you could say about Blackberry messaging is that it's clear.01-08-16 11:56 AMLike 0
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- I agree. Some people here rather the company go bankrupt (pumping money into something that isn't selling) than adjusting strategy to survive. Maslow's Hierarchy of Need for a company... it needs to survive before worry about social commitments.01-08-16 12:02 PMLike 0
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- No. That's kind of my point. I can't point at any Blackberry messaging that distinctly says much of anything at all about the development direction. I know the messaging you are referring to - but it is not mainstream and it is not consistently delivered by leadership.techvisor likes this.01-08-16 12:05 PMLike 1
- What am I going to do..? Wait and see what 2017 brings. My phones will last at least that long, so I'll see if there are any new BlackBerry 10 devices then. "All in" for 2016? Fine. The fact that BlackBerry is seeking certification for BlackBerry 10 should mean something. If it doesn't, well -- I'll drive off that bridge when I get to it.01-08-16 12:16 PMLike 0
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Furthermore, for whatever reason, I've always been clear on what I've heard from BlackBerry.Last edited by conite; 01-08-16 at 12:54 PM.
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Z30STA100-5 / 10.3.2.2876 / T-Mobile USA01-08-16 12:37 PMLike 0 - Strengthen the things that remain.
Microsoft/Nokia still sell feature phones used by millions of people, that sell for under $50 each. They don't aim to topple the dominance of Apple or Anrdoid with these phones. They simply market to a particular niche.
Where there's a market, there's a way.gmsm likes this.01-08-16 01:08 PMLike 1 -
From CNET, in an interview with Chen, but it's also elsewhere where Chen is directly quoted: "Chen also hopes the Priv will help improve the company's viability, repair the brand and eventually make it possible to produce another phone running BlackBerry 10 -- although he said it's too early to talk about those plans."
In what way is Chen being "honest and open" about the future of BB10 in the above quote?
Does anyone seriously believe BB10 phones are coming back?
To echo Kirson's point, Chen is deliberately misdirecting and obfuscating on the future of BB10. Anyone with hope for the re-birth of BB10 is going to seize on the above statement as "proof" that BB10 isn't done... coz Chen has said there are "plans". In the same way that people are already seizing on Chen words about BB10 updates as "proof" that BB10 has a future and will be further developed.
I do like Chen (an increasingly unpopular view around here ), in that I think he's possibly the most effective CEO BB have ever had in terms of keeping the BB ship afloat long after I thought it was bound to sink... and may actually succeed in saving BB (though the BB he saves may no longer be of interest to the typical CB'er )... but "honest and open" aren't terms I would ever use to describe him. He's a master of ambiguous statements that cannot ever be labelled as outright lies, but are nonetheless designed to mislead.01-08-16 01:36 PMLike 6 - I can...
From CNET, in an interview with Chen, but it's also elsewhere where Chen is directly quoted: "Chen also hopes the Priv will help improve the company's viability, repair the brand and eventually make it possible to produce another phone running BlackBerry 10 -- although he said it's too early to talk about those plans."
In what way is Chen being "honest and open" about the future of BB10 in the above quote?
Does anyone seriously believe BB10 phones are coming back?
To echo Kirson's point, Chen is deliberately misdirecting and obfuscating on the future of BB10. .
If his handset division is flush with money a year from now, I could see him slap an 801 in a Classic or Leap body for his high-secure customers in a low-volume production run. Although I think that cash scenario is highly unlikely.DueNorthBB likes this.01-08-16 01:47 PMLike 1 -
However, I have yet to see a single statement from Chen that is clear, unambiguous and associated with a timeline.
He's good, is Chen.kirson likes this.01-08-16 01:53 PMLike 1 - 01-08-16 01:54 PMLike 0
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The fact that many business act unethically doesn't make unethical behavior somehow not unethical. It's just that consumers by and large are not bothered to fight or complain, so the unethical behaviour becomes the new normal.01-08-16 02:40 PMLike 2 - I think he may be trying to be very candid. Look at things he said they were trying to fix, like their image. I don't think he knows today whether there will be a handset division of any size in a year and is being honest about that.DueNorthBB and brookie229 like this.01-08-16 02:43 PMLike 2
- There are contrarian customers for sure: people who actively avoid "popular" products and media properties. It took me YEARS to get my partner to watch Friends, now he loves it, but didn't even watch it at all when it was originally aired. He'd fit right in with that study (he runs Linux Mint as his desktop OS, doesn't own a smartphone, etc. etc.)01-08-16 02:44 PMLike 0
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You know, Google created the OHA with the sole purpose of taking out Apple/iPhone and RIM/BlackBerry. Google created the Nexus phone with the idea of it being free (subsidized by ad revenues, what else?). Then they were going to charge $99 for it unlocked. The carriers laughed at them, told Google to get lost. Google was also one of Net Neutrality's loudest proponent; Verizon, one of its most staunch critics. Guess what? Google ultimately sided with Verizon, the Nexus shot up to $500, and tossed everything "don't be evil" into the trash.
To add, it was not that long ago when BlackBerry joined forces with MS, Apple, and a few others to outbid Google on some patents that went up for auction. Now, somehow Google/Android is our best friend?
Spot on. A lot of BB10 fans are inherently contrarian people in the first place - which is why they owned non-mainstream products before BB10 and why they plan to move to WinPhone or Tizen or some other micro-niche rather than iOS or Android. These people simply avoid anything mainstream - often because they think they are smarter than everyone else and/or that "mainstream" users are always "dumb sheep". They also are attracted to the drama that comes with niche products - the cycle of joy in discovering something new and unique, followed by the tension of wondering if it will last, and eventually the anger when it eventually fails - or worse, eventually becomes mainstream.
They're also the ones constantly talking about "loyal users" and "loyal supporters", as if loyalty, perceived or real, is more important than mainstream success or profits (to almost any company, it isn't). I've definitely seen this before in other areas besides the smartphone world.
Yeah, I am that person. I have considered Tizen, Jolla Sailfish, Ubuntu Phone, and WinPhone. But for me it is not about simply being obscure, it has more to do with the smaller vendors doing stuff that the big dogs are not. Typically, stuff that is mainstream has a certain amount of safeness (blandness) to it, otherwise it would not appeal to so many people. Now would I actually get one of those phones? Likely only WinPhone. I am not against the iPhone or even Android (but I do side with Cynogenmod with their desire to take Android away from Google), just mostly not a fan of Google. I do like some of the Android handsets, though.
And if I get the Priv, I know that a BlackBerry powered by Android upsets some peopletechvisor likes this.01-08-16 02:47 PMLike 1 -
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