Looking at the Past - Signs of 9900/9850 release?!
- Recently, I decided to use previous records to gain a better insight on some releases soon.
This should give perspective on how RIM spaces their announcements with actual releases.
Blackberry 8320
Officially Announced: 09/18/07
T-Mobile: 09/24/07
Blackberry 8530
Officially Announced: 11/06/09
Verizon: 11/20/09
Blackberry 9000
Officially Announced: 05/12/08
AT&T: 11/04/08
Blackberry 9100
Officially Announced: 04/26/10
AT&T: 10/17/10
Blackberry 9300
Officially Announced: 08/05/10
T-Mobile: 09/08/10
Blackberry 9530
Officially Announced: 08/07/08
Verizon: 11/21/08
Blackberry 9550
Officially Announced: 10/26/09
Verizon: 10/28/09
Blackberry 9630
Officially Announced: 06/15/09
Verizon/Sprint: 07/12/09
Blackberry 9650
Officially Announced: 04/27/10
Sprint: 05/23/10
Blackberry 9670
Officially Announced: 10/18/10
Sprint: 10/31/10
Blackberry 9700
Officially Announced: 10/21/09
AT&T: 11/22/09
Rogers: 11/03/09
Vodafone: 11/09/09
Blackberry 9780
Officially Announced: 10/28/10
T-Mobile: 11/17/10
Rogers: 11/05/10
Blackberry 9800
Officially Announced: 08/3/10
AT&T: 08/12/10
Rogers: 09/24/10
Vodafone: 10/01/10
Blackberry 9900
Officially Announced: 05/02/11
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Please feel free to make suggestions or corrections as you fit.
Edit:
6/19/11
-Added Rogers/Vodafone dates
6/18/11
-Added 8320
-Added 9700/9780 T-Mobile dates
-Removed personal speculation
6/2/11
-Added 8520
-Fixed missing 9300 release date
-Fixed 9530 release date
Last edited by UrbanGlowCam; 06-18-11 at 11:54 AM.
06-01-11 06:09 PMLike 7 - I would love for this phone to follow the trend that release shortly after the announcement, but I just don't think it will. CB Kevin gets more alone time and answers from RIM than anyone on here (that is allowed to talk about most of it anyways) and he truly believes it will be August. We will see!06-01-11 06:18 PMLike 0
- I would love for this phone to follow the trend that release shortly after the announcement, but I just don't think it will. CB Kevin gets more alone time and answers from RIM than anyone on here (that is allowed to talk about most of it anyways) and he truly believes it will be August. We will see!
My point is he knows about as much as we do on a lot of these things, hence his excitement when he hears official announcements haha. He definitely has exclusive knowledge on some things though...that's why he's Crackberry Kevin. But I think his assumption of August might just be an educated guess. He may end up being right but I have a feeling it will be sooner based on some of the things I have listed.
I think Kevin is expecting the worst but hoping for the best here for his own defense! But that's just me....DAMION99 likes this.06-01-11 08:19 PMLike 1 -
- Or you could all just look at the carrier roadmaps that have already been announced and see the real dates.[email protected] likes this.06-02-11 11:48 AMLike 1
- Nice work Cameron.
It would be interesting to note what version of the OS they launched with as well. That may probably be a better indicator. If memory serves...OS 5 started at 5.0.0.32x with the S1 and then S2 shortly there after. OS 6 launched on the Torch at 6.0.0.32x as well, correct? We are seeing leaks of BB7 in the low 100's. So I am thinking it is in carrier testing, hence the leaks, and probably a month or 2 away. I am just going off what you can estimate to be the time needed to get their historical sweet spot of 300 + builds.
Of course 4.6 and 4.7 launched at lower numbers, but not sure those were new OS's (not really). Also we have no idea if BB7 will be more stable faster because it's really the third iteration of OS 5. I mean 5 wasn't solid until like 800+ builds, but 6 is pretty good in the 500-600 range, right? So maybe bb7 will get carrier approval in the 200's and be nice and stable by 400.
Who knows!06-02-11 11:58 AMLike 0 -
- I must agree, this is Great Deductive work. I can only hope that the Carriers move quickly with this Phone.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com06-02-11 12:02 PMLike 0 - Nice work Cameron.
It would be interesting to note what version of the OS they launched with as well. That may probably be a better indicator. If memory serves...OS 5 started at 5.0.0.32x with the S1 and then S2 shortly there after. OS 6 launched on the Torch at 6.0.0.32x as well, correct? We are seeing leaks of BB7 in the low 100's. So I am thinking it is in carrier testing, hence the leaks, and probably a month or 2 away. I am just going off what you can estimate to be the time needed to get their historical sweet spot of 300 + builds.
Of course 4.6 and 4.7 launched at lower numbers, but not sure those were new OS's (not really). Also we have no idea if BB7 will be more stable faster because it's really the third iteration of OS 5. I mean 5 wasn't solid until like 800+ builds, but 6 is pretty good in the 500-600 range, right? So maybe bb7 will get carrier approval in the 200's and be nice and stable by 400.
Who knows!06-02-11 12:07 PMLike 0 - this is something i have always wondered. its easy to see that the early builds are still buggy so why keep releasing buggy phones into the market. Hold onto them for an extra month and then release a much more solid phone. Now i know they DO need to release something soon too but they only can blame themselves for being so damn slow to adjust.06-02-11 12:17 PMLike 0
- true it does take real world testing to see some bugs appear, but in the past RIM is VERY slow in correcting many of them06-02-11 12:22 PMLike 0
- this is something i have always wondered. its easy to see that the early builds are still buggy so why keep releasing buggy phones into the market. Hold onto them for an extra month and then release a much more solid phone. Now i know they DO need to release something soon too but they only can blame themselves for being so damn slow to adjust.
In this case, with new RIM devices there is not as specific of a competitive launch. I wouldn't even sweat the iPhone 5 because your just not competing with that. But if BB7 comes out half baked, RIM is screwed. They need these to launch clean and nice. If Kevin's Theory about being compatible with QNX is true then RIM would actually be back in the ring. But another OS and Device launch like the Torch and they are tits up an taking on water.
(I know they are financially strong, and even a bad BB7 Launch wont kill them. I just like saying Tits up and taking on water)06-02-11 12:59 PMLike 0 -
I think they loose a lot of time fighting code integration issues.[email protected] likes this.06-02-11 01:03 PMLike 1 - Yes I agree, thank you for your reseach and time to post this. I just hope that your theory is right on
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com06-02-11 04:34 PMLike 0 -
Like I said in the first post, the Torch launched with 6.0.0.141. AT&T updated to .246 in early October. I was thinking the same thing about your point that depending on which software (OS 5, 6, 7), the handsets sometimes launch with earlier builds. I think OS6 phones launched with lower builds due to the fact that they were mostly upgraded 4.7/5 phones that were already polished.
On the other hand, I assume OS7 handsets had to be reworked as a result of porting the legacy software on all new hardware. The new features that come with this (liquid graphics, ui overlay, JIT, etc.) probably lead to new bugs too. It’s not like we’re just upping the camera specs and ram this time around.
But there was a good point I completely agree with mentioned….
Thanks guys...I hope I'm right too! I'm dieing for a new Berry.Last edited by UrbanGlowCam; 06-02-11 at 04:58 PM.
06-02-11 04:54 PMLike 0 - Take it for what it's worth as I obviously can't prove it, but I have a friend who works for RIM (and have played with his Monza full touch screen phone), and he said that RIM only got final hardware for the Bold Touch last week! The "delays" are due to hardware manufacturing issues not software.
So the good news is they have final hardware, the bad news is that August makes sense, though mid-late July is not out of the question. I wouldn't hold my breath for a June launch though.[email protected] likes this.06-02-11 07:16 PMLike 1 -
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com06-02-11 07:30 PMLike 0 - Take it for what it's worth as I obviously can't prove it, but I have a friend who works for RIM (and have played with his Monza full touch screen phone), and he said that RIM only got final hardware for the Bold Touch last week! The "delays" are due to hardware manufacturing issues not software.
So the good news is they have final hardware, the bad news is that August makes sense, though mid-late July is not out of the question. I wouldn't hold my breath for a June launch though.06-02-11 08:53 PMLike 0 - "He didn't say when the Monza was coming out did he???"
Apparently they're all coming out around the same time, so if Bold Touch launches early August expect Monza and Curve/Torch upgrades to come out late August at the latest. They're not going to stagger the launches, it'll be an all at once kind of thing, no reason to sit on them when they have such stale hardware on the shelves now.
Of course RIM could surprise us and launch the Bold Touch in late June and get everything else out in July, but that is probably wishful thinking!Last edited by BBOttawa; 06-02-11 at 09:57 PM.
maevinj likes this.06-02-11 09:55 PMLike 1 - Thanks BBOttawa. I hope you're telling us the truth. With that name it sounds like it lol. How was the Monza?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com06-02-11 10:05 PMLike 0
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