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  1. collinc93's Avatar
    You seem to have left out "guy who admits he did not read thread yet complains about everyone else's posts." Wait. . .I see what you did there. Very "Se7en" of you, John Doe.
    Caught you didnt I?
    09-10-13 12:30 PM
  2. kevets's Avatar
    Okay maybe you have it on the group video calling...

    If you are on a Google hangout call or iFacemessagetime call on your iPhone, could you switch apps to open up a document or website or photo and go back to the call uninterrupted?

    Also, I know BBM does video chat on BB10, but is there an option to do just voice chat? Not talking about sending recorded audio attachments. That would be kind of frustrating.
    09-10-13 12:45 PM
  3. seemsixty7's Avatar
    Yes, you can make Video Calls or just voice only calls, using BBM
    09-10-13 12:52 PM
  4. anon(5624621)'s Avatar
    Yes, you can make Video Calls or just voice only calls, using BBM
    Yup and it's a great feature for when you're bbm calling internationally using wifi in the hotel lobby and you don't want to look ridiculous and conspicuous video chatting in public

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    09-10-13 12:55 PM
  5. kbz1960's Avatar
    No, they won't install it because there is only a few people they know who care if they use hangouts. The person just uses iMessage and it txts it to you as a standard SMS. On the iphone when they use iMessage it still looks nice. On Android it looks like an old school sms but why should he have to jump to a different app just for a few friends when standard SMS works just fine. If you have friends who choose to use whats app or something different than iMessage then that is a small sliver of people. All my friends have unlimited txt in their plans so it's not like they are going to save any money by switching. More people will be like my friends than yours. BB might get a few people not many unless they use a third party app already.
    What about people who don't have unlimited testing? Now you're increasing their cost by the carrier charging an outrageous amount for each text.
    09-10-13 01:02 PM
  6. xandermac's Avatar
    Good points, however 99.9% won't care bc iMessage works.
    09-10-13 01:11 PM
  7. iN8ter's Avatar
    Okay maybe you have it on the group video calling...

    If you are on a Google hangout call or iFacemessagetime call on your iPhone, could you switch apps to open up a document or website or photo and go back to the call uninterrupted?

    Also, I know BBM does video chat on BB10, but is there an option to do just voice chat? Not talking about sending recorded audio attachments. That would be kind of frustrating.
    Yes. You can multi-task this on other OSes.

    And keep things in perspective.

    We're talking about cross platform BBM. iOS and Android versions won't have any of the VoIP features. They will be severely crippled compared to the BB10 version so you won't be using those features with those people anyways. They'll only be usable with other BB10 users (or OS7 user whom I think can do BBM Voice calls over WiFi).

    There is literally no incentive for a Skype VoIP user to use BBM for Android or iOS as it will completely lack any VoIP or Video Messaging functionality - period.

    There will be little reason for a user of another messaging service to switch because BBM for iOS/Android will be quite bare IRT feature set, and some of the capabilities they omitted aren't 2% features by a long shot.
    09-10-13 01:22 PM
  8. iN8ter's Avatar
    What about people who don't have unlimited testing? Now you're increasing their cost by the carrier charging an outrageous amount for each text.
    A lot of people in the US market don't even know anyone who doesn't live in the US therefore they don't care. In the US iPhone owns almost half the smartphone marketshare. iMessage is more sticky here than in perhaps any other smartphone market, and with the proliferation of unlimited SMS/MMS plans using a Messaging Service is often hard to use as people simply don't want to bother. That's the beauty of iMessage. It basically snuck in this market on the coat tail of SMS/MMS by integrating it directly into the Messaging app on their devices.

    WhatsApp has very poor penetration in the US. A lot of people do use Skype, but it's largely for the cross platform Video Calling than anything else (at least the people that I know that use it) - the IM to a lesser extent (it lets you shuttle any type of file between users on some platfoms - like Android).
    09-10-13 01:26 PM
  9. kevets's Avatar
    I agree. It won't be that successful without the video/voice/screen sharing features. The voice and video shouldn't be that difficult to implement, and I are planned for cross platform along with BBM channels.

    Screen sharing, I have low expectations for seeing that ever appear cross platform. Not even sure if it's technically possible, or if either Apple or Google would allow it for security reasons.

    As a hypothetical, if there was feature parity across BB10 and cross platform BBM... would that change some minds?
    09-10-13 01:31 PM
  10. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    Good points, however 99.9% won't care bc iMessage works.
    I agree 100%
    09-10-13 01:38 PM
  11. iN8ter's Avatar
    I agree. It won't be that successful without the video/voice/screen sharing features. The voice and video shouldn't be that difficult to implement, and I are planned for cross platform along with BBM channels.

    Screen sharing, I have low expectations for seeing that ever appear cross platform. Not even sure if it's technically possible, or if either Apple or Google would allow it for security reasons.

    As a hypothetical, if there was feature parity across BB10 and cross platform BBM... would that change some minds?
    Yes. BB10's marketshare is almost non-existent here, so it's not about being on feature parity with the BB10 version.

    It's about being on Feature Parity with other solutions that are already pretty widely used. If we are want to use this, and we are want to convince our friends to use it as well, then there needs to either be a selling point or at least feature parity so that user experiences are not disrupted in the migration.

    Otherwise, it's like replacing someone's Windows 8 PC with a ChromeBook or Windows RT convertible.
    09-10-13 01:49 PM
  12. xandermac's Avatar
    iMessage is also built into the OS and we know how people here feel about the native functionality versus third-party applications.


    Sent from my 4s using TapaTalk
    09-10-13 01:53 PM
  13. Anilu7's Avatar
    I cant believe people still swallow everything BB promises...without having even seen the product and with such a terrible history of execution.
    Um...I do use BBM as my go-to messaging app. I dread having to text people as I get no idea when/if they've read my message. When I'm in a BBM chat with people and it's important, I don't have time to wonder if they've read or are going to respond. I also like to use BBM Voice and Video chats since the call quality is far superior to Skype and I've rarely lost a call during it, despite being on it for up to 7 hours at a stretch internationally, as well as one from my plane over the Atlantic to Europe. Another advantage is that you don't have to give your personal phone number to enable a BBM chat. That way your information is kept private. You can even turn off your location if you want to.
    09-10-13 02:48 PM
  14. AlexXF's Avatar
    iOS 7 just released. There is a FaceTime audio (like a BBM voice) presents.

    I can call to my contacts over 3G/wifi
    09-10-13 03:05 PM
  15. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Um...I do use BBM as my go-to messaging app. I dread having to text people as I get no idea when/if they've read my message. When I'm in a BBM chat with people and it's important, I don't have time to wonder if they've read or are going to respond. I also like to use BBM Voice and Video chats since the call quality is far superior to Skype and I've rarely lost a call during it, despite being on it for up to 7 hours at a stretch internationally, as well as one from my plane over the Atlantic to Europe. Another advantage is that you don't have to give your personal phone number to enable a BBM chat. That way your information is kept private. You can even turn off your location if you want to.
    Yeah!

    I think we all agree that BBM on a BB device is the best messaging app out there.... as long as you are trying to message other BB owners. The problem is that BBM on iOS and Android is NOT going to be the same experience that BB users have. We still have to wait and see what features will make it on these platforms (some of the features the OP mentions, might not make it), how well it is integrated into the OS and what features will be considered "premium" (pay for).

    Will iMessage users give a BBM for the iPhone a chance?

    I think a guy in Indonesia with an iPhone and 40 friends with BlackBerry's will definitely use it. A guy in the US who knows maybe one person with a BlackBerry isn't going to think twice about even trying it. At least not until it catches on....
    09-10-13 03:27 PM
  16. anon62607's Avatar
    The US DND will allow iPhone as a BYOD on their general purpose in-house servers but not on their security servers. Only Blackberry devices are allowed on those. Why is that do you think? You can look it up.
    it's probably more helpful if you look it up and post the link as part of your post, rather than leaving it as an open ended "look it up". you might be thinking of something else or not understanding something you've seen (FIPS certification vs an IATO or ATO, or misunderstanding an authority to connect to an unclassified network is completely different from a classified network)
    09-10-13 03:56 PM
  17. m1a1mg's Avatar
    The US DND will allow iPhone as a BYOD on their general purpose in-house servers but not on their security servers. Only Blackberry devices are allowed on those. Why is that do you think? You can look it up.
    What the heck is the DND? If you meant the DoD, you just lost 90% of the readers because they know you have no clue. Second, the US DoD DOES NOT allow BYOD. PERIOD!!!
    09-10-13 05:49 PM
  18. wanted198's Avatar
    Blackberry and BBM used to be well used a year or two ago on OS7. BB10 isn't even known of anymore, most people barely have one friend who uses BBM/BB still, why would an android or iphone user get it to speak to other people in those platforms?
    09-10-13 07:28 PM
  19. icanican's Avatar
    ?Watch this n u'll understand what the "i" in iPhone stands for


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    #ichooseblackberry10 #bbftw

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    09-10-13 09:02 PM
  20. canuckvoip's Avatar
    As an iPhone user I see no reason to install bbm. With apps such as Line, Viber, Kik and Whatsapp, bbm no longer relevant. If bbm would have been released 1-2 years earlier my decision would have been different. Unfortunately there are cross platforms apps that are much better. Just look at whatsapp, it is on every platform
    Somewhere here I suppose this has already been stated, so I apologize (not) if so...
    I got my son (22) a Z10 for his birthday a while back. The next day he asked my why he'd use BBM instead of plain old SMS/texting. He didn't really care that it doesn't rack up his text count, but when he saw the little icons for delivered/read he was sold. It's the ONLY way he contacts me now after YEARS of texting.
    09-10-13 09:19 PM
  21. seemsixty7's Avatar
    Question, does Imessage work over wifi only? One reason I love BBM is because it is not dependent on my phone having a cellular signal. Since tmobile activated the wifi ability on my phone I can now send SMS over wifi as well as make phone calls. Can imessage work on wifi like that or is it carrier dependant? What about WhatsApp? Does it allow for wifi only method? Do they seamlessly transition between data transmission methods?

    Posted via CB10
    09-10-13 10:28 PM
  22. anon62607's Avatar
    Question, does Imessage work over wifi only? One reason I love BBM is because it is not dependent on my phone having a cellular signal. Since tmobile activated the wifi ability on my phone I can now send SMS over wifi as well as make phone calls. Can imessage work on wifi like that or is it carrier dependant? What about WhatsApp? Does it allow for wifi only method? Do they seamlessly transition between data transmission methods?

    Posted via CB10
    iMessage works on any data connection (GPRS,1XRTT, EDGE, EVDO, HSPA and LTE and wifi) - you can't send messages via the SMS lowest category (gsm call setup)
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    09-10-13 10:49 PM
  23. WhiteSpir1t's Avatar
    It's a start. I can see how BBM would be the most convenient of all messengers used at the corporate level given the numbers of BlackBerry devices currently in use alongside iOS and Android devices.

    However, if we were to take the numbers of iOS devices sold over BlackBerry, outside the corporate environment, what will BBMX bring that would attract those w/o BlackBerries to use them? Outside the corporate environment, BBM was popular because text messaging wasn't free. Now, we have apps popping up all over the place, like weed, on all platforms.

    The status update feature is old news as in AOL Instant Messenger. We already have WhatsApp, which also has the ability to share pictures/videos, do group chats, and share locations. As for video chat, there's Skype, FaceTime, Viber, Google Talk, ooVoo/FaceBook, Tango, Yahoo Messenger--some of these also support video chat from computer to gadget devices. Now, the app with the best video compression algorithm would theoretically provide for the best chat quality, with the exception to server side/provider/bandwidth issues.

    Judging from the descriptions of BBMX, I just don't see a competitive advantage, besides BBM channels as in IRC channels, but even with that..........I don't know....
    Last edited by WhiteSpir1t; 09-10-13 at 11:23 PM.
    09-10-13 11:11 PM
  24. iN8ter's Avatar
    Somewhere here I suppose this has already been stated, so I apologize (not) if so...
    I got my son (22) a Z10 for his birthday a while back. The next day he asked my why he'd use BBM instead of plain old SMS/texting. He didn't really care that it doesn't rack up his text count, but when he saw the little icons for delivered/read he was sold. It's the ONLY way he contacts me now after YEARS of texting.
    Facebook has Sent/Seen.

    iMessage has Delivered/Read.

    Hangouts has a way of seeing how far the person has read up in the conversation, and it's even more obvious than those little tags or words.

    WhatsApp has Sent/Delivered (no Read, though, and I don't think "Last Seen" has ever been accurate in my use of it)

    ChatOn has something equivalent to Delivered/Read (though not as obvious, it's clearly visible).

    The only tag I care about is Sent or Delivered (depending on if the messaging client supports both or only one of them). I don't really care for read, I just want to make sure my message got to the server. If I cannot trust a messaging service to promptly deliver a message to the recipient (at which case they can read and reply whenever they want, if it's so urgent that I need to know when they read it, I should be calling them not sending a message) then I have no business using it. Sent is more because of volatile network conditions which may exist on my end.

    Also, I've noticed a lot of iOS users have "Read" status toggle off on their devices. Many people simply hate it when others can track when they've Seen or Read a message or IM. It's as annoying as Read or Delivery Reciepts for Email or SMS.

    --- ---

    As for BBM Channels. They will not be a factor.
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    09-11-13 12:22 AM
  25. AlexXF's Avatar
    Read status violate my privacy - I do not want to show someone if I read incoming message without my confirmation.
    09-11-13 01:49 AM
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