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You just don't like the answers to the question you asked...
I don't care about how many were sold, I bought 3 pb's. To me it's a failure because it can't email anywhere near what any other bb product can, including my storm
I say this, as I'm using one of the three to post this....07-03-12 10:55 PM - Why are you here!Flawed analogy. You've used it before (and most likely will again), but hey...
If iOS devices were cheap and used the technological equivalent of mystery meat to keep prices low, you would have a logical argument. In the category that it exists in, all things being equal, Mickey D is king, much like Symbian holds court in lower end devices.
Now, I believe there are very few people that would pick a Big Mac when filet mignon is available FOR THE SAME PRICE. Not too many people would pick a bicycle if a BMW costs the same.
Apple wins even though they charge a premium. In the premium category, Apple wins.
Now, I'm off to wait for you to angrily ask those who disagree with you why they are here.
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People project too much.
I don't think I do that too often but I'm sure I've done it more than once. I've done it recently to someone who only seems to show up when there is bad news, seems lame to me and I'll definitely say it again.
No analogy is perfect. But I think saying the PB is a failure due to sales is a weird way to think about things. Cause seriously, I own one and it does every thing I want and its only going to get better. It is logical to call something a failure if it doesnt sell well, but to the individual I don't see how it matters. I get the argument theres less people to videochat with or possibly less support but we've seen RIM is committed to it.
I still think its dumb the PB gets branded a failure when theres seems to be a lot of bigger failures out there. I think its more of an non-BB user to base their definition of failure on sales.07-04-12 01:52 AM - On second thought. Never mind. I just read this post, which pretty much gives me an ideal of where this conversation will more than likely lead.
Sounds like you simply don't like the answers given as to why others think the PB is a failure.
fanbots and sheep? Really?
Sales mean little to me and I don't define success of a product for myself based on sales. I get other people see apple as the be all end all and just care about how many other people bought the same product as the only thing that matters. I base success of something as it pertains to me, an individual because again I use what works best for me. I never say, 'oh, everyone is buying that, I will too'. The masses are often wrong.
The PB is a success to me becuase it is a great product:
1. It has amazing, unmatched multitasking
2. It has in my opinion a great ever expanding app selection
3. An amazing screen, dual speakers
4. Great cameras, which I can use when videochatting with my parents
5. Its RIMs first release of a QNX device and it has got it into the publics hands
6. Phenominal UI, makes using other products feel inferior and rudimentary
7. It will continue to receive updates and support, including BB10
8. It allows bridge which allows several things such as viewing email on a larger screen, using BBM and sharing my data plan.
9. It serves an entirely different purpose than my phone. Isn't just a bigger screen.
10. Its been over a year and the specs are still comparable to anything out there.
11. Its allowed RIM to develop the OS and grow their app catalog for the upcoming bb10 platform. This is extremely important.
etc.
To me it is far superior to any other tablet, and its just getting started. If RIM hadn't released the PB it would have been seen as vaporware. Its actuaully pretty amazing how quickly they brought it to market. To me the tablet market was too immature when RIM released their device and with poor mindshare and reviews upon its release it didn't perform well. Relative to the other non-apple tablets it has faired well.
If you base success on sales thats fine. But relatively then the PB isn't quite the failure people make it out to be seeing as how cisco and hp both discontinued their tablets and I'm pretty sure non of the other tablets, minus kindle and ipad, haven't performed well. I'd consider the kindle a failure since its specs are so poor and is purely a consumption device. Most who consider the PB a failure probably don't have one and are basing it on sales relative the apple.
I guess I should add that I'm not of the opinion RIM is selling them at a loss but that would be a different discussion. They've sold out of the 16G and this shows there is some sort of demand. Again, from a previous post, it is their foot in the door for mobile computing.
Apparently my analogies aren't very good but I'll try one more. Going through school I didn't always get as high as grades as I wanted even though I aimed for the highest possible but in the end I learned enough to achieve the goals I wanted. I would never consider bumps I had on the way failures as I would learn from them to attain success.Last edited by hurds; 07-04-12 at 05:54 AM.
07-04-12 05:09 AM - Flawed analogy. You've used it before (and most likely will again), but hey...
If iOS devices were cheap and used the technological equivalent of mystery meat to keep prices low, you would have a logical argument. In the category that it exists in, all things being equal, Mickey D is king, much like Symbian holds court in lower end devices.
Now, I believe there are very few people that would pick a Big Mac when filet mignon is available FOR THE SAME PRICE. Not too many people would pick a bicycle if a BMW costs the same.
Apple wins even though they charge a premium. In the premium category, Apple wins.
Now, I'm off to wait for you to angrily ask those who disagree with you why they are here.
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When I first read this I was confused but I think I figured it out. It doesn't make sense with what I am saying.
Two different definitions of success:
1) Sales
2) Good product
I'm arguing against the thought that only the thing that sells the most should be considered a success. This is irrespective of price. Hooray for apple that they 'win the premium category'.
My point with Big Macs is just because they are a sales success it doesn't mean they are a product success.
I'm saying that people who think RIM is a product failure come to that erroneous conclusion based on it being a sales 'failure' (but in other posts I've made the case its not even a sales failure) much like they come to the conclusion the ipad is a product success based on sales success. They don't think to themselves whether its a good product, they just base it on sales (sheep). They may come to the same conclusion that a big mac is a product success (2) based off sales success (1). - I'll point out not all people make these erroneous conclusions but Im sure a large percentage does.
But if you don't agree with that its cool cause now I kinda understand this whole success/failure definition thing better myself and I think my analogy isn't so bad.
But what I get from your post is that you think the iPaid is a superior product to the PB but thats not what I'm talking about.Last edited by hurds; 07-04-12 at 05:43 AM.
07-04-12 05:38 AM - I wouldn't say it was at all a huge success, but the fact that they are still being manufactured and sold (even now at reduced cost) to me says they haven't failed. When the Playbook is no more, I would agree it was a failure. I know many people, including myself, who own a Playbook and love it.07-05-12 02:05 PM
