Is the media "debranding" RIM ?
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(RIM is projecting 12 million units for the current quarter, 14 for last quarter. Those are sell-in numbers. The gap gets wider and wider each passing quarter.)decypher44 likes this.01-11-12 01:48 PMLike 1 - Funny, I thought RIM had 75 million subscribers already. Or are we talking USA only?
I personally don't think RIM needs to be 1st. For the better part of it, they aren't because of bad choises they made. Which leads us BACK TO THE TOPIC of the way the media is treating them.01-11-12 02:13 PMLike 0 - The PC platform race resulted in one platform winning (Windows) and one honorable mention (Mac). Everyone else got left in the ditch (Amiga, OS/2, Be, etc.) or fell into a narrow niche (team Linux)
So far the mobile race has one clear leader (team Android), one in a respectable second place (iOS). The leader after the first lap (RIM) is quickly falling back into a race for third. And only now are they finally starting to understand why they lost the lead so abruptly.
But until they start closing the gap on the leaders (35 million smartphones from Samsung this quarter, and probably 30 million iPhones and 10+ million iPads), no one outside of their fanbase is going to take RIM seriously yet.
Yet!
1. Do not count Amiga out. Go to Amiga forums, those folks still think the media is giving Amiga a bad rap and that no competing platform has even caught up with Amiga yet. It's haunting, really, some of the familiar phrases.
2. Team Android combined, all makers, is earnng about 1/4 of the gross profit that single member team iOS is making from mobile devices. So we need a little clarity about the scorekeeping... is a win millions of cheap BOGO Android phones that will never run the current OS and most of which will never generate aftermarket revenue in order to eek out a unit win, or is it money, they stuff you deposit in the bank.app_Developer likes this.01-11-12 02:20 PMLike 1 - 2. Team Android combined, all makers, is earnng about 1/4 of the gross profit that single member team iOS is making from mobile devices. So we need a little clarity about the scorekeeping... is a win millions of cheap BOGO Android phones that will never run the current OS and most of which will never generate aftermarket revenue in order to eek out a unit win, or is it money, they stuff you deposit in the bank.
But we also do game work, and paid app work, and for those iOS is clearly still #1. Their customers actually buy stuff.Last edited by app_Developer; 01-11-12 at 02:27 PM.
01-11-12 02:25 PMLike 0 - BrantaRetired Network ModFair enough, yes. We do contract development for banks, media companies, governments. For those types of projects, Android is slowly becoming priority 1a, with iOS being 1b. Just because of sheer numbers, and the IT guys who think of themselves as "too cool" for iOS.
But we also do game work, and paid app work, and for those iOS is clearly still #1. Their customers actually buy stuff.
They get the quality for which they paiddiegonei likes this.01-11-12 02:37 PMLike 1 -
(Other than I hate Java, and that's why I'm procrastinating right now instead of approving all this ugly Java code )
But, no, economically it works fine. It's just very different from Apple's store.
If you have an app that you expect to sell standalone, then, yes, Apple's store is still quite a bit better for that. Their customers all have cards on file, no matter what country, no carrier billing nonsense, and for whatever reason they hit that buy button much more readily. Much less friction.01-11-12 02:53 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesSee, the vibe I got from the admittedly limited number of developers I know personally is that BB users NEVER buy software... IOWs, free or bust.
I know I have spent more since switching, but that may because there are more apps.01-11-12 03:01 PMLike 0 - I expect that to change with newer devices. People with older devices typically tried apps, but their devices lacked sufficient memory to run the apps. When I used a 9000, I had to delete apps/shrink the OS if I wanted new apps. The battle with the low memory wasn't worth it.01-11-12 03:56 PMLike 0
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If they were app buyers, then they would have moved on from BB by now given how RIM has so famously drug their feet on this. So therefore, we should focus on Android and iOS users exclusively, because those users have already voted with their feet and money and said "we want apps". That's why they are Apple and Google customers already.
I get the logic, but I still plan to make an app or two when Cascades is out (probably under my own name), just because I like getting my hands dirty with new technology. It's fun. And if RIM can't get their stuff together, it could be even more fun.Last edited by app_Developer; 01-11-12 at 04:11 PM.
01-11-12 04:09 PMLike 0 - Again, I think Blackberry owners don't buy apps due to bad experiences with apps on old devices.
I bought DocumentsToGo Premium for my 9000 before I was aware of the memory limitations of the device, and how much memory the app used.01-11-12 04:15 PMLike 0 - That is my partner's theory of self-selection. He believes that BB users are still BB users precisely because they aren't app buyers and don't think of what is in their hand as a personal computer.
If they were app buyers, then they would have moved on from BB by now given how RIM has so famously drug their feet on this. So therefore, we should focus on Android and iOS users exclusively, because those users have already voted with their feet and money and said "we want apps". That's why they are Apple and Google customers already.
I get the logic, but I still plan to make an app or two when Cascades is out (probably under my own name), just because I like getting my hands dirty with new technology. It's fun. And if RIM can't get their stuff together, it could be even more fun.
are you kidding me? move to ios and android develop an app and try to make a living off of it.
nearly every iphone / android user i have met to this day has never bought an app for their phone. ad supported apps, demos, free app of the days. the app worlds on these markets has become hugely devalued.
the corolation between blackberry users not being app buyers is simply false!Thunderbuck likes this.01-12-12 12:52 AMLike 1 - I think you might find this interesting. When RIM had it's outage this past year, the local news here in L.A. was doing a story about it, and this photo is part of the stock footage they showed.
http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u.../CrapBerry.jpg
So apparently, it's 2004. Sweet. Seriously, can you imagine them doing a current story about Apple and showing us an iMac G3 or a Newton? This story happend AFTER the release of the new BB7 phones. You have to look at that and wonder why they would show THIS image as their stock footage.recompile likes this.01-12-12 02:26 AMLike 1 - I think you might find this interesting. When RIM had it's outage this past year, the local news here in L.A. was doing a story about it, and this photo is part of the stock footage they showed.
http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u.../CrapBerry.jpg
So apparently, it's 2004. Sweet. Seriously, can you imagine them doing a current story about Apple and showing us an iMac G3 or a Newton? This story happend AFTER the release of the new BB7 phones. You have to look at that and wonder why they would show THIS image as their stock footage.01-12-12 08:38 AMLike 0 - are you kidding me? move to ios and android develop an app and try to make a living off of it.
nearly every iphone / android user i have met to this day has never bought an app for their phone. ad supported apps, demos, free app of the days. the app worlds on these markets has become hugely devalued.
the corolation between blackberry users not being app buyers is simply false!
Sent from my IPhone 4s using Tapatalk01-12-12 08:39 AMLike 0 -
iOS users are spending metric tons of money on apps, and Apple is paying developers billions of dollars as their share.
But that could be just Google's well-known anti-RIMM bias at play.01-12-12 10:02 AMLike 0 - The only people I know who don't buy apps, are mostly teens or kids who are on their parents bills, and / or don't have a CC of their own to pay for things. Any adult I know (even cheapskates), will shell out money for a well made or useful app.01-12-12 10:06 AMLike 0
- When the big news out of CES 2012 is that RIM's tablet from 2011 now has email, you can expect to take a hit for that. I understand why the 2.0 upgrade seems like a big deal to those invested in the product. But take a look at CES as a whole. The industry is trying to produce notebooks like Apple's, voice interface like Apple's, smart TVs like they think Apple will produce.
No one is trying to do email on a tablet. How does that get coverage? The industry is not moved by one's efforts to port Android apps. Using one device to type on another device is interesting, I suppose. But you can dictate into an iPhone to type on a Mac. Even that is not news. If you close off your world to just Crackberry, then 2.0 is a big deal and a very nice upgrade. When considered with the rest of the world of tech, it does not fare so well.
There is no conspiracy. There is just a lot going on in the world of tech of which RIM seems to be unaware.
The playbook failing is 100% rims fault. And 2.0 won't save it. It will just make fans who deal with it out of brand loyalty or need feel placated or more justified in their purchase.
Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk01-12-12 12:09 PMLike 0 - Then play book was the only tablet missing native pim. Even cheapo android knockoffs had that functionality so I'm boggled by your statement that no one is trying to do email on a tablet. Native pim is commodity functionality as is active sync connectivity on smartphones, another area where they fail and why I cannot buy another blackberry at the moment.
The playbook failing is 100% rims fault. And 2.0 won't save it. It will just make fans who deal with it out of brand loyalty or need feel placated or more justified in their purchase.
Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk01-12-12 12:41 PMLike 0 - True enough but when is it time to stop rehashing old news, RIM messed up the Playbook launch, it never should have been released without email, calendar, etc...but now it is almost here and still the negative spin, enough is enough and we're not going taken anymore....................................01-12-12 02:58 PMLike 0
- When the big news out of CES 2012 is that RIM's tablet from 2011 now has email, you can expect to take a hit for that. I understand why the 2.0 upgrade seems like a big deal to those invested in the product. But take a look at CES as a whole. The industry is trying to produce notebooks like Apple's, voice interface like Apple's, smart TVs like they think Apple will produce.
No one is trying to do email on a tablet. How does that get coverage? The industry is not moved by one's efforts to port Android apps. Using one device to type on another device is interesting, I suppose. But you can dictate into an iPhone to type on a Mac. Even that is not news. If you close off your world to just Crackberry, then 2.0 is a big deal and a very nice upgrade. When considered with the rest of the world of tech, it does not fare so well.
There is no conspiracy. There is just a lot going on in the world of tech of which RIM seems to be unaware.
Blackberry balance?
Using a blackberry as a remote control?
Unified inbox?
and the boatload of apps that are coming in a months time01-12-12 03:18 PMLike 0 - Samsung sold 35 million smartphones is just the past quarter alone. So they clearly shot way past RIM, even outside of the US. The "we're only losing in USA" excuse fell apart months ago.
(RIM is projecting 12 million units for the current quarter, 14 for last quarter. Those are sell-in numbers. The gap gets wider and wider each passing quarter.)
I wonder what people will think if the rumours are true that BB10 will be licensed to Sumsung, HTC and LG?01-12-12 03:23 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesAll fantastic, but can you understand why these may not be considered particularly innovative (particularly to people on other platforms)?01-12-12 03:28 PMLike 0
- As always, it would depend on how successful the products are. As an example, WP7 is on both Samsung and HTC, and it's not getting any traction at all, while Android continues to sell very well on both.01-12-12 03:46 PMLike 0
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