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Oh yeah, just noticed this.
Like I said, this change does NOTHING to detriment current users, and only would benefit them. I really, REALLY want to hear the reason why people oppose this change.And then here's the part where he adequately and definitively explains why he and others people oppose the change.Lets see. A lot of people here oppose the change. What are the odds that outside of this board the result might be somewhat similar?
Your "obvious" benefit to everyone doesn't seem to play out, unless you think the whole world is mad and that's all there is to it. Even if your suggestion was an assumed tremendous benefit, if the majority doesn't want it, nobody cares (including RIM).
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08-12-09 12:11 AM - It is not inconsistent unless you want it to be. When I type a lot of numbers I just hold ALT while I type them, even zero.Another thing about the bottom row, why does "0" get it's own dedicated key? 1-9 are alt keys, but for some reason, the infrequent "0" gets its own key? C'mon RIM, at least stay consistent and make all numeric keys alt keys and let the 0 key be a punctuation mark. What really confuses me is the 2 shift keys. Does anyone even use the right shift key on their desktop? I won't be hitting any keys marked "aA↑" in the near future.
I suspect the $ key is a trade off, they wanted easy access to a speakerphone function but it is not really intuitive to map that with a regular key. Maybe some other form of punctuation but really the most common ones are already there.
Overall it is a well laid out keyboard, but I can't agree with mapping regular characters to ALT buttons, even for Q or X. That would be extremely disruptive when typing a sentence.08-12-09 12:14 PM - I oppose the change because it's communist, just like you. duh. Let other people explain why they think your ideas come from monkeys. They don't need me speaking for them.Oh yeah, just noticed this.
And then here's the part where he adequately and definitively explains why he and others people oppose the change.
Most importantly: Are your ideas going to be implemented? Otherwise who cares.Last edited by papped; 08-12-09 at 12:36 PM.
08-12-09 12:33 PM - Umm, yeah, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. It's intuition. "If I have to press alt for numbers 1-9, then I would probably need to press alt for 0 as well." Most people (an understatement) already do this; because, well, most people are logical and creatures of habit, so when they reason that alt is required for 1-9, they get used to it and assume that 0 is also an alt key. If this is the case, then why not map a different primary character to the 0 key?
Hold up, are you saying that RIM dedicated a primary $ key because people don't associate the speakerphone function with a period? Do you associate turning on the speakerphone with a units of currency?!? I'm not sure whether this is a serious response or you're trolling (10/10 if that's the case).
Am I the only one seeing this? Did anyone else read what he wrote?
I'm going to overlook the obvious for a second and focus on the argument you presented. This is my counter.
I can't agree with mapping regular characters to ALT buttons, even for period or comma. That would be extremely disruptive when typing a sentence.Last edited by ArcticSilver5; 08-12-09 at 11:25 PM. Reason: Perhaps my tone was a bit harsh.
08-12-09 08:35 PM - YOU OPPOSE THE CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S COMMUNIST!?! I wish your post count weren't so high, this would be a lot easier (it's actually pretty easy, it's just difficult trying to open a narrow mind).
They... don't... need... ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I'm not asking you to speak for the BB community. I'm asking you to speak for yourself (for once) and NOT follow the BB community. You understand that by blindly following a majority, you AREN'T EVEN SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF? I'll let that stew a bit before it sinks in.
So you're saying this is what should happen.
1. Consumer purchases product.
2. Consumer uses product.
3. Consumer experiences problems with product.
3a. Consumer complains to company using logic and requests an explanation for why the company purposely and continuously denies this logic and provides no reasoning.
4. Consumer turns out to be an ***** whose opinion doesn't matter.
5. Consumer dies, company makes money and endorses a pissing contest on the consumer's grave the 1st Monday of every month as a promo.
You're right, my opinion is as irrelevant as yours. Oh wait, you're saying my opinion is MORE IRRELEVANT THAN YOURS? Well Mr. Universe, could you bring your ego around my car tires? They need some inflating.08-12-09 08:49 PM - Here's from a PM discussion I had with another member regarding the keyboard. Fortunately, he didn't just yell "I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE" over and over. Mucho gracias to amazinglygraceless for his civility and taking the time to respond (in depth) to a new member who hasn't seen it all yet.
I still think I'm right, but I don't have any empirical support on my claim that alt + etc would actually be faster for him. I mean, when I use his method, double-tapping definitely slows me down. Working in a cancer research lab, specifically tumor imaging with contrast agents, all my numerical data regards wavelengths and long strings with precise values past the decimal point (concentrations, ODs, retention time, dilution ratios, contrast ratios, usually more than 6 consecutive numbers with a decimal/slash/colon somewhere in there). Surely, the more consecutive numbers you type, the less effective autotexting becomes. I'm not really on a time-restraint like amazinglygraceless (though I should stop using my 8900's keyboard as an excuse for late replies :P). oh snap. Took 3 pages of comments and a few thousand words exchanged before anyone gave me a reason. Do you mind if I post this to the thread?
I still believe strongly that you would benefit from alt. Think about it. The only reason you set up autotexts is because you are accustomed to a dedicated $ key. In all honesty, do you truly believe that the your method is faster than the alternative? (1) alt + $ + 1 + 0 + 6 + 8 is only 6 key presses, 5 for me. Since alt and $ are pressed simultaneously by both thumbs, so it's the same amount of finger movements. You end up pressing two fewer buttons to get the same result ($ + w + w + 0 + f + f + x + x). The effect is more dramatic on larger numbers or decimals. Regarding decimals, I'd leave the spkr key as is, so that while typing and not on a phone call, you could keep your finger on alt the entire time and not need to worry about the alt symbol on the period key (it would still yield a period, as the spkr function doesn't do anything outside a phone call, right?). (2) Also, I'm assuming you have to toggle on and off autotexting. Otherwise, how else would you write words like knee, need, free, addict, account, occurred, off, offer, mass, jazzy (my personal favorite), and other words that use two consecutive letters that have alt numbers? Don't tell me you have to slow down, input and delete a space, or toggle autotext on/off everytime, because this definitely slows you down more than holding a single key that would help you type faster overall given reasons (1) and (2).
Please understand that I am not criticizing you personally, as I sure you've put a lot of work into discovering and implementing these workarounds. You know that every other phone has a period key, right? Is there anyone in your office who uses one of these normal keyboards? Ask them about what workarounds they need to implement to achieve the greatest speed. I sure didn't need any on my BJ2.
You see, this is exactly what I wish would happen on the thread. You give a reason, I try it out to see if it's a feasible and functional alternative. I give my take on it and see if you accept or deny it. I still think I'm right.Last edited by ArcticSilver5; 08-13-09 at 01:08 AM.
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