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  1. conite's Avatar
    My BE KeyOne notes 10.1GB
    Yes. But like I said, that doesn't tell the complete story. Not everything installed with an autoloader goes to system space.

    The extra 4.6 GB (compressed) of the Samsung OS image (over the Pixel) isn't filled with cooking recipes.
    Last edited by conite; 02-06-21 at 08:22 PM.
    02-06-21 07:58 PM
  2. bh7171's Avatar
    A71 5G on One UI 2.5 Need Advice. Best Android Phone to Replace My KEYone?-screenshot_20210206-175812_settings.jpg
    02-06-21 07:59 PM
  3. Ben xfg's Avatar
    Yes. But like I said, that doesn't tell the complete story. Not everything installed with an autoloader goes to system space.

    The extra 4.6 GB (compressed) of the Samsung OS image (over the Pixel) isn't filled with cooking recipes.
    And, if we're gauging system size of various OEMs' devices, they must all be freshly wiped, as system apps and their respective app data and cache size would interfere with results.
    02-06-21 08:40 PM
  4. the_boon's Avatar
    Wow, 29.5GB on my Note 10+

    Good thing base storage of 32GB is a thing of the past lolNeed Advice. Best Android Phone to Replace My KEYone?-screenshot_20210206-215403_settings.jpg
    02-06-21 08:54 PM
  5. chain13's Avatar
    And, if we're gauging system size of various OEMs' devices, they must all be freshly wiped, as system apps and their respective app data and cache size would interfere with results.
    True..
    02-07-21 01:06 AM
  6. chain13's Avatar
    Wow, 29.5GB on my Note 10+

    Good thing base storage of 32GB is a thing of the past lolClick image for larger version. 

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    Are tou using all the system apps?
    02-07-21 01:07 AM
  7. the_boon's Avatar
    Are tou using all the system apps?
    Not all, I disabled some crap ones like AR Doodle.
    02-07-21 07:30 AM
  8. Neely2005's Avatar
    I wanted to thank everyone for their advice.

    I ended up ordering a Pixel 5 from Google Canada for $799 CAD.

    I went with the Pixel 5 due to the Size, Camera, Battery Life, Vanilla Android, Less Bloatware and the Extra Android OS Update.

    This will be the first time ever that my Smartphone isn't a BlackBerry. My first Smartphone was a BlackBerry Bold 9700.
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    02-07-21 06:54 PM
  9. conite's Avatar
    I wanted to thank everyone for their advice.

    I ended up ordering a Pixel 5 from Google Canada for $799 CAD.

    I went with the Pixel 5 due to the Size, Camera, Battery Life, Vanilla Android, Less Bloatware and the Extra Android OS Update.

    This will be the first time ever that my Smartphone isn't a BlackBerry. My first Smartphone was a BlackBerry Bold 9700.
    It's my first non-BlackBerry as primary since 2007. It was a flip-phone prior to that!
    Neely2005 likes this.
    02-07-21 07:03 PM
  10. the_boon's Avatar
    I wanted to thank everyone for their advice.

    I ended up ordering a Pixel 5 from Google Canada for $799 CAD.

    I went with the Pixel 5 due to the Size, Camera, Battery Life, Vanilla Android, Less Bloatware and the Extra Android OS Update.

    This will be the first time ever that my Smartphone isn't a BlackBerry. My first Smartphone was a BlackBerry Bold 9700.
    Solid choice for a slab!!


    I'd keep the KEYone around for occasional messaging or just anything you can use the keyboard for.

    I wouldnt want to own only my KEY2's just like I wouldn't want to just own a slab and not them.
    Neely2005 likes this.
    02-07-21 07:18 PM
  11. chain13's Avatar
    I wanted to thank everyone for their advice.

    I ended up ordering a Pixel 5 from Google Canada for $799 CAD.

    I went with the Pixel 5 due to the Size, Camera, Battery Life, Vanilla Android, Less Bloatware and the Extra Android OS Update.

    This will be the first time ever that my Smartphone isn't a BlackBerry. My first Smartphone was a BlackBerry Bold 9700.
    Good choice, zero trade off
    Neely2005 likes this.
    02-07-21 11:16 PM
  12. RoadTrip3500's Avatar
    After 3 years and 3 months with the KEYone (AT&T locked version), I replaced it with a Samsung A71 5G (T-Mobile locked version). The A71 is somewhat larger, but that feels better in my hand to me. The virtual keyboard is sufficiently large enough that I am not constantly making typos. It currently has Android 10, but is already in process to receive Android 11 in a couple months, according to TMo. The A71 is definitely more powerful, and came with 128 GB onboard storage plus the 128 GB microSD I brought over from the K1.
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    02-08-21 02:33 PM
  13. bh7171's Avatar
    After 3 years and 3 months with the KEYone (AT&T locked version), I replaced it with a Samsung A71 5G (T-Mobile locked version). The A71 is somewhat larger, but that feels better in my hand to me. The virtual keyboard is sufficiently large enough that I am not constantly making typos. It currently has Android 10, but is already in process to receive Android 11 in a couple months, according to TMo. The A71 is definitely more powerful, and came with 128 GB onboard storage plus the 128 GB microSD I brought over from the K1.
    A71 5G is a great all touch slab that will be supported for many OS updates (until Android 14) and years to come.

    I would recommend holding onto the KeyOne on your wifi. I have a Black Edition KeyOne I picked up new in early '19. I upgraded my S9 in August to the A71 5G for 42 dollars in tax due primarily for the updates and straight across trade in.

    My take since then is the A71 does everything very well and straightforward. For me the size is a bit bigger than I would ultimately prefer. I would prefer a 6.2 in screen used as well as this larger 6.7 is and with a 4500 battery.

    Until early January I was using my BE @ the house. To check out wifi calling I threw my SIM back in the BE. I since have a renewed appreciation for the BE and its engineering and physical size. I have enjoyed the physical manipulation of the PKB, shortcuts and size so much that the A71 is now relegated to wifi status. And it doesn't see that much usage because of my Fire HD8 plus that does all things around the house so well for larger screen, reading books and entertainment.
    02-08-21 03:58 PM
  14. bh7171's Avatar
    And I still get 2 day battery life from my BE, like the A71 5G. And the single camera of the BE takes damn good images in all but the lowest light.
    the_boon likes this.
    02-08-21 03:59 PM
  15. bh7171's Avatar
    Shot of my handsome dog Sully out for his AM stroll with the BE. Need Advice. Best Android Phone to Replace My KEYone?-img_20210208_1146243-3.jpg
    02-08-21 04:02 PM
  16. conite's Avatar
    A71 5G is a great all touch slab that will be supported for many OS updates (until Android 14) and years to come.

    I would recommend holding onto the KeyOne on your wifi. I have a Black Edition KeyOne I picked up new in early '19. I upgraded my S9 in August to the A71 5G for 42 dollars in tax due primarily for the updates and straight across trade in.

    My take since then is the A71 does everything very well and straightforward. For me the size is a bit bigger than I would ultimately prefer. I would prefer a 6.2 in screen used as well as this larger 6.7 is and with a 4500 battery.

    Until early January I was using my BE @ the house. To check out wifi calling I threw my SIM back in the BE. I since have a renewed appreciation for the BE and its engineering and physical size. I have enjoyed the physical manipulation of the PKB, shortcuts and size so much that the A71 is now relegated to wifi status. And it doesn't see that much usage because of my Fire HD8 plus that does all things around the house so well for larger screen, reading books and entertainment.
    Android 13 will be the last. Same as the A51 and all of the S20s.

    They were launched with Android 10 and will get 3 upgrades.
    Last edited by conite; 02-08-21 at 05:50 PM.
    02-08-21 05:28 PM
  17. bh7171's Avatar
    Android 13 will be the last. Same as the A51 and all of the S20s.

    They were launched with Android 10 and will get 3 upgrades.
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    Yep until Android 14 drops. And security patches at least a year beyond so 4-5 years. BUT by then all security and or updates will likely be parsed out and updated through the GPS as apps are today continually scanned and removed if necessary.
    02-08-21 05:54 PM
  18. conite's Avatar
    Yep until Android 14 drops. And security patches at least a year beyond so 4-5 years.
    I don't understand this post.

    The stated commitment is 3 upgrades. So, Android 13.

    You can speculate all you want about how the future may change, but this is as it stands now.

    Not to mention that when policy changes, it normally does not apply retroactively.
    Last edited by conite; 02-08-21 at 06:06 PM.
    02-08-21 05:55 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    by then all security and or updates will likely be parsed out and updated through the GPS
    Again, there is no basis for this assessment.

    Low level components will always require firmware updates. Project Mainline was able to break out some high-level modules for Play System Updates to handle, but there is a limit.
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    02-08-21 05:59 PM
  20. bh7171's Avatar
    I don't understand this post.

    The stated commitment is 3 upgrades. So, Android 13.

    You can speculate all you want about how the future may change, but this is as it stands now.

    Not to mention that when policy changes, it normally does not apply retroactively.
    What don't you understand? The A71 will be on the latest version of Android OS or Android 13 until @ September of 2023 when Android 14 will likely formally release.
    02-08-21 06:17 PM
  21. bh7171's Avatar
    Again, there is no basis for this assessment.

    Low level components will always require firmware updates. Project Mainline was able to break out some high-level modules for Play System Updates to handle, but there is a limit.
    Treble, Mainline and whatever is next. Google really since @ 2016 has been handling many critical updates through GPS as you are aware. It's why you don't see people massively compromised with older OS's and devices. Google and Apple handle updates in a different but almost equitable manner to secure devices and users.

    We ALL know the numero uno attack vector is apps and each are very diligent about ensuring those are safe and or removed if necessary.
    02-08-21 06:22 PM
  22. conite's Avatar
    What don't you understand? The A71 will be on the latest version of Android OS or Android 13 until @ September of 2023 when Android 14 will likely formally release.
    I still don't understand. The A71 will finish at Android 13 regardless of dates.
    02-08-21 06:24 PM
  23. conite's Avatar
    Treble, Mainline and whatever is next. Google really since @ 2016 has been handling many critical updates through GPS as you are aware. It's why you don't see people massively compromised with older OS's and devices. Google and Apple handle updates in a different but almost equitable manner to secure devices and users.

    We ALL know the numero uno attack vector is apps and each are very diligent about ensuring those are safe and or removed if necessary.
    That's all great, but we're not discussing any of that.

    The fact is, low level updates will always require new firmware.

    If some new technique is discovered in the future, it certainly wouldn't apply to any hardware on the market now.
    02-08-21 06:26 PM
  24. Bfalcon1's Avatar
    What email app do you use?
    02-09-21 07:19 PM
  25. Bfalcon1's Avatar
    That's all great, but we're not discussing any of that.

    The fact is, low level updates will always require new firmware.

    If some new technique is discovered in the future, it certainly wouldn't apply to any hardware on the market now.
    What email app do you use?
    02-09-21 07:20 PM
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