How will Android App sideloading affect native bb10 app development?
- Why should developers be encouraged any longer to make bb10 apps when they can just make an android app which will work for both platforms.
What a great way to kill off a brand, suffocate it's app development (which wasn't that strong to begin with), google is very smart no wonder they agreed to allow android run time environment on blackberry.
Blackberry 10 committed a lot of resources to developers last year, google basically got all the blackberry developers for free.
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Any developer (or company who hires developers) who wanted to capture the BB10-using market (less than 1 percent) is almost certainly going to devote their resources to making their Android version better and more compatible with BB10 devices using the Android runtime. It just makes sense to focus on two platforms and maybe Windows Mobile if you really want to cover the entire smartphone market.propeller10 likes this.02-01-14 02:08 PMLike 1 - You could look at BB10's Android runtime as one step closer to the holy grail of app compatibility between mobile device platforms.
Wouldn't it be great if any app for any mobile device could run on any other mobile device regardless of the OS? It'll never happen across the board though as there's too much money to be made by tricking people in to proprietary walled gardens with eye candy and promises of 'coolness' (Apple).
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 / 10.2.1.1925 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2BergerKing and Mecca EL like this.02-01-14 02:23 PMLike 2 - You could look at BB10's Android runtime as one step closer to the holy grail of app compatibility between mobile device platforms.
Wouldn't it be great if any app for any mobile device could run on any other mobile device regardless of the OS? It'll never happen across the board though as there's too much money to be made by tricking people in to proprietary walled gardens with eye candy and promises of 'coolness' (Apple).
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Posted via CB1002-01-14 02:27 PMLike 0 - It's very obvious that while the Android runtime helps BB users (and therefore BB) in the short run, it poisons long-term BB development. Sure, a few BB loyalists will still develop for BB, but your average company, or the next "must-have" app's company, is going to look at marketshare and say "iOS and Android only", and when they eventually look into WinPhone and BB, they'll find out that BB users already use their Android app, and will cross BB off the list as "done." Most companies don't have, or can't justify, the resources to write a native app to target a sub-1% marketshare, ESPECIALLY when that market is already being served by their Android app.
I suspect most BB Cascades apps will be written by small, independent companies with 1-5 developers, not counting custom enterprise apps developed under contract for that large corporation - nothing that is open-market.02-01-14 02:30 PMLike 2 -
The Dalvik VM could run on any just about any OS. It won't just be BB10 using it this year, was it Sailfish or the Mozilla phone that is also going down that route for extra app compatibility?
But I agree it can only have a negative effect on native BB10 development if it gets any easier to download Android apps such as BlackBerry bundling 3rd party app store apps like 1Mobile with the OS, that would kill BB World off!
That's why they aren't doing any bundling so far and haven't officially announced any increased Android app compatibility with 10.2.1 so that those who are savvy enough to be in the know can go and get their apps, but those who aren't can continue to feed the native developer community through BB World.
I think the Dalvik VM was something of a contingency plan for BB10. If sales turned out to be poor and the developer community didn't to grow to a certain size and include the key 'big name' apps that consumers want then Plan B was to unleash the Android VM beast in 2014 and see what happens. We are there now, so let's see what happens.
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The other reason I say this is because when I was looking to move from Android I did look at the Z10, a very nice device if I may say so, but I chose to go back to Windows Phone for two reasons, when I checked AppWorld on the store device I only found two of the many apps I had installed on my current device, a Galaxy Nexus, and the other is that there was a distinct lack of information on sideloading Android apps which I only discovered by reading this website and others.
To answer your question though I think the Windows Phone ecosystem is flourishing, at the end of 2013 we had a lot of big name apps and games appearing with even more of them announced for 2014. So, do I think having access to Android apps via a VM on WP is a good idea? Not really, personally I would rather wait for the native apps, 3rd party or official, to appear. We have fantastic developers like Rudy Huyn who have created a lot of 3rd party apps, many of which have forced the hand of the developers of the official apps to release a WP version.02-01-14 06:47 PMLike 0 -
It's more a case of it being better that an app developer crosses BlackBerry off as done by using their Android app than crossing BlackBerry off as in 'not gonna bother' because the platform is too small or worse BlackBerry the company is gone.
That's the harsh reality of where BB10 is today with its app ecosystem. I wish it were different but it is what it is. Android apps right now are breathing life back in to a platform teetering on the brink of existence.
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02-01-14 07:31 PMLike 4 - Why should developers be encouraged any longer to make bb10 apps when they can just make an android app which will work for both platforms.
What a great way to kill off a brand, suffocate it's app development (which wasn't that strong to begin with), google is very smart no wonder they agreed to allow android run time environment on blackberry.
Blackberry 10 committed a lot of resources to developers last year, google basically got all the blackberry developers for free.
Posted via CB10Mecca EL likes this.02-01-14 08:03 PMLike 1 - It can harm BlackBerry in the long run, or help them the truth is only time will tell. If (big IF) they make the Android run-time a little more compatible it would help, I have many android apps that run perfect on my z30 and a couple not so much.
I think (my opinion) there plan is to open up BlackBerry World and allow direct .apk submission to make it less of a hassle for developers.
This could be good and bad for many reasons. BlackBerry World could get a lot of android apps having a good mix with native (350-500,000) over time, which users would generally benefit from, some apps would have a price, which BlackBerry would directly profit from. At the same time will the developers take the time to fix any problems in there app, will they offer support, upgrades etc.
Only time will tell.
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No one is buying BB10 phones. If they are forced out of the handset business, then there's REALLY not going to be any BB developers. At least if they can make the average consumer happy and increase their market share a bit, there will still be future phones and users that devs have an option to work for.02-01-14 10:45 PMLike 0 -
http://appworld.blackberry.com/webst...ntent/33979888
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 / 10.2.1.1925 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.202-02-14 01:00 AMLike 0 - My take on the OP's question is that the side-loading ability on BB10 is a non-factor. If you ask any developer what drives them to create apps for a particular platform, market-share of the platform and whether there are enough potential customers on it to make developing for it a worthwhile effort are the two most frequent answers you will get.
If the Android runtime was removed from every BB10 device, you would not see an avalanche of developers rushing to develop for it. So to me it is a non-factor.
Posted via CB10 from my spectacular Q1002-02-14 01:45 AMLike 0 - OP didn't you already post this in another thread? You alteady said you'd move on from blackberry...what's the point of this again?
Posted via CB1002-02-14 02:11 AMLike 2 - It's very obvious that while the Android runtime helps BB users (and therefore BB) in the short run, it poisons long-term BB development. Sure, a few BB loyalists will still develop for BB, but your average company, or the next "must-have" app's company, is going to look at marketshare and say "iOS and Android only", and when they eventually look into WinPhone and BB, they'll find out that BB users already use their Android app, and will cross BB off the list as "done." Most companies don't have, or can't justify, the resources to write a native app to target a sub-1% marketshare, ESPECIALLY when that market is already being served by their Android app.
I suspect most BB Cascades apps will be written by small, independent companies with 1-5 developers, not counting custom enterprise apps developed under contract for that large corporation - nothing that is open-market.
If people can buy and stick apps on from Android and they already work, indeed, there is zero necessity for anyone big or small to make any efforts for BlackBerry specifically. Just reading endless posts from Android loving app-centric people in these forums alone clearly shows me that a majority of everyone's apps are Android ports. Very depressing looking long-term.
Posted from BitPusher's Q1002-02-14 05:48 AMLike 0 - For BB10, which as a platform hasn't seen the growth that Windows Phone has seen in the last 12 months, the situation is rather different.
It's more a case of it being better that an app developer crosses BlackBerry off as done by using their Android app than crossing BlackBerry off as in 'not gonna bother' because the platform is too small or worse BlackBerry the company is gone.
That's the harsh reality of where BB10 is today with its app ecosystem. I wish it were different but it is what it is. Android apps right now are breathing life back in to a platform teetering on the brink of existence.
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I do think it's a shame that BB10 isn't seen on level terms with other mobile platforms, WP was in the exact same position when it was released and what WP users did was pushed the developers by asking when a WP version would be available. Maybe that would be the thing for BB10 users to do as well.02-02-14 06:11 AMLike 0 - http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=900440
This is another thread by the OP...troll much?
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This is another thread by the OP...troll much?
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I do think it's a shame that BB10 isn't seen on level terms with other mobile platforms, WP was in the exact same position when it was released and what WP users did was pushed the developers by asking when a WP version would be available. Maybe that would be the thing for BB10 users to do as well.
Posted from my Samsung Galaxy Note Tablet02-02-14 11:56 AMLike 0 - I do think it's a shame that BB10 isn't seen on level terms with other mobile platforms, WP was in the exact same position when it was released and what WP users did was pushed the developers by asking when a WP version would be available. Maybe that would be the thing for BB10 users to do as well.
That misconception is partly BlackBerry's fault for not getting big name developers on board, partly a momentum and cultural thing of BlackBerry's own making by sticking with the under-performing hard to develop for BBOS for so long, and also the result of Microsoft having many many more millions of dollars to spend on winning developers over to Windows Phone.
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