IDC's latest quarterly numbers - an absolute blood bath
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Android Pushes Past 80% Market Share While Windows Phone Shipments Leap 156.0% Year Over Year in the Third Quarter, Blackberry down to 1.7% According to IDC
Android Pushes Past 80% Market Share While Windows Phone Shipments Leap 156.0% Year Over Year in the Third Quarter, According to IDC - prUS2444201311-12-13 09:13 PMLike 0 -
Android Pushes Past 80% Market Share While Windows Phone Shipments Leap 156.0% Year Over Year in the Third Quarter, Blackberry down to 1.7% According to IDC
Android Pushes Past 80% Market Share While Windows Phone Shipments Leap 156.0% Year Over Year in the Third Quarter, According to IDC - prUS2444201311-12-13 09:20 PMLike 3 - 11-12-13 09:26 PMLike 19
- Wow, if those numbers are right, they don't look good for BlackBerry.
Today I was actually re-listening to an old CB podcast--Podcast 88 (June 28, 2012)--in which earnings and sales figures were discussed. 7+ million phones were sold (if I remember right), which is *far more* than recent figures. It might be a tough road ahead trying to turn these numbers around. Chen has his work cut out for him.11-12-13 09:28 PMLike 0 - Wow, if those numbers are right, they don't look good for BlackBerry.
Today I was actually re-listening to an old CB podcast--Podcast 88 (June 28, 2012)--in which earnings and sales figures were discussed. 7+ million phones were sold (if I remember right), which is *far more* than recent figures. It might be a tough road ahead trying to turn these numbers around. Chen has his work cut out for him.11-12-13 09:30 PMLike 0 -
- Yeah, you might be right about the Q5, Q10, and Z10 being less attractive compared to other current phones in the eyes of many consumers. Carrier support, which speaks to your point for the Z30 and AT&T, has been a real issue for BB10, perhaps especially in the U.S. but even in Canada with Rogers being slow(-ish) to offer the Z30.11-12-13 09:37 PMLike 0
- currently z10 sells at $399 on BB site. If they can do a fire sale for a limited time and sell it for $199, I think they will be able to increase sales significantly. That phone will be seriously outdated pretty soon. I can find the 920 unlocked at $250 and it even has better specs than z10.11-12-13 09:37 PMLike 0
- That could be a significant psychological/ideological adjustment for BlackBerry and many of its fans/supporters who tend (I think) to view BlackBerry, its ecosystem, and its products as high-end or premium. However, it's getting hard to argue that with hard numbers of usage, financial losses, weaker-than-expected app development, etc.
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11-12-13 09:42 PMLike 0 - I'm actually more surprised that people are actually surprised by this. When people want to upgrade their phones, it's extremely rare someone will think of buying a Blackberry. The Blackberry name is mud and the products are inferior - there's not way back from this.
The Z30 is essentially just a bigger Z10 - it's not competitive or up to date... and still has a horrible ecosystem backing it. The Z30 will make NO difference whatsoever.11-12-13 09:43 PMLike 12 - currently z10 sells at $399 on BB site. If they can do a fire sale for a limited time and sell it for $199, I think they will be able to increase sales significantly. That phone will be seriously outdated pretty soon. I can find the 920 unlocked at $250 and the 920 has better specs than z10.
i dont know how many Z10 on inventory today, but BB10 still not selling, they already cut the price but still they losing market share. developed market dont want them, emerging market already migrate to android...with $199 you can get a decent android phone.11-12-13 09:44 PMLike 0 - That could be a significant psychological/ideological adjustment for BlackBerry and many of its fans/supporters who tend (I think) to view BlackBerry, it's ecosystem, and it's products as high-end or premium. However, it's getting hard to argue that with hard numbers of usage, financial losses, weaker-than-expected app development, etc.11-12-13 09:46 PMLike 9
- currently z10 sells at $399 on BB site. If they can do a fire sale for a limited time and sell it for $199, I think they will be able to increase sales significantly. That phone will be seriously outdated pretty soon. I can find the 920 unlocked at $250 and it even has better specs than z10.
Imagine if Microsoft had this adoption rate during the transition from MS DOS to Windows or Win 3.x to Win 95? Or if Apple faced this adoption rate moving from the Apple SOS operating system to Macintosh or the transition from Mac OS 9.x to Mac OS X? It would have been very tough for either of those companies to have survived in those situations I think.11-12-13 09:53 PMLike 0 - Yeah, they need to unload the Z10s and really get whatever they can for them because the inventory is only going to depreciate more and more as time passes. Maybe use the inventory to try and get BBOS users to upgrade to BB10, because this was a strategy articulated by BlackBerry (at least as far back as 2012, if not earlier) that for various reasons has never been successfully executed. If you can't get current customers to upgrade to new platform, what does that mean for trying to win over new customers from other ecosystems? The adoption rate has been bad.
Imagine if Microsoft had this adoption rate of the transition from MS DOS to Windows or Win 3.x to Win 95? Or if Apple faced this adoption rate moving from the Apple SOS operating system to Macintosh or the transition from Mac OS 9.x to Mac OS X? It would have been very tough for either of those companies to have survived in those situations I think.11-12-13 10:01 PMLike 4 - I can't help visualizing this scenario is playing out somewhere in the frigid waters of the North Atlantic !propeller10 and bekkay like this.11-12-13 10:04 PMLike 2
- Yeah, somehow they need to incentivize the upgrade from BBOS to BB10. A discount, rebate, App World credit, accessories, etc.--something along those lines. It's going to hurt device margins and/or short-term profits, but it could be one of the last good chances to turn things around because the continued influx of low-cost Android devices is probably hindering the conversion of BBOS users to BB10. Regardless of whether or not you like Android, it's hard to argue that the OS, its ecosystem, its phones are not improving, and the cost many of these phones are coming down to very attractive levels.propeller10 likes this.11-12-13 10:10 PMLike 1
- lol Yeah, maybe they could shoot a commercial with Kate Winslet or something. :-)propeller10 and cwalt2166 like this.11-12-13 10:13 PMLike 2
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Now though, I doubt they could pull off that kind of strategy - aside from the fact that (and it's a big aside) everyone now knows the company is hanging on by a fingernail wanted to be sold and that BB10 has completely lost momentum and support of any kind (consumers, carriers, DEVELOPERS), there is the fact that the company is in huge financial jeopardy and needs revenue.....they can't afford to give the phones away cheap - it was their main revenue stream. Even with all the employees gone, there are still the expenses involved with downsizing etc. I believe they are likely in extreme disarray behind the scenes - if they were ineffectual in their efforts before....who knows what they can do now. Again though....it's the money factor which is the problem in regard to your plan. They might have pulled it off with "3 billion and no debt"...etc.....and the fact that it wouldnt' come to this for a few more quarters.....with big sales (even cheap ones) in early 2013, even if hur the balance sheet, it may never have come to this. Developers might have jumped on board, and we'd at least have reason to believe bb10 has a shot with a big user base and active development. But they....sat on their mound of cash, conserved it, and.....now the jig is up - we all see the edge.
Err....well most of us....I agree berkon....but not a suprise...no matter WHAT happens, no matter how the board reels with bad news...a short time later, some will simply talk as if nothing ever happened....in complete denial.....why yes, it may indeed by a challenging year coming up....oh heavens, I hope we need not worry! Still with all the development coming up - the apps are coming! And the new OS updates, and the z30, we will slowly pull out of it - but it will take time! Maybe years! That's no problem....we have all the time in the world....I think though the tide is turning....people are really excited about the z30 and I have no doubt....11-12-13 10:20 PMLike 5 - Before launch I talked about a possible strategy of getting BB10 into their stronghold developing nations FAST....meaning serious promotion and CHEAP! Get a userbase to woo developers with, and then have some momentum to take into the rich markets.
Now though, I doubt they could pull off that kind of strategy - aside from the fact that (and it's a big aside) everyone now knows the company is hanging on by a fingernail wanted to be sold and that BB10 has completely lost momentum and support of any kind (consumers, carriers, DEVELOPERS), there is the fact that the company is in huge financial jeopardy and needs revenue.....they can't afford to give the phones away cheap - it was their main revenue stream. Even with all the employees gone, there are still the expenses involved with downsizing etc. I believe they are likely in extreme disarray behind the scenes - if they were ineffectual in their efforts before....who knows what they can do now. Again though....it's the money factor which is the problem in regard to your plan. They might have pulled it off with "3 billion and no debt"...etc.....and the fact that it wouldnt' come to this for a few more quarters.....with big sales (even cheap ones) in early 2013, even if hur the balance sheet, it may never have come to this. Developers might have jumped on board, and we'd at least have reason to believe bb10 has a shot with a big user base and active development. But they....sat on their mound of cash, conserved it, and.....now the jig is up - we all see the edge.
Err....well most of us....I agree berkon....but not a suprise...no matter WHAT happens, no matter how the board reels with bad news...a short time later, some will simply talk as if nothing ever happened....in complete denial.....why yes, it may indeed by a challenging year coming up....oh heavens, I hope we need not worry! Still with all the development coming up - the apps are coming! And the new OS updates, and the z30, we will slowly pull out of it - but it will take time! Maybe years! That's no problem....we have all the time in the world....I think though the tide is turning....people are really excited about the z30 and I have no doubt....11-12-13 10:35 PMLike 0 -
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