Just a though about whatsapp !!
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- He is really padding our stats....Reeneebob, PantlessPenguin and mine.....every day it's a new name, and he goes and stalks us and thanks us.
Newbies are going to look at us and think HOLY COW THESE WOMEN ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But really....what a pathetic life he must have....pantlesspenguin and reeneebob like this.01-23-13 11:16 AMLike 2 -
/Off topic rant.reeneebob likes this.01-23-13 11:19 AMLike 1 - I'm curious, if Q thinks android is so safe then why doesn't she do her banking on one? Why is that job reserved to a BlackBerry? Would that be double standards to put it in a nice way?Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes likes this.01-23-13 11:24 AMLike 1
- Bold_until_Hybrid_ComesWaterloo's FinestI wonder why some people would not do banking on an android device? I thought they were secure? I know I feel fine doing banking on my Blackberry no matter where in the world I am.
Certainly wouldn't have been caught dead transferring funds on a gs3 in the middle of Jakarta like I did on my Blackberry.
Whatsapp certainly reminds me of the vulnerabilities of Android in general.01-23-13 11:42 AMLike 0 - I wonder why some people would not do banking on an android device? I thought they were secure? I know I feel fine doing banking on my Blackberry no matter where in the world I am.
Certainly wouldn't have been caught dead transferring funds on a gs3 in the middle of Jakarta like I did on my Blackberry.
Whatsapp certainly reminds me of the vulnerabilities of Android in general.
And this is what I mean by judicious use. Of course Android has more vulnerabilities than BB. Show me one single solitary instance of where I have said otherwise. It is all about judicious use and I choose not to put banking apps on anything other than BB.
This, love, is how I show that I am not a fangirl of any platform. I don't go on mass generalisations. I have *never* said that BB and Android are equal in security, I *acknowledge* where BB excels. I also acknowledge where BB fails.
So no hypocrisy "gotcha", if that is where you are trying to get to.01-23-13 11:48 AMLike 0 - Bold_until_Hybrid_ComesWaterloo's FinestI would not use banking apps on Android because of the fact that Android has more vulnerabilities than BB. I have *always* stated that and I have *never* put one banking app on either my Android devices or my iPhones.
And this is what I mean by judicious use. Of course Android has more vulnerabilities than BB. Show me one single solitary instance of where I have said otherwise. It is all about judicious use and I choose not to put banking apps on anything other than BB.
This, love, is how I show that I am not a fangirl of any platform. I don't go on mass generalisations. I have *never* said that BB and Android are equal in security, I *acknowledge* where BB excels. I also acknowledge where BB fails.
So no hypocrisy "gotcha", if that is where you are trying to get to.
Thank you!
I believe whatsapp is a mirror of the whole security system of android as it has more vulnerabilities than BB01-23-13 11:53 AMLike 0 -
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Are you operating under the misapprehension that I have ever said otherwise?
I also said it is all about judicious use. Therefore, I do not use WhatsApp while on unsecured WiFi. But I do use it on the network and in my own personal secure wifi or those wifi networks where I have th code.
Did you miss that statement on this very thread? Should I point it out for you? Do I need to remind you of each and every single solitary time that I have made the case for BB being the most secure platform? But it is not impenetrable. Can you not discern that nuance?
In case you missed it...
If course it isn't. Common sense should apply to everything. Technology is no longer some newfangled mysterious thing that is available to only a privileged few.
User responsibility is key, and there are plenty of warnings in the media, news stories, articles, special interest reports, and education through work all related to what to do and not what to do on the internet to avoid phishing scams, safe browsing, safe Wi-Fi use, etc.
And I think you're right, the PIN cannot be changed.
http://supportforums.blackberry.com/...-a/td-p/330277
***Edit: confirmation that PINs cannot be changed.
Any device on any platform can be made vulnerable through improper use, no platform is impenetrable. Much to the chagrin of those who would have you believe that a BB will always and forever through any and ask circumstances be made absolutely completely safe. It's safer than anything else, but it's absolutely not impenetrable.
Sent from my SEXY HOT RED SGIII using Tapatalk 201-23-13 12:01 PMLike 0 - Yes, I have always said that.
Are you operating under the misapprehension that I have ever said otherwise?
I also said it is all about judicious use. Therefore, I do not use WhatsApp while on unsecured WiFi. But I do use it on the network and in my own personal secure wifi or those wifi networks where I have th code.
Did you miss that statement on this very thread? Should I point it out for you? Do I need to remind you of each and every single solitary time that I have made the case for BB being the most secure platform? But it is not impenetrable. Can you not discern that nuance?Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes likes this.01-23-13 12:03 PMLike 1 - Two things, one a BB password is literally impenetrable especially with encryption enabled, two entire countries are crying they can't intercept BBMs on BIS(never mind BES). I believe some got their own NOCs to be able to do that but they certainly can't be pulled out of the air.
I realize that this reply is drifting off of the topic of security in mobile messaging, but I think it is important for BB to realize that the ubiquity of the messaging platform is important these days. Why not do something like open up BBM to other platforms but keep the most secure communication blackberry to blackberry only - color code the messages from and to other devices as vulnerable or something to that effect. It is easier to talk a coworker into downloading a new messaging client than it is to talk them into getting a new phone.
Sent from my Droid DNAkingb71 likes this.01-23-13 12:14 PMLike 1 -
Nothing.
The discussion centered on WhatsApp. Someone wanted to show a vunerability and they posted an article that clearly describes that unsecured WiFi connection is the medium, I stated that all is needed is not to use unsecured WiFi, stated that all platforms can be vulnerable, showed BB vulnerabilties on the NIST site, and now he's deflecting to something else, along with Bold, in an attempt at GOTCHA. Modus operandi - deflection when the argument is shown to be invalid.
And I love the attempts at a GOTCHA.pantlesspenguin likes this.01-23-13 12:18 PMLike 1 - But they are still vulnerable in that they do exist in unencrypted form on BIS itself. That isn't to say that it isn't fairly secure. It certainly is much more secure than whatsapp, but the disadvantage is that it isn't as ubiquitous as whatsapp. My coworkers and I use whatsapp because we are scattered over a number of different kinds of phones, windows phone, iPhone and android. I like BBM (that's actually half the reason I'm watching for BB10 now) but making it useful would involve quite the uphill battle of getting my coworkers and friends and family to go over to blackberry as well, something that may have been possible in 2009 but is really a long shot now. I realize that this reply is drifting off of the topic of security in mobile messaging, but I think it is important for BB to realize that the ubiquity of the messaging platform is important these days. Why not do something like open up BBM to other platforms but keep the most secure communication blackberry to blackberry only - color code the messages from and to other devices as vulnerable or something to that effect. It is easier to talk a coworker into downloading a new messaging client than it is to talk them into getting a new phone.
Sent from my Droid DNA
OK....who are you and where have you been all my life??????01-23-13 12:20 PMLike 0 - But they are still vulnerable in that they do exist in unencrypted form on BIS itself. That isn't to say that it isn't fairly secure. It certainly is much more secure than whatsapp, but the disadvantage is that it isn't as ubiquitous as whatsapp. My coworkers and I use whatsapp because we are scattered over a number of different kinds of phones, windows phone, iPhone and android. I like BBM (that's actually half the reason I'm watching for BB10 now) but making it useful would involve quite the uphill battle of getting my coworkers and friends and family to go over to blackberry as well, something that may have been possible in 2009 but is really a long shot now.
I realize that this reply is drifting off of the topic of security in mobile messaging, but I think it is important for BB to realize that the ubiquity of the messaging platform is important these days. Why not do something like open up BBM to other platforms but keep the most secure communication blackberry to blackberry only - color code the messages from and to other devices as vulnerable or something to that effect. It is easier to talk a coworker into downloading a new messaging client than it is to talk them into getting a new phone.
Sent from my Droid DNABold_until_Hybrid_Comes and kingb71 like this.01-23-13 12:37 PMLike 2 - Does BlackBerry publish anywhere who actually can access BIS (for example which employees have access and that law enforcement or various Canadian or friendly-to-Canada government agencies can access it)?01-23-13 01:10 PMLike 0
- I don't know, but I know a lot of middle eastern countries were crying they couldn't and even threatened to ban blackberry devices.Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes likes this.01-23-13 01:40 PMLike 1
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***edit....I'd say "employee" management of information through BES not BIS....01-23-13 01:41 PMLike 0 -
there's a lot of cherry picking of quotes going on here...
all for a moot point, whatsapp will be on bb10,01-23-13 01:52 PMLike 0 -
I bet casual inspection of the messages on the server by people authorized to view them such as rim employers of BIS messages would be the most frequent breach of security though. Just speculating though.
Sent from my Droid DNA01-23-13 02:23 PMLike 0 - This thread got good while I was gonelol
Because it comes with plenty security concerns, some fixed, some not and BB people tend to be more security conscious. I won't touch any Android device because Google has shown time and time again they are willing to ignore users privacy, they even got fined 22+ millions for it. Does that make me crazy for downplaying the importance of the biggest smartphone OS?01-23-13 02:58 PMLike 0 - Ah!!!! Amazing how you understood what I was talking about.
And I stand by my statement. Hypocrisy. Just chose to let the comments go....
Can't wait to hear how consuming media on a big screen is JUST AMAZING.....and how quickly it changes from all the other "but those Android devices are SO BIG and WHO NEEDS a device that B I G because you can't use them on one hand and they don't fit in your pocket and you look silly holding it to your ear comments".....especially so when the Aristo comes out.....
Frankly, I'm on my way to a Note 3. L-O-V-E my B I G SGIII screen. Will love my bigger BB screen, the 9860 ended up being too small for me. Even the 4S feels cramped now.01-23-13 03:04 PMLike 0 - This thread got good while I was gonelol
No sir'. U are completely entitled to your opinion and that's fine. Yes BB people do tend to be more security conscious, but I think one could make a argument that there are just as many BB users that don't have security in mind when buying a BB. My point goes back to having a reason to not like/want something is fine. Its just people that belittle others for wanting that same option. Me personally, I use whatsapp and never worried about any security risk. Mayb I'm oblivious lol, but I don't have nothing of importance to hide. I don't know lol....
Or it could simply be that you don't send personal or sensitive information throug unsecure WiFi.......which is the vulnerability used in the attempted GOTCHA!!!!
Seriously.....responsibility lies in the user. ain't nuthin' like common sense.....would you send information through an unsecured WiFi connection over your laptop? No? Then why do it over a phone?pantlesspenguin likes this.01-23-13 03:10 PMLike 1 - Bold_until_Hybrid_ComesWaterloo's FinestWhatsapp is a vulnerable IM service compared to BBM.
Android is VULNERABLE compared to Blackberry. There are more VULNERABILITES on the android platform. Its just like comparing whatsapp to BBM. Whatsapp is horrible.
Vulnerable.01-23-13 03:22 PMLike 0 - Or it could simply be that you don't send personal or sensitive information throug unsecure WiFi.......which is the vulnerability used in the attempted GOTCHA!!!!
Seriously.....responsibility lies in the user. ain't nuthin' like common sense.....would you send information through an unsecured WiFi connection over your laptop? No? Then why do it over a phone?01-23-13 03:23 PMLike 0
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