- The "majority" isn't EVERYone. Only THE market leader (Samsung) can hope to afford to transfix onto "majority" only. Everyone else, Apple included, must stand ready to grab any crumbs the giants neglect.
Niche markets are rarely majority. Samsung ignores those "crumbs" at their peril. BB itself once felt secure in their domination of PKB "majority". Apple grabbed crumbs BB had neglected. Here we are.
By some definitions, Apple should never have even tried.
Posted via CB1003-26-16 10:10 AMLike 0 -
As has been pointed out Blackberry hasn't exactly been on top of publicity and advertisements for the Priv.
Creating an unrealistic artificial scenario does not disprove or negate the points I've made.03-26-16 10:18 AMLike 0 -
Apple/Samsung would eliminate the need for their large numbers of customers to think comparatively. Rather, they would be presented with a "new" input method that didn't require a brand change. Brand-loyalty is real.
It's not the PKB that can make or break BlackBerry even as a niche supplier. The diminishing customer loyalty is evidence of the deeper problem. Blackberry is rightly no longer concerned with the consumer device space having lost continuously since the iPhone captured people's attention. Perhaps, in the future consumers may matter to BlackBerry, but they're not the focus today.
Posted via CB1003-26-16 10:47 AMLike 0 - Actually there is a person who my wife works with who bought the Priv last week because she missed the keyboard of her old Blackberrys. Most people will stick with a brand they like. iphone people will usually stay with iphones because of the environment. Samsung people tend to stick with Samsung phones. Blackberry people usually will stay with Blackberry, no matter what new Android phone is released.
As has been pointed out Blackberry hasn't exactly been on top of publicity and advertisements for the Priv.
Creating an unrealistic artificial scenario does not disprove or negate the points I've made.
This is the same data that OEM see, they know some people out there wanted pkbs smartphones but when it comes down to it, these very same people will be content with a vkb smartphone. Even when a good pkb smartphone is available.TgeekB likes this.03-26-16 10:51 AMLike 1 -
- Actually it is not an artificial scenario; since you mentioned that you know people that wanted pkb smartphones and has moved on from BB to other os for various reasons. But now that there is an android smartphone with a good pkb smartphone made by BB. So what is stopping these people from buying a priv, you mentioned that they prefer to stay with the brand they use currently and bb marketing is poor. But if having pkb smartphone is that important to them, then they have done their research and is aware that bb released android pkb smartphone. If they have not then they are not in the market for pkb phones, they might reminisce about it, but in the end of the day they are happy with the vkb smartphone that they have. As per your posts you only know one who actually bought priv.
This is the same data that OEM see, they know some people out there wanted pkbs smartphones but when it comes down to it, these very same people will be content with a vkb smartphone. Even when a good pkb smartphone is available.
My wife bought a Priv because she likes Android, but likes my PKB. She only knew of the Priv's existence because of my involvement in CB.
Until all major phone brands offer a equal choice between models with PKB and VKB one can't prove which types the majority of phone users prefer.03-26-16 11:09 AMLike 0 - It's not as complicated as some are making it out to be. The majority of people were tired of typing on tiny little keyboards. They wanted larger screens. Here we are. Have a beer.JeepBB and eyesopen1111 like this.03-26-16 11:13 AMLike 2
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Where's the "smartphone Olympics" proving which is superior?
Most folks buy regular grade gasoline for their cars. Does that make it "better" than premium grades? Does that mean producers should ONLY offer regular grade?
Automobiles outsell aircraft 99+ to 1. Does that mean Boeing, Airbus, etc should abandon aircraft and jump in to an already overcrowded automotive market??
Niche markets are, almost by definition, relatively low volume markets. That doesn't mean they CAN'T be profitable.
The truth is that some niches are too small to be profitable, especially in markets where competition is high and production costs are high. You can't make 10,000 phones and make a profit unless you can sell them for $10,000 each. The fixed costs are far too high to make them profitable at a lower volume, and the competition is too fierce to sell at that price.
The only reason new PKB phones are being made is because BB has been willing to take a loss selling them for the past several years. But those days are quickly coming to an end.Last edited by Troy Tiscareno; 03-26-16 at 05:58 PM.
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- You have proof to support your stated supposed fact? I would like to read your source for that conclusion.03-26-16 11:28 AMLike 0
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The market is what it is, that is easy to prove. If you can't handle that I'm not sure what to say. Go on believing that if tiny little keyboards with tiny little screens were available to more people, they would sell like hot cakes.03-26-16 11:33 AMLike 2 - Read the post above yours. It answered your post before you posted it.
My wife bought a Priv because she likes Android, but likes my PKB. She only knew of the Priv's existence because of my involvement in CB.
Until all major phone brands offer a equal choice between models with PKB and VKB one can't prove which types the majority of phone users prefer.
QWERTY keyboard phones03-26-16 11:35 AMLike 0 - Passport's the cat's meow. Videos, music, typing, word prediction if you want to use it, battery that can keep going longer than I can, I think I'm an addict. I love my touchscreen phones but never want to pick them up again.
Plus it's so cool looking. Sure, bold's are easier to type on, but when you want everything right there in your hand, Passport's got it.
No, I don't think BlackBerry should drop touch screen phones, and I believe pkb users are limited because:
...nobody else makes a good pkb phone
...users have never experienced one and don't know
...users go to contract / next plan phones and don't see pkb phones in their options, as few people have seen a living breathing BlackBerry Passport in the stores.03-26-16 12:07 PMLike 0 - I don't need a source neither do I care.
The market is what it is, that is easy to prove. If you can't handle that I'm not sure what to say. Go on believing that if tiny little keyboards with tiny little screens were available to more people, they would sell like hot cakes.
It is illogical to assume that more people prefer A over B when B isn't available as a equal choice.
Simple.
Did the consumer determine what the manufacturer produces, or did the manufacturer determine what choices the consumer have?03-26-16 12:09 PMLike 0 - I see.. now it is up to the OEMS prove to themselves there is a great demand for pkb since there is limited options out there. Kinda odd since OEMS still makes pkb smartphones:
QWERTY keyboard phones03-26-16 12:15 PMLike 0 - I never wrote PKB phones would sell like hot cakes. I'm questioning the reasoning behind the conclusions and the conclusions some people have made.
It is illogical to assume that more people prefer A over B when B isn't available as a equal choice.
Simple.
Did the consumer determine what the manufacturer produces, or did the manufacturer determine what choices the consumer have?
We can always question whether something else would work also, nothing wrong with that. I just believe the companies who's sole purpose is to make money have probably already done their homework. I'm sure if some day it shows they could make millions selling PKB phones, you will see them produced faster than you can blink.03-26-16 12:16 PMLike 2 -
Yes. Consumers who used to own BlackBerry pkb phones jumped on the all-touch, plentiful app store bandwagon years ago. Blackberry was an option, but they went to iPhone or Android. No manufacturers forced them to buy their products.
Posted via the Diva's beautiful Red Passport!03-26-16 12:23 PMLike 3 - My buddy picked up a Priv recently, he started on the older BlackBerry PKB phones and was missing it for nostalgia. Saw him last week and asked him if he was happy with it. He was very happy with the device, but he said he barely uses the PKB - the VKB is great (he loves the word suggestions on letters). He didn't even know about being able to use the PKB as a trackpad! Which speaks to the lack of advertising / awareness - using the slidedown PKB for scrolling is probably more useful to the average person than using it for typing.
I love the PKB as well but people have moved on. If they're going to continue with phones, I think they have to release a reasonably priced all touch device on Android and try to sell up the Security / Privacy aspects to differentiate themselves. Motorola is maybe the role model for BlackBerry as a phone vendor going forward imo.03-26-16 12:55 PMLike 0 - I hope BlackBerry makes an Android phone like the Passport design, but with a rectangle screen. It would need to look stylish and luxurious, though. No cheap-looking design, like those unattractive Vienna renders.
Posted via the Diva's beautiful Red Passport!03-26-16 01:21 PMLike 0 - I am involved in the auto industry here in the USA where tens of thousands of smartphones are used for both business and personal use and I can't tell you the last time I seen someone using a PKB device.
As I said in one of my earlier post, I have seen a few government employees using older Blackberry legacy devices, but even that is rare these days.
Touchscreen devices are what the consumer and corporate markets are using in 2016 and that's the cold hard truth whether you choose to accept it or not.
Passport SE on Etisalat 4G Network propelled by 10.3.2.2876bakron1 likes this.03-26-16 02:11 PMLike 1 - So what you are all telling me is:
- that because touch-screen phones are so widespread, the the market research must have been done that proved that.
-people are using touchscreen phones therefore that is what they want
- no acknowledgment that PKBs would impact on the manufacturer's bottom line
Ok, got the picture now.03-26-16 07:44 PMLike 0 - Determining people's preference for A over B isn't simple when there are unequal numbers of A and B (smokeaire summarised that nicely), and I would bet my bottom dollar that the market research was not adequate to fully tease apart the complexities of fully determining what that preference is. To do that would require repeated controlled experiments, something that academia would be good at, but market research companies would skim over because of the time pressures they are under. Yet people on this thread seem to jump in and state their opinion as fact. I wonder why people want to state opinion as fact, without doing the actual work required to turn their opinion into fact?03-26-16 08:18 PMLike 0
- I am involved in the auto industry here in the USA where tens of thousands of smartphones are used for both business and personal use and I can't tell you the last time I seen someone using a PKB device.
As I said in one of my earlier post, I have seen a few government employees using older Blackberry legacy devices, but even that is rare these days.
Touchscreen devices are what the consumer and corporate markets are using in 2016 and that's the cold hard truth whether you choose to accept it or not.
A day does not go by when I do not see a PKB. Just Friday we were completing a bid, and one fellow was furious at how poor was the VKB in trying to bang out long emails and statements - his group retired all BB's about 14 months back. Another fellow showed his Q - he has sufficient seniority to "have his way". Admittedly, the Q is a rarity. And I have not seen a PP my world.03-26-16 09:18 PMLike 0 -
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