Have Smartphone OEM's hit the panic button?
- That's my number one gripe with Android in general. The hardware is so dang good on my Samsung S9 and Black Edition BlackBerry KeyOne that I just cannot rationalize nor would I purchase anything new. My Samsung is current, still updated regularly and will receive security patches until 2022. (As a slab prefer the physical size, headjack, LED, and notch/holeless screen) I knew when purchasing my BE it was only going to get 24 mo but figured since BlackBerry took extra steps to secure their version of Android and I am very careful with the apps I use (not many) I am about as safe as anyone else that is mindful. With the Twitter debacle and recent security breach it just goes to show if your important enough nobody is really safe anywhere. The weak link these days is looking like applications and not OS as most of the OS issues are hypothetical issues that would rarely if ever occur in real world usage.
So yeah in a way they are providing great update and patching solution... if you buy their flagship products. Don't go buy an A71 and expect the same treatment, unless it's specifically an Enterprise Model.07-21-20 01:28 PMLike 0 - From what I understand.... your S9 isn't on the Android 11 list ... Samsung is still only promising three years of patches, but I know the S7 that I have got four years of patches and the S8 is now moving beyond three years as well. But that last year it was more quarterly than montly.... but still updates.
So yeah in a way they are providing great update and patching solution... if you buy their flagship products. Don't go buy an A71 and expect the same treatment, unless it's specifically an Enterprise Model.
What is somewhat newer and beneficial for Samsung users is their One UI (which I find excellent). My S9 is slated to get version 2.1 shortly. And Samsung being the defacto Android OEM usually has features a year prior to the upcoming OS version, like system wide Dark Mode I had on Pie but was not adopted by Android in general until 10.
It's not perfect as I would greatly prefer 3 OS version updates (that I believe they will soon adopt if Apple's SE and upcoming SE Plus continue to take a bite out of Android users. Read last night the SE is one of the few sales bright spots for Apple, like the A51 is for Samsung.07-21-20 01:47 PMLike 0 -
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I recall John Chin saying Chinese manufacturers could produce a modern slab for $75 dollars and that was @ 4-5 years ago.
Imagine the huge margins on the SE. That tooling and parts have been around for @ 5 years or a little less. It almost exactly fits the mold of what I have discussed in other threads about OEM's producing the same device for more than one year. In this case the form factor goes all the way back to the iPhone 6.07-21-20 02:44 PMLike 0 -
.07-21-20 02:57 PMLike 0 - Yes unless the profit margins are much bigger than the layperson knows. It's not like the form factor or majority of parts are new.
I recall John Chin saying Chinese manufacturers could produce a modern slab for $75 dollars and that was @ 4-5 years ago.
Imagine the huge margins on the SE. That tooling and parts have been around for @ 5 years or a little less. It almost exactly fits the mold of what I have discussed in other threads about OEM's producing the same device for more than one year. In this case the form factor goes all the way back to the iPhone 6.
Have not see a tear down or cost estimate for this year's iPhone SE. But I'm sure it's not $75, maybe $175. That would be inline with Apple and Samsung's markups on hardware. Now Chinese players... they work more off $15, $20, $25 a unit with volume. But with volume falling, that's going to need to increase.07-21-20 03:38 PMLike 0 - So the numbers are in, it’s a blood bath for a lot OEMs, but Apple, who have seen a big jump in sales thanks to iPhone SE and iPhone 11, their strategy really seems to be working, I can only imagine how much better it would have been without the pandemic...
iPhone SE contributed 28% of sales while iPhone 11 contributed 40%. Seems pretty clear that not everyone wants a big screen, many were waiting for a small screen phone.
30% decline for Samsung despite their endless large screened “value” A series models, would have expected them to see sharp sales growth.
Apple smartphone sales growing strongly as global smartphone market declines in Q2
https://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_sales_...news-44545.php
So don’t be surprised at most Android OEMs hitting the panic button, as the situation seems a lot worse than initially thought, this pandemic is really exposing a lot of weaknesses in some company’s business models.Last edited by Tsepz_GP; 08-01-20 at 04:39 AM.
08-01-20 04:24 AMLike 2 - So the numbers are in, it’s a blood bath for a lot OEMs, but Apple, who have seen a big jump in sales thanks to iPhone SE and iPhone 11, their strategy really seems to be working, I can only imagine how much better it would have been without the pandemic...
iPhone SE contributed 28% of sales while iPhone 11 contributed 40%. Seems pretty clear that not everyone wants a big screen, many were waiting for a small screen phone.
30% decline for Samsung despite their endless large screened “value” A series models, would have expected them to see sharp sales growth.
Apple smartphone sales growing strongly as global smartphone market declines in Q2
[IMG=500x556]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200801/9a79da0b634905a5d987bf4e389dd8bc.jpg[/url]
https://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_sales_...news-44545.php
So don’t be surprised at most Android OEMs hitting the panic button, as the situation seems a lot worse than initially thought, this pandemic is really exposing a lot of weaknesses in some company’s business models.
I just picked up a Lenovo C340 Chromebook for 275 dollars for our soon to be 7th grader that will be officially supported until he gets out of High School in 2026. 🤘😎08-01-20 12:44 PMLike 2 - Parts aren't Parts....
Have not see a tear down or cost estimate for this year's iPhone SE. But I'm sure it's not $75, maybe $175. That would be inline with Apple and Samsung's markups on hardware. Now Chinese players... they work more off $15, $20, $25 a unit with volume. But with volume falling, that's going to need to increase.
Once BlackBerry Mobile and BlackBerry Ltd. had perfected their version of the Key devices that's exactly what I believed they should have done. Just update the SOC. As it is now we will never know. That being said I still enjoy the heck out of the engineering and using my BE version.08-01-20 12:50 PMLike 0 - So the numbers are in, it’s a blood bath for a lot OEMs, but Apple, who have seen a big jump in sales thanks to iPhone SE and iPhone 11, their strategy really seems to be working, I can only imagine how much better it would have been without the pandemic...
iPhone SE contributed 28% of sales while iPhone 11 contributed 40%. Seems pretty clear that not everyone wants a big screen, many were waiting for a small screen phone.
30% decline for Samsung despite their endless large screened “value” A series models, would have expected them to see sharp sales growth.
Apple smartphone sales growing strongly as global smartphone market declines in Q2
[IMG=500x556]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200801/9a79da0b634905a5d987bf4e389dd8bc.jpg[/url]
https://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_sales_...news-44545.php
So don’t be surprised at most Android OEMs hitting the panic button, as the situation seems a lot worse than initially thought, this pandemic is really exposing a lot of weaknesses in some company’s business models.
I expect Motorola/Lenovo to step up here as well.08-01-20 12:54 PMLike 0 - I hope it forces those that remain to support and update Android devices longer. There is no reason they are not capable of doing so.
I just picked up a Lenovo C340 Chromebook for 275 dollars for our soon to be 7th grader that will be officially supported until he gets out of High School in 2026. ������������
Absolutely agreed! It’s time these OEMs focused more on their existing customers, it will help to better shape their perception of them and to keep them longer.
I just picked up a 2020 11” iPad Pro with A12Z chip and 6GB RAM, coming from my iPad Air 2 that I got back in 2015, that iPad Air 2 is now running iOS 14 Beta as it is eligible to get the final update in the fall, over 5 years worth of support, so I know my current iPad Pro will easily make it to 2026 with updates, so I simply go back to Apple and I am happy to invest in the ecosystem due to its longevity of support.
I hope Samsung focus more on this, they are truly capable of building and supporting a robust ecosystem with Google.bh7171 likes this.08-01-20 12:55 PMLike 1 - So the numbers are in, it’s a blood bath for a lot OEMs, but Apple, who have seen a big jump in sales thanks to iPhone SE and iPhone 11, their strategy really seems to be working, I can only imagine how much better it would have been without the pandemic...
iPhone SE contributed 28% of sales while iPhone 11 contributed 40%. Seems pretty clear that not everyone wants a big screen, many were waiting for a small screen phone.
30% decline for Samsung despite their endless large screened “value” A series models, would have expected them to see sharp sales growth.
Apple smartphone sales growing strongly as global smartphone market declines in Q2
[IMG=500x556]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200801/9a79da0b634905a5d987bf4e389dd8bc.jpg[/url]
https://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_sales_...news-44545.php
So don’t be surprised at most Android OEMs hitting the panic button, as the situation seems a lot worse than initially thought, this pandemic is really exposing a lot of weaknesses in some company’s business models.08-01-20 12:56 PMLike 0 - Absolutely agreed! It’s time these OEMs focused more on their existing customers, it will help to better shape their perception of them and to keep them longer.
I just picked up a 2020 11” iPad Pro with A12Z chip and 6GB RAM, coming from my iPad Air 2 that I got back in 2015, that iPad Air 2 is now running iOS 14 Beta as it is eligible to get the final update in the fall, over 5 years worth of support, so I know my current iPad Pro will easily make it to 2026 with updates, so I simply go back to Apple and I am happy to invest in the ecosystem due to its longevity of support.
I hope Samsung focus more on this, they are truly capable of building and supporting a robust ecosystem with Google.
REALLY cool how Google and Microsoft are working in conjunction with Android devices.08-01-20 01:00 PMLike 0 -
This like Porsche gaining market share while Toyota loses it in a recession.
To top that off Apple do not play the market share game, they are more focused on getting people locked into to the ecosystem, they releases an SE once every 3-4 years it seems, their timing was perfect with this one. In actual fact the more expensive iPhone 11 takes the bulk of sales which is even mire more mind blowing08-01-20 01:02 PMLike 0 - Haven’t looked at PC numbers, but seeing how much share Apple has gained in COVID-19 is really striking, considering how much smaller the number of devices they offer is and more expensive the majority of their devices are, I’m surprised that Android OEMs that sell phones that are sub $300 are not seeing growth the way Apple is, it’s crazy.
This like Porsche gaining market share while Toyota loses it in a recession.
To top that off Apple do not play the market share game, they are more focused on getting people locked into to the ecosystem, they releases an SE once every 3-4 years it seems, their timing was perfect with this one.08-01-20 01:06 PMLike 0 - Apple's sales drivers are the "Corollas" of their line up. The SE is free or @ 99 dollars on carrier deals. The 11 is BOGO at others. NO DOUBT Apple's strategy with these devices are winning. Android HAS to step up support or these #'s for Apple will continue trending upward at least here in NA.
Down here in South Africa the iPhone SE competitors are still half the price of the cheapest model even on the best deals. The Huawei P40 Lite I have for review and Galaxy A31 are about $310 less than the cheapest SE, even more with the 11.08-01-20 01:15 PMLike 0 - What is the price difference between the 11 and SE compared to their competitors?
Down here in South Africa the iPhone SE competitors are still half the price of the cheapest model even on the best deals. The Huawei P40 Lite I have for review and Galaxy A31 are about $310 less than the cheapest SE, even more with the 11.
On the other hand, carrier subsidies (they exist, but generally are not a lot) are much more on Samsung devices than on Apple ones. On the most expensive plan my own carrier has, the A71 is free, while the new SE still costs like 100 euro
NB. these prices as customary in Europe, already include taxesTsepz_GP likes this.08-02-20 05:18 AMLike 1 - Your comment makes a lot of sense Pdr, as can be seen below it seems Samsung has lost a chunk of sales this year,the only device they have in the top 10 list for H1 2020 is the Galaxy A51, all their other phones simply did not sell enough to make it in, they seem to be facing fierce competition from Apple and Xiaomi:
https://stuff.co.za/2020/09/01/apple...erable-margin/
Incredible how Apple has their 2 most expensive models (11 Pro and 11 Pro Max) in the top 10 sales considering the situation we are in right now,people still want these phones.
Xiaomi is looking poised to takeover where Huawei has left off.09-01-20 06:09 AMLike 0
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