New BlackBerry 10 Device coming? COO says maybe
- I used plenty BB devices, I like most customers were in a position to bin BB as main devices. BB10 returned. Like most consumers also gauge Android on any device as a poor security system.
BB could not turn around public perception of themselves from a market high of mobile security, did the CEO really think he could turn around Androids security public perc�ption with a BB logo....lunacy.
Reminds me of MG cars, early Rover MG logos and then SAIC...them MG's are still not selling a decade later after the SAIC takeover.
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Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidDrBoomBotz likes this.08-10-16 07:22 AMLike 1 -
3 operating systems in 5 years, even a teenager with minimal life experience knows thats unlikely to work for a company. But BB ? lol08-10-16 09:48 AMLike 0 - Marketing or consumer demands. 6 billion consumers and how much marketshare, even Microsoft has a grace of a major OS which it evolves, 3 different BB OS in 5 years - its a mental health issue, BB does not know what it is all about, let alone its mass appeal...SECURITY + Android = confidence ? hahaha. Joke.
3 operating systems in 5 years, even a teenager with minimal life experience knows thats unlikely to work for a company. But BB ? lol
2. BB10 failed in the market and it was too expensive to maintain.
3. Android was the hard choice that had to be made considering the reality of the two previous operating systems, remember that BlackBerry is a much smaller company now than it was at the height of it's success.
Android may or may not succeed but the other options were off the table for the reasons listed above and probably some more that have not been mentioned.
Somehow I doubt I will change your opinion but there it is.08-10-16 10:00 AMLike 0 - If I remember correctly carriers were glad to get away from BIS. They hated having to pay BlackBerry for it. I don't know what it actually cost them to have it but they were basically tripping over themselves to get out of BIS contracts. Carriers are apparently cheap (Lol how many big businesses aren't) and preferred to sell iPhone and android with no fee to their manufacturers. Even if an updated BIS was only 99 cents per phone I'm not sure carriers would cooperate. Big business doesn't like to spend what they don't have too.
BB could buy data transport worldwide alot cheaper than a national carrier or even multi national as big as Vodafone. It had buying leverage, carriers are paying more for data with the bill uncapped at their door now. BB - its leveraging itself over the top of a big hole with numerous CEO able to firm grip.
Whats BB unique selling point these days ? BIS ? security ? hardware ?
Answer: Android!
You couldnt make it up! lol08-10-16 10:02 AMLike 0 - Big business likes revenue, if BB 'were' not superior and making themselves and carriers money BB BIS would have been long gone before Heins manic decision to replace it with inferior .
BB could buy data transport worldwide alot cheaper than a national carrier or even multi national as big as Vodafone. It had buying leverage, carriers are paying more for data with the bill uncapped at their door now. BB - its leveraging itself over the top of a big hole with numerous CEO able to firm grip.
Whats BB unique selling point these days ? BIS ? security ? hardware ?
Answer: Android!
You couldnt make it up! lol08-10-16 10:14 AMLike 0 - 1. BBOS needed to be replaced because it was no longer fit for puropose and hard to extend.
2. BB10 failed in the market and it was too expensive to maintain.
3. Android was the hard choice that had to be made considering the reality of the two previous operating systems, remember that BlackBerry is a much smaller company now than it was at the height of it's success.
Android may or may not succeed but the other options were off the table for the reasons listed above and probably some more that have not been mentioned.
Somehow I doubt I will change your opinion but there it is.
BB10 failed because BIS was excluded. People en masse loved BIS not brand BB.
What kind of company removes their unique offering and revenue source and expects it to succeed...
Android was not the only option, admit the error of your ways and step back, BIS on market leading handsets would set BB brand and revenues on a upward spiral, Android will not do it, public perception is Android is the least secure OS and for reason. Buying a BB device now means Google has your data...a long shot from RIM stance on security.
I would happily load BBOS7 on a Z30...but wheres the option for me to give BB a sale and monthly revenue income, like management not existent.
I wont change my mind, correct, like the millions who left BB devices behind. Nothing unique selling point about BB10 nor Android. NOTHING to offer the market to grow the company.
And in business thats what you do, grow.08-10-16 10:15 AMLike 0 - Carriers also like control. Just look at OS updates. They didn't want to have to pay and rely on BB. I don't believe BlackBerry willingly gave up BIS. That would be madness. It was probably more like "If your new phones require BIS we won't carry them. We already have Android and iOS."
Apple and Microsoft are going for OS control, Android by its very security flaw allows carriers such control it is a security issue. I mean with Windows becoming one OS like Apple and also open to third parties surely it made sense to DTEK on Windows Phone 10 not Android given its market share is massive when grouped into Windows as a whole as the future will be.
Even having a BIS subscription that allows use of a (VPN) BB browser on Windows - W phone, PC, tablets - enhanced online security.
Nope, lets get rid of BIS and end up going with Android ?
Its a complete joke.08-10-16 10:22 AMLike 0 - Carriers data costs are costing them a bomb compared to BB BIS fees, you bet they want to bring that cost down, shortsighted of both carrier and BB to not see data use would continue going the opposite way of BB market share and share price.
Apple and Microsoft are going for OS control, Android by its very security flaw allows carriers such control it is a security issue. I mean with Windows becoming one OS like Apple and also open to third parties surely it made sense to DTEK on Windows Phone 10 not Android given its market share is massive when grouped into Windows as a whole as the future will be.08-10-16 10:24 AMLike 0 -
Its time had come and gone by the time they went to BB10.
They replaced BBOS with BB10 not Android. LOL!
Android was not the only option, admit the error of your ways and step back, BIS on market leading handsets would set BB brand and revenues on a upward spiral, Android will not do it, public perception is Android is the least secure OS and for reason. Buying a BB device now means Google has your data...a long shot from RIM stance on security.
As I said BIS was not going to work.
On second thought, I doubt it.
You are just SOL.
But BIS would still be a problem because the carriers don't want it.Last edited by DrBoomBotz; 08-10-16 at 10:35 AM. Reason: BBOS7 is not going to happen again.
08-10-16 10:26 AMLike 0 - Marketing or consumer demands. 6 billion consumers and how much marketshare, even Microsoft has a grace of a major OS which it evolves, 3 different BB OS in 5 years - its a mental health issue, BB does not know what it is all about, let alone its mass appeal...SECURITY + Android = confidence ? hahaha. Joke.
3 operating systems in 5 years, even a teenager with minimal life experience knows thats unlikely to work for a company. But BB ? lol08-10-16 10:37 AMLike 0 - The carriers didn't wan't BIS and neither did the customers.
Its time had come and gone by the time they went to BB10.
They replaced BBOS with BB10 not Android. LOL!
They did when it made sense but then things changed.
One that realises it will not work in the market going forward.
I choose not to argue whether or not android was the only option, but its the one they took considering the circumstances they faced.
As I said BIS was not going to work.
Well if you can afford 10-15 million units for your personal stock they might accommodate you.
But BIS would still be a problem because the carriers don't want it.
They have replaced superior BBOS with Android. FACT.
Well have BB proven that in anyway at all ? Look at the demise on that decision, and the ongoing denial they were wrong to BB long term position in the market since.
Incorrect BIS was working, nothing since has.
Consumers drive a market not carriers. If I had the cash I would buy 51% not bail BB out with my own BIS subscriptions...think sense boy!08-10-16 10:40 AMLike 0 - That's not how market share works. 350 million is the pie and the slice that goes to BlackBerry is about 650k. If the pie was 6 billion BlackBerry's slice would be 12 million and they would be quite happy about that. Android has close to 85% market share and if BlackBerry took 2% it's over 5 million units.
5 million Android units...come on, not going to happen.08-10-16 10:43 AMLike 0 -
- Customers wanted security and data costs capped...and still do, BIS subs were falling as the hardware was lacklustre.
They have replaced superior BBOS with Android. FACT.
Well have BB proven that in anyway at all ? Look at the demise on that decision, and the ongoing denial they were wrong to BB long term position in the market since.
Incorrect BIS was working, nothing since has.
Consumers drive a market not carriers. If I had the cash I would buy 51% not bail BB out with my own BIS subscriptions...think sense boy!
All the juice was squeezed out of BBOS, and it could not be extended anymore. It was beyond the end of its life cycle, and had to be replaced. Consumers were already leaving in droves because the BlackBerry offering was no longer capable of delivering what people wanted.
The gamble was to adopt Android or go it alone. We know what happened. It was over by the summer of 2013 when the big apps never came - and it almost buried the company amid billion dollar loses.app_Developer and world traveler and former ceo like this.08-10-16 11:03 AMLike 2 - We don't know how much has BlackBerry10 sold and how many are still working. Anyway BlackBerry knows these numbers so they can maybe bet on another BB10 device if developement costs are covered by other sellings or can be covered by sellings inferences.
Someone said that BlackBerry10 sellings are low but still steady after all these years while Priv is already near to zero...
Posted via CB1008-10-16 11:07 AMLike 0 - BIS cannot handle the bandwidth of modern smartphones. Consumers are media hungry. The world can't be routed through a BlackBerry server farm anymore.
All the juice was squeezed out of BBOS, and it could not be extended anymore. It was beyond the end of its life cycle, and had to be replaced. Consumers were already leaving in droves because the BlackBerry offering was no longer capable of delivering what people wanted.
The gamble was to adopt Android or go it alone. We know what happened. It was over by the summer of 2013 when the big apps never came - and it almost buried the company amid billion dollar loses.
Compression can be eased, fact of life. Have a backbone? Use backbone..08-10-16 11:09 AMLike 0 -
Less compression would simply compound the bandwidth problem.08-10-16 11:14 AMLike 0 - We don't know how much has BlackBerry10 sold and how many are still working. Anyway BlackBerry knows these numbers so they can maybe bet on another BB10 device if developement costs are covered by other sellings or can be covered by sellings inferences.
Someone said that BlackBerry10 sellings are low but still steady after all these years while Priv is already near to zero...
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BB is selling devices to BB badge fanbois not security or hardware buffs, but niche markets need niche pricing and most fanbois wont pay the price for a Android handset near Apple specs or costs. Thus BB has backed itself into a even worse corner than Heins did...at least he 'tried' something (prematurely) for all his failures.
For those in doubt BB are now not a niche market, are like long term management in denial.08-10-16 11:15 AMLike 0 - So what do you do then ? invest in your main income infrastructure or hang it out to pasture, hhhmmm lets ask AT&T, Britosh Telecom, Orange (France Telecom), etc etc what they did.08-10-16 11:20 AMLike 0
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There is no one arguing that BBOS had to be put down. That is obvious.
The question is what BlackBerry should have done next - their own proprietary OS (which was going to be 3 years late to the party) or adopt Android. We saw what happened. Of course hindsight is 20/20.08-10-16 11:25 AMLike 0 - That's why BIS/BBOS was abandoned. It was not scalable in any reasonable sense. It's time was over.
There is no one arguing that BBOS had to be put down. That is obvious.
The question is what BlackBerry should have done next. Their own proprietary OS or adopt Android. We saw what happened. Of course hindsight is 20/20.
BIS was and still remains BB core product and still is scalable more than BB10 was or Android ever will be.
A business core should always go back to what they are/were good at, (plus points if that is a USP) and improve on it, not dilute itself with various CEO's or OS in a uber short period. A great CEO knows this. A decent CEO only plugs the cash holes. A good CEO raises sales and cash.
Where is the current BB CEO...
In business hindsight means f all, esp if you are ignoring it/in denial.
BB will fold/sell out, thats Chen intention...not a niche market. Chen share options dictate selling on because well thats obvious
Can he keep afloat on niche customers until then is the question. With Android ? Doubtful.08-10-16 11:39 AMLike 0 - Time has proven to BB management what its customers were always aware of, thats not 20/20, thats (continued) denial. BIS was what was BB core of everything, not QNX, not Android, not a standalone OS but a backhaul (SECURE) ecosystem connection and OS.
BIS was and still remains BB core product and still is scalable more than BB10 was or Android ever will be.
A business core should always go back to what they are/were good at, (plus points if that is a USP) and improve on it, not dilute itself with various CEO's or OS in a uber short period. A great CEO knows this. A decent CEO only plugs the cash holes. A good CEO raises sales and cash.
Where is the current BB CEO...
In business hindsight means f all, esp if you are ignoring it/in denial.
BB will fold/sell out, thats Chen intention...not a niche market.TgeekB and world traveler and former ceo like this.08-10-16 11:41 AMLike 2
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