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I appreciate your eloquent reply. I'll only quote parts of it, not because the parts I didn't quote aren't relevant, rather because I agree with them wholeheartedly, and they don't require a response.
I have a laptop and 3G modem that goes with me almost everywhere -- I even have a tray in my car that's designed for it -- and I got the BlackBerry so that I could stay connected in the places where it was in no way practical to use the laptop (like at work). I quickly found that with BlackBerry's superior email and messenging capabilities it was not even necessary to check and reply to emails on the laptop anymore; it was so much faster and more efficient to use the BlackBerry for that. I use the browser only to check a few regular sites (message boards like CB).
In addition to its messenging capabilities, I found that the BlackBerry's device level security, when it comes to contacts and other device data, is of the utmost importance to me. I would hate to see the only readily available, perfectly secure platform's security compromised for any reason, especially not to accommodate application makers (and the consumers who want their products) or for a media experience for which I would never choose a mobile device over a laptop.
Of course not. I want RIM to succeed, but if BlackBerry becomes less secure than it is (if it becomes like Apple or Android), it will fail me. In that case, I wouldn't care if RIM itself failed. And hanging on to BlackBerry os is what I'm doing. I'm using an 8330m.
I guess I just don't understand the level of grumbling about BlackBerry. (If the grumblers aren't outright switching, they're grumbling about being locked into contracts, too.) So why don't the grumblers simply go to Apple and Android and be happy there? It sure looks like they switch to iPhone or Android and then complain about BlackBerry not being the same thing. If the solution for those people is to switch to one of those devices, why complain about BlackBerry? It's kind of like complaining about the problem and the solution, and it's annoying. It seems that for them the solution is for BlackBerry to change. Why? If Apple and Android are so great, go there and bask in their greatness! I kind of feel like they are getting what they want on those platforms yet still coming to BlackBerry to potentially ruin things for me. There is no more secure platform. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but if security is watered down for media, where's the choice then? Already we have two less secure, media friendly platforms (Apple and Android). Why do we need three less secure, media friendly platforms?
I also don't like when things are changed for what I perceive to be stupid reasons. I'll give an example. I'm an electrician by trade. When I started (in 1988) we were using the 1987 electrical code. The electrical code is updated every three years. Updates can bring about improvements, but since I started, I've seen quite a few updates that were made to accommodate idiots. Rather than compelling the idiots to do something properly in accordance to a fine, efficient rule (or forcing them out of the trade altogether), the entire rule gets written up differently in a way that makes all of us do things in a harder, less efficient manner just because "if we don't write the rule like this, someone might do that." I think not caring about device-level security by any person is stupid. BlackBerry device-level security becoming watered down is a big concern for me when I read all these gripes of how BlackBerry should become more like iPhone or Android.
I switched to my computer to compose this reply, because I find that it's easier to deal with a split up quote (or multiple embedded quotes) from the computer. I could do it from the BlackBerry, but it would take me longer. If an iPhone or Android can do it as fast as (or faster than) a computer, it's still not reason enough for me to switch to either of those less secure platforms.
Thanks for the meaningful exchange,
Tony05-14-11 02:33 PM - I think you are terribly misinformed. QNX is going to be extremely secure, for example its used by the military, therefore has or will have the same level of security as BlackBerrys have now. They wouldn't put out a product without that level of security because of all of their business ties.In addition to its messenging capabilities, I found that the BlackBerry's device level security, when it comes to contacts and other device data, is of the utmost importance to me. I would hate to see the only readily available, perfectly secure platform's security compromised for any reason, especially not to accommodate application makers (and the consumers who want their products) or for a media experience for which I would never choose a mobile device over a laptop.
Of course not. I want RIM to succeed, but if BlackBerry becomes less secure than it is (if it becomes like Apple or Android), it will fail me. In that case, I wouldn't care if RIM itself failed. And hanging on to BlackBerry os is what I'm doing. I'm using an 8330m.
I guess I just don't understand the level of grumbling about BlackBerry. (If the grumblers aren't outright switching, they're grumbling about being locked into contracts, too.) So why don't the grumblers simply go to Apple and Android and be happy there? It sure looks like they switch to iPhone or Android and then complain about BlackBerry not being the same thing. If the solution for those people is to switch to one of those devices, why complain about BlackBerry? It's kind of like complaining about the problem and the solution, and it's annoying. It seems that for them the solution is for BlackBerry to change. Why? If Apple and Android are so great, go there and bask in their greatness! I kind of feel like they are getting what they want on those platforms yet still coming to BlackBerry to potentially ruin things for me. There is no more secure platform. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but if security is watered down for media, where's the choice then? Already we have two less secure, media friendly platforms (Apple and Android). Why do we need three less secure, media friendly platforms?
I switched to my computer to compose this reply, because I find that it's easier to deal with a split up quote (or multiple embedded quotes) from the computer. I could do it from the BlackBerry, but it would take me longer. If an iPhone or Android can do it as fast as (or faster than) a computer, it's still not reason enough for me to switch to either of those less secure platforms.
And people that leave to Apple and Android come back here because they do like RIM and want to use their products, but their current phones simply don't do apps and multimedia as good as the competition right now.
And BlackBerry clearly needs to change and become more consumer friendly. More and more people are switching because they can simply do more and more from their phones now, some of which isn't capable with BlackBerry right now. The only way to get those people back is to change significantly or else they won't be a company for very much longer. So those people that "potentially ruin things for you" are the people that are making RIM keep up with competition and stay afloat.05-14-11 05:25 PM - I can appreciate that and understand how you feel. You are one of those that don't believe RIM needs to become more like Android and iOS. And there are a lot of people that feel that way. Many BB diehards feel that exact way that there's nothing wrong with it so RIM doesn't need to change it. And I can understand that. But I just think that just because some people don't think that nothing is wrong doesn't necessarily mean that's the case. For all intents and purposes BBOS is sufficient for users. But RIM is looking towards the future. And like any computer that either has a computer platform or mobile platform, it has to evolve over time. The BBOS has been basically the same for almost a decade with incremental updates and added features but for the most part the 8700 can accomplish most things the 9700 can. The BBOS was built for the enterprise. But RIM knows that the smartphone market now is not what it was 5+ years ago. So they need something that's more user friendly to the average person, great multimedia capabilities and has the "bells and whistles" because that's what people want. Not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is.I appreciate your eloquent reply. I'll only quote parts of it, not because the parts I didn't quote aren't relevant, rather because I agree with them wholeheartedly, and they don't require a response.
I have a laptop and 3G modem that goes with me almost everywhere -- I even have a tray in my car that's designed for it -- and I got the BlackBerry so that I could stay connected in the places where it was in no way practical to use the laptop (like at work). I quickly found that with BlackBerry's superior email and messenging capabilities it was not even necessary to check and reply to emails on the laptop anymore; it was so much faster and more efficient to use the BlackBerry for that. I use the browser only to check a few regular sites (message boards like CB).
In addition to its messenging capabilities, I found that the BlackBerry's device level security, when it comes to contacts and other device data, is of the utmost importance to me. I would hate to see the only readily available, perfectly secure platform's security compromised for any reason, especially not to accommodate application makers (and the consumers who want their products) or for a media experience for which I would never choose a mobile device over a laptop.
Of course not. I want RIM to succeed, but if BlackBerry becomes less secure than it is (if it becomes like Apple or Android), it will fail me. In that case, I wouldn't care if RIM itself failed. And hanging on to BlackBerry os is what I'm doing. I'm using an 8330m.
I guess I just don't understand the level of grumbling about BlackBerry. (If the grumblers aren't outright switching, they're grumbling about being locked into contracts, too.) So why don't the grumblers simply go to Apple and Android and be happy there? It sure looks like they switch to iPhone or Android and then complain about BlackBerry not being the same thing. If the solution for those people is to switch to one of those devices, why complain about BlackBerry? It's kind of like complaining about the problem and the solution, and it's annoying. It seems that for them the solution is for BlackBerry to change. Why? If Apple and Android are so great, go there and bask in their greatness! I kind of feel like they are getting what they want on those platforms yet still coming to BlackBerry to potentially ruin things for me. There is no more secure platform. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but if security is watered down for media, where's the choice then? Already we have two less secure, media friendly platforms (Apple and Android). Why do we need three less secure, media friendly platforms?
I also don't like when things are changed for what I perceive to be stupid reasons. I'll give an example. I'm an electrician by trade. When I started (in 1988) we were using the 1987 electrical code. The electrical code is updated every three years. Updates can bring about improvements, but since I started, I've seen quite a few updates that were made to accommodate idiots. Rather than compelling the idiots to do something properly in accordance to a fine, efficient rule (or forcing them out of the trade altogether), the entire rule gets written up differently in a way that makes all of us do things in a harder, less efficient manner just because "if we don't write the rule like this, someone might do that." I think not caring about device-level security by any person is stupid. BlackBerry device-level security becoming watered down is a big concern for me when I read all these gripes of how BlackBerry should become more like iPhone or Android.
I switched to my computer to compose this reply, because I find that it's easier to deal with a split up quote (or multiple embedded quotes) from the computer. I could do it from the BlackBerry, but it would take me longer. If an iPhone or Android can do it as fast as (or faster than) a computer, it's still not reason enough for me to switch to either of those less secure platforms.
Thanks for the meaningful exchange,
Tony
I just think RIM is no different than any other technology company that produces it's own software that has to evolve and change over time according to the needs and wants of the market as well to keep up/stay ahead of your competition.Last edited by scorpiodsu; 05-14-11 at 10:00 PM.
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