If Android is a surveillance tool for Google, and governments, why do BlackBerry users want it?
- If there was ever a time that developers were going to come to BB10... it was pre launch or just after, when there was potential for this to be a platform.
When you have a three year old platform where most commercially released apps are over two years old, are the are missing entirely... it's pretty clear that this isn't a valuable userbase in the eyes of most commercial developers or even the part timers. A few like Nemory are making money, but by offering poor copies of what people really want.
If BlackBerry has plans for BB10... it will start by them updating the developer tools and trying to restart interest with developers. But if they had those plans... why would they have basically shut down everything associated with developers in the first place?
Some hear galloping zebras, I hear unicorns...
Posted via CB10DrBoomBotz likes this.05-17-16 04:05 PMLike 1 - If there was ever a time that developers were going to come to BB10... it was pre launch or just after, when there was potential for this to be a platform.
When you have a three year old platform where most commercially released apps are over two years old, are the are missing entirely... it's pretty clear that this isn't a valuable userbase in the eyes of most commercial developers or even the part timers. A few like Nemory are making money, but by offering poor copies of what people really want.
If BlackBerry has plans for BB10... it will start by them updating the developer tools and trying to restart interest with developers. But if they had those plans... why would they have basically shut down everything associated with developers in the first place?
I see a scenario where, if they can start moving Android phones in sufficient numbers, they can eventually move some resources back to the BB10 side.
New BB10 devices won't be sold through traditional channels (carriers). They will sell them on their website and directly to enterprise customers. The SDK will eventually be updated. Maybe even the Android Runtime.05-17-16 04:09 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB10DrBoomBotz likes this.05-17-16 04:11 PMLike 1 - Why exactly would they do that and ruin the BB10 scrap and salvage business supported by people like you and other diehards that keep sending them money? That's why they've never announced EOL for BBOS7 either. PT Barnum would put you on his mailing list twice just to make sure you got both invitations.
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Posted via CB10DrBoomBotz likes this.05-17-16 04:19 PMLike 1 -
I'm not paying BlackBerry monthly to use my BB10 phones. They are paid for. And they are much more than bricks. They still work. They will still be working tomorrow. And they still do many things no other platform can do.05-17-16 05:10 PMLike 0 - So what does that say for all the people evangelizing BB10? There are plenty of them here. Do you paint them with the same brush? And if not, why not?05-17-16 05:47 PMLike 5
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The USP for the Android guys is the gazillions of apps and games, which I don't have any use for on a mobile phone.05-17-16 06:14 PMLike 0 -
- Why would someone buy a phone in 2017 built with a four year old processor? And will BlackBerry even be able to source the old Qualcomm chips?05-18-16 12:06 AMLike 0
- Nor should you... if security is one of your priorities. SNAP basically not a factor anymore, and while I do trust Cobalt, I really have no reason to. His apps aren't in BBW or Google Play for others to verify. But the CrackBerry Community has a long history of offering alternative solutions to the app problems of the PlayBook and BB10 devices... that over the years have been very questionable when it comes to security..05-18-16 02:08 AMLike 0
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- I agree BB10 is not selling, and that it is a great OS. But I reject your subjective opinion as to its future in favor of my own.
Android is obviously the focus now because it has to be in order for BlackBerry to have any hope of saving their device business. And even if they do hit their sales targets, Android isn't going away - it's essential to their device business going forward.
But I do believe BB10 fills an important role in their product lineup and that they still have many high-profile enterprise customers that will settle for nothing less than a pure BlackBerry-developed OS. Those enterprise customers will be looking to upgrade their device fleets in 2017 and BlackBerry would be foolish not to release a BB10 device or two for those customers.
The device is a minor piece in this equation. Enterprises need their data in an enclave that ensures DLP, tracking, remote destructibility, and policy enforcement.
BB10 did this with BES10 and Balance. The competition also does this only on a lot more platforms and oftentimes with better results.
There's a reason BlackBerry bought their competition.05-18-16 07:43 AMLike 0 -
Why assume they will?
Chen said it cost too much to develop for BB10. The chipset manufactures charge to create custom firmware drivers for BB10 and it would require Chen to have people working (a lot more than are currently working on it) on BB10 to update the OS drivers.
For what? To compete against their new Android offerings? The end-to-end market is a pretty small niche as it is.
The S4 is a discontinued model, and supposedly not being able to get the memory module is why the Classic is now out of production. Would assume the same for the LEAP (now or in the near future). But the 801 from the Passport is still current... But most of the time it's cheaper to buy new "value" chips than to buy a once flagship chip from two or three years ago.
I think an updated Classic with the 801 would be fine for the market the BlackBerry is going to be focused on from now on. BUT... what we don't know is if BlackBerry's agreements with Google, possible prevents them from releasing any new devcies with a forked version of Android. Again removing the runtime would be very costly in development terms. And would probably require re-marketing the OS as something other than BB10, as it would not have the capabilities that BB10 has to run Android.
No Chen hasn't "officially" ruled out new BB10 devcies.
No Chen hasn't "officially" EOL BB10.
But the things he has done do not point to just a temporary putting of BB10 on hold... for developers and customers it looks much more like the end of BB10. If Chen were planning on bringing it back, he did a very poor job of planning for it's return to the market. He is either a fool, or a smart CEO trying not to sell existing inventory at firesale prices.05-18-16 07:59 AMLike 0 - Why assume they will?
Chen said it cost too much to develop for BB10. The chipset manufactures charge to create custom firmware drivers for BB10 and it would require Chen to have people working (a lot more than are currently working on it) on BB10 to update the OS drivers.
For what? To compete against their new Android offerings? The end-to-end market is a pretty small niche as it is.
The S4 is a discontinued model, and supposedly not being able to get the memory module is why the Classic is now out of production. Would assume the same for the LEAP (now or in the near future). But the 801 from the Passport is still current... But most of the time it's cheaper to buy new "value" chips than to buy a once flagship chip from two or three years ago.
I think an updated Classic with the 801 would be fine for the market the BlackBerry is going to be focused on from now on. BUT... what we don't know is if BlackBerry's agreements with Google, possible prevents them from releasing any new devcies with a forked version of Android. Again removing the runtime would be very costly in development terms. And would probably require re-marketing the OS as something other than BB10, as it would not have the capabilities that BB10 has to run Android.
No Chen hasn't "officially" ruled out new BB10 devcies.
No Chen hasn't "officially" EOL BB10.
But the things he has done do not point to just a temporary putting of BB10 on hold... for developers and customers it looks much more like the end of BB10. If Chen were planning on bringing it back, he did a very poor job of planning for it's return to the market. He is either a fool, or a smart CEO trying not to sell existing inventory at firesale prices.
BlackBerry's Android offerings are intended for a broader audience and BB10's future is most certainly tied to theirs. But I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that both platforms can peacefully and synergystically coexist in BlackBerry's product offerings. More options are always good for the customer, right?togarika likes this.05-18-16 10:20 AMLike 1
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