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  1. EndRacism's Avatar
    I'm on T-Mobile USA sim, My phones are BB keyone 64GB, OnePlus McLaren, and day to day phone is BB Passport.

    I've gone to T-Mobile to check compatibility of each phone to T-Mobile usability with IEMI.

    First off; No phone says VoLTE when looking at phones Network Technology. Pretty much I see GSM/HSPA/LTE, but never see VoLTE on any voice. Double checking on gsmarena.

    So what is it that will say if a phone has VoLTE?

    Also, a funny thing about the OnePlus McLaren that I bought directly through T-Mobile at a local T-Mobile store. When I check compatibility by IEMI it says; "We can’t confirm that this device is unblocked. Please contact the original wireless carrier for information about the device’s status."

    And on the BB Passport that I run everyday on T-Mobile sim says it isn't compatible.

    The BB Keyone 64GB comes up on the IEMI checks as;

    You’re all set.
    Your device is compatible with the T‑Mobile network and can take advantage of our most powerful signal, Extended Range LTE.

    BlackBerry Mercury
    IMEI: 35....

    This device is fully compatible with T-Mobile’s network technology.
    This device is not blocked from use on our network.
    10-17-21 06:32 AM
  2. conite's Avatar
    I'm on T-Mobile USA sim, My phones are BB keyone 64GB, OnePlus McLaren, and day to day phone is BB Passport.

    I've gone to T-Mobile to check compatibility of each phone to T-Mobile usability with IEMI.

    First off; No phone says VoLTE when looking at phones Network Technology. Pretty much I see GSM/HSPA/LTE, but never see VoLTE on any voice. Double checking on gsmarena.

    So what is it that will say if a phone has VoLTE?

    Also, a funny thing about the OnePlus McLaren that I bought directly through T-Mobile at a local T-Mobile store. When I check compatibility by IEMI it says; "We can’t confirm that this device is unblocked. Please contact the original wireless carrier for information about the device’s status."

    And on the BB Passport that I run everyday on T-Mobile sim says it isn't compatible.

    The BB Keyone 64GB comes up on the IEMI checks as;

    You’re all set.
    Your device is compatible with the T‑Mobile network and can take advantage of our most powerful signal, Extended Range LTE.

    BlackBerry Mercury
    IMEI: 35....

    This device is fully compatible with T-Mobile’s network technology.
    This device is not blocked from use on our network.
    VoLTE isn't a network - it's a protocol for handling voice via data.
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    10-17-21 08:46 AM
  3. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I'm on T-Mobile USA sim, My phones are BB keyone 64GB, OnePlus McLaren, and day to day phone is BB Passport.

    I've gone to T-Mobile to check compatibility of each phone to T-Mobile usability with IEMI.

    First off; No phone says VoLTE when looking at phones Network Technology. Pretty much I see GSM/HSPA/LTE, but never see VoLTE on any voice. Double checking on gsmarena.

    So what is it that will say if a phone has VoLTE?

    Also, a funny thing about the OnePlus McLaren that I bought directly through T-Mobile at a local T-Mobile store. When I check compatibility by IEMI it says; "We can’t confirm that this device is unblocked. Please contact the original wireless carrier for information about the device’s status."

    And on the BB Passport that I run everyday on T-Mobile sim says it isn't compatible.

    The BB Keyone 64GB comes up on the IEMI checks as;

    You’re all set.
    Your device is compatible with the T‑Mobile network and can take advantage of our most powerful signal, Extended Range LTE.

    BlackBerry Mercury
    IMEI: 35....

    This device is fully compatible with T-Mobile’s network technology.
    This device is not blocked from use on our network.
    Here’s the problem, what bands does each carrier support in your area?

    I have both AT&T KEYone and BE KEYone that I no longer actively use with a SIM card due to being stuck on Android 8.1 today.

    Pretend that’s not an issue for me today and I have AT&T SIM in my AT&T KEYone and my TMO SIM in my BE KEYone where I live in Tampa, FL region. Phone calls have been fine on both devices since if LTE coverage is poor, the phone calls fall back to each carrier’s 3G network GSM respectively. If something is on VZW, their SE KEYone CDMA falls back to VZW 3G network CDMA respectively.

    That’s going to be a problem when 3G is shutdown in my region on all three carriers. With AT&T, LTE data coverage has never been optimal with all bands and towers since day one. When, phone calls need strong LTE data network for VoLTE, between 3/32 specs and the available LTE bands AT&T has always used in my area, I don’t think phone will be very usable anymore.

    With the VZW option, the CDMA KEYone will be DOA when VZW shuts down 3G and it’s only got Legacy network LTE bands and 3/32 specs. It wasn’t ever official VZW so never officially supported….

    The BE KEYone was best performing on my TMO account until it wasn’t. It uses band 4 on TMO and nowadays band 66 is primarily what TMO uses in my area. The phone calls had been fine since I had crappy data speeds when everything falls back to 3G and GSM networks. Without 3G in my area, that missing band 66 will be a huge problem. I verified this last year with a BlackBerry Motion that had band 66 and strong LTE and therefore VoLTE optimization before I retired everything.
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    10-17-21 06:37 PM
  4. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    As you can see, this is a multi-layered problem.

    BBOS and BB10 are going to be completely out of luck, as BBOS doesn't support 4G (and BIS is being shut down, but that's a separate though related issue), and BB10 doesn't support modern implementations of VoLTE, which means no ability to do phone calls or SMS texts.

    For BB-Android phones, things are far more complicated. The phones themselves have the proper technology to support VoLTE, though carriers don't have to support it. Generally, T-Mobile will support any phone that actually functions, Verizon is more restrictive, and AT&T is the most restrictive - only supporting phones that AT&T sold themselves (and this doesn't mean phone MODEL, it means PHONE, so if the phone you are holding wasn't originally sold by AT&T to a customer, it's not going to work on AT&T).

    But, as Chuck pointed out, there's a whole other layer of complication, and that is the radio frequency bands that your phone supports vs. which bands are in use by the carrier. Any phone that currently uses 3G for phone calls won't be able to do that anymore, and will need to complete calls via VoLTE - but this means your phone will have to have an LTE data connection, whereas today, a data connection is not necessary to make phone calls (or send/receive SMS) as long as the phone is getting a 3G connection. And many BB-branded Android phones lack the proper bands for the carrier and/or area they are in, because the carriers have been shuffling things around.

    You might know that part of the 5G spec is to use really high frequency signals, which are good for fast data transfer, especially in dense user areas, such as sports events, concerts, fairs, amusement parks, large hotels, convention centers, etc., but the carriers will also be deploying 5G on their lower-frequency bands that are currently used for 2G/3G phone calls. These lower-frequency (700-900 MHz) frequencies penetrate buildings better, travel farther, and "wrap" around terrain better (good for getting signals into canyons and such), but since they'll be 5G-only, those frequencies will be unavailable to BB-Android phones once the switch-over happens.

    Of course, these problems don't just affect BB-branded phones - nearly all phones that are more than 2 years old face some or all of these issues, and the reality is that most people (in the US) who don't already have a 5G-supporting phone are going to need to move to one sometime in 2022. There's just going to be too many coverage issues for most people not to do so. Obviously if you are using your BB device as your second phone, then that doesn't apply - I'm speaking about folks using it as their primary/only phone.

    The impact of the 5G transition is going to be more impactful to older devices than previous transitions, because there are so many more users and because unlike the LTE rollout, which only replaced 2G frequencies in some areas, this is a significant replacement of services that will have too big of an impact on most people to "just live with it."

    Of course, there will be people who are fortunate enough to have good LTE support in the correct bands where they happen to live/work/operate - and those folks may be able to keep using their BB-Android devices for a while, but many others will find that their phone can no longer make/receive calls when at home, or at work, or in other areas where they spend significant time, and most people aren't going to be able to live with that for very long.
    10-18-21 12:28 AM
  5. kvndoom's Avatar
    last Thursday I was making a call to my wife. I heard a weird ring, and suddenly a recording started playing that my call was being re-routed to Cricket customer service!

    they actually intercepted my phone call to "remind me" that my phone would be a dud in 4 months. I was PISSED. I told the lady that I was fully aware of the cutoff date and for them not to do that again.

    I wasn't thrilled with her answer. "unfortunately I cannot guarantee there will be no further disruptions in your service between now and the turn off date."

    grrrrrrrrrr 😡
    10-18-21 02:31 AM
  6. BergerKing's Avatar
    There's gonna be a great many phone users in the prepaid and postpaid market who're affected by this. I'd considered purchasing a second Note 9 or a Note 10 to replace my venerable former Sprint Note 9. But, with a Speed test I noticed my location was barely squeaking by on LTE, with an abominable 5-8 Mbps data rate. Drove me nuts when I visited Tennessee a couple of months ago, and off in the boonies, I was pulling down 141 Mbps, which is pretty good for AT&T, comparatively.

    I checked the 5G map, and noticed they had just completed 5G activation in the next county over from Jefferson City, MO, and figured, "OK, screw messing around with a pure LTE device, spend the extra money, get a 5G phone now, don't be sorry a few months from now!" So, I bought a lightly used, unlocked, but from AT&T phone now, before the demand skyrockets, and I'm SOL for next year. I don't regret it at all. But a lot of people are going to resent it later, if they don't upgrade very soon.
    10-18-21 05:31 AM
  7. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    There's gonna be a great many phone users in the prepaid and postpaid market who're affected by this. I'd considered purchasing a second Note 9 or a Note 10 to replace my venerable former Sprint Note 9. But, with a Speed test I noticed my location was barely squeaking by on LTE, with an abominable 5-8 Mbps data rate. Drove me nuts when I visited Tennessee a couple of months ago, and off in the boonies, I was pulling down 141 Mbps, which is pretty good for AT&T, comparatively.

    I checked the 5G map, and noticed they had just completed 5G activation in the next county over from Jefferson City, MO, and figured, "OK, screw messing around with a pure LTE device, spend the extra money, get a 5G phone now, don't be sorry a few months from now!" So, I bought a lightly used, unlocked, but from AT&T phone now, before the demand skyrockets, and I'm SOL for next year. I don't regret it at all. But a lot of people are going to resent it later, if they don't upgrade very soon.
    Yeah Carrier's have pretty much finished their role out of Extended Range LTE.... I doubt it get's any better on LTE than it is right now. So if you still see areas where you phone is running on 3G... what will you have? Where as those with newer 5G phones will most likely have a connection. My Dad's house was in a weak coverage area, only got 3G (and barely that)... but my wife's new iPhone now picks up a 5G signal and her Data was good enough to share.
    10-18-21 08:48 AM
  8. kvndoom's Avatar
    There's gonna be a great many phone users in the prepaid and postpaid market who're affected by this. I'd considered purchasing a second Note 9 or a Note 10 to replace my venerable former Sprint Note 9. But, with a Speed test I noticed my location was barely squeaking by on LTE, with an abominable 5-8 Mbps data rate. Drove me nuts when I visited Tennessee a couple of months ago, and off in the boonies, I was pulling down 141 Mbps, which is pretty good for AT&T, comparatively.

    I checked the 5G map, and noticed they had just completed 5G activation in the next county over from Jefferson City, MO, and figured, "OK, screw messing around with a pure LTE device, spend the extra money, get a 5G phone now, don't be sorry a few months from now!" So, I bought a lightly used, unlocked, but from AT&T phone now, before the demand skyrockets, and I'm SOL for next year. I don't regret it at all. But a lot of people are going to resent it later, if they don't upgrade very soon.
    I'm just hoping against hope that the Pixel 5a sees a black Friday sale. If not, I will just have to pay full price for one.
    10-18-21 01:27 PM
  9. beercan640's Avatar
    I narrowed down two phones to replace my Key2 LE on ATT: a Sony Xperia 5 III or Nokia XR20. I talked to a 'specialist' today and they said neither one would be supported even though they are VoLTE. ''Some phones only support VoLTE on certain networks.'' Guess I'll give it another month or two and see if one pops up on ATT's list.

    I am also considering changing to TMobile since they have already turned off their 3G. I entered the IMEI of my Key2 LE on TMobile and it said I was good to go on their network.
    10-18-21 11:57 PM
  10. howarmat's Avatar
    I narrowed down two phones to replace my Key2 LE on ATT: a Sony Xperia 5 III or Nokia XR20. I talked to a 'specialist' today and they said neither one would be supported even though they are VoLTE. ''Some phones only support VoLTE on certain networks.'' Guess I'll give it another month or two and see if one pops up on ATT's list.

    I am also considering changing to TMobile since they have already turned off their 3G. I entered the IMEI of my Key2 LE on TMobile and it said I was good to go on their network.
    nope its still live and kicking

    Key Dates

    As of January 1, 2022 Sprint’s older 3G (CDMA) network will be retired
    As of June 30, 2022 Sprint’s LTE network will be retired
    As of July 1, 2022 T-Mobile’s older 3G UMTS network will be retired
    10-19-21 12:01 AM
  11. beercan640's Avatar
    Thanks for the quick reply.

    I guess I read an incorrect article about TMobile's VoLTE cutoff was in January 2021.
    10-19-21 12:16 AM
  12. joeldf's Avatar
    Thanks for the quick reply.

    I guess I read an incorrect article about TMobile's VoLTE cutoff was in January 2021.
    T-Mobile's 3G shutdown kind of bounced around a bit, but in a corporate letter from Nov 2020, it was originally set for Oct 2021. Then news of it shifting to April of 2022 got out. However, by just this past August, it back to within just 2 months - Oct again.

    Then, by Sept, it was pushed again, this time July of 2022. So that's the current timeframe.

    They are still shutting down the old Sprint CDMA 3G this coming Jan.

    Verizon kicked the can down the road several times for their own 3G shutdown, but have now set the "firm" date of Dec 31 2022 or Jan 1 2023, depending on how any particular article decides to write it.

    AT&T set Feb 2022 as their date and pretty much stuck to that date since originally announcing it. Even the Alarm industry tried to get them to delay that shutdown date, going so far as to petition the FCC. But AT&T just said - too bad.
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    10-19-21 09:20 AM
  13. beercan640's Avatar
    It's really a tough situation for consumers and manufacturers.

    The Sony Xperia 1 III is whitelisted by ATT but the Xperia 5 III is not whitelisted. Both phones have the exact same radio capabilities.
    10-19-21 09:33 AM
  14. pdr733's Avatar
    T-Mobile's 3G shutdown kind of bounced around a bit, but in a corporate letter from Nov 2020, it was originally set for Oct 2021. Then news of it shifting to April of 2022 got out. However, by just this past August, it back to within just 2 months - Oct again.

    Then, by Sept, it was pushed again, this time July of 2022. So that's the current timeframe.

    They are still shutting down the old Sprint CDMA 3G this coming Jan.

    Verizon kicked the can down the road several times for their own 3G shutdown, but have now set the "firm" date of Dec 31 2022 or Jan 1 2023, depending on how any particular article decides to write it.

    AT&T set Feb 2022 as their date and pretty much stuck to that date since originally announcing it. Even the Alarm industry tried to get them to delay that shutdown date, going so far as to petition the FCC. But AT&T just said - too bad.
    As a non American, I obviously disagree with AT&T's whitelisting policies (not sure if here in Europe it would get past regulatory scrutiny) but actually commend them for sticking to the shutdown date!
    If you want to make a big change where a large number of stakeholders are involved and it is going to be disadvantage some of them anyway, it's better to rip off the band aid in one go.
    And regarding BB10 users, there is no point in trying to satisfy them as it is simply not possible (the device is not VoLTE capable and no comparable upgrade device exist).
    There's an user here in CB who suggested to the users concerned that they are supposed to pester the carrier for a new BB10 device - in these situations it's too bad that company reps are not permitted to laugh at the customer : that would be the only fitting answer to this ludicrous suggestion.
    They could, on the other hand, whitelist those key devices (key2, key2 le) which are VoLTE capable (not going to happen but in theory the company could do that)
    All in all as the number of Blackberry users at this point is so minuscule that even if all of them (in the US) were with AT&T, and all of them decided to go to other carrier after the 3G shutdown, it would not make a noticeable dent in their customer numbers.
    10-19-21 11:32 AM
  15. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    It's really a tough situation for consumers and manufacturers.

    The Sony Xperia 1 III is whitelisted by ATT but the Xperia 5 III is not whitelisted. Both phones have the exact same radio capabilities.
    Why is that AT&T problem? If OEM wants certified, it can typically have AT&T whitelist certification.
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    10-19-21 01:36 PM
  16. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    As a non American, I obviously disagree with AT&T's whitelisting policies (not sure if here in Europe it would get past regulatory scrutiny) but actually commend them for sticking to the shutdown date!
    If you want to make a big change where a large number of stakeholders are involved and it is going to be disadvantage some of them anyway, it's better to rip off the band aid in one go.
    And regarding BB10 users, there is no point in trying to satisfy them as it is simply not possible (the device is not VoLTE capable and no comparable upgrade device exist).
    There's an user here in CB who suggested to the users concerned that they are supposed to pester the carrier for a new BB10 device - in these situations it's too bad that company reps are not permitted to laugh at the customer : that would be the only fitting answer to this ludicrous suggestion.
    They could, on the other hand, whitelist those key devices (key2, key2 le) which are VoLTE capable (not going to happen but in theory the company could do that)
    All in all as the number of Blackberry users at this point is so minuscule that even if all of them (in the US) were with AT&T, and all of them decided to go to other carrier after the 3G shutdown, it would not make a noticeable dent in their customer numbers.
    On a per capita basis, with USA having so many lines per actual population, the regulators allow the carriers to ration their bandwidth due to congestion.

    The carriers become a victim of success from a congestion standpoint. The only reason for so many years that Sprint and T-Mobile had such capacity and generous business models, was their lower customer numbers / capacity ratios and huge debt / losing money issues. Sprint attempted to compensate for closed access CDMA by offering huge device and service pricing discounts and T-Mobile by a generous BYOD program and rebate program to pay carriers outstanding bills to entice customers.

    At this point, hence the hard line, AT&T, VZW too, only care for BYOD to extent someone converts over to a carrier sold and supported device sooner than later. Both carriers are happy to lose the subset of PIA customers since over time it chokes T-Mobile from an expense standpoint. Eventually T-Mobile has to adapt similar policies or start going backwards again. Recently, T-Mobile rebranded Sprint Business corporate unit to, surprise, T-Mobile Business and that competitive space is all service and selling devices. T-Mobile will re-deploy staff to support those customers and individual BYOD will suffer.

    All three carriers will only pay lip service to BYOD going forward.
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    10-19-21 01:54 PM
  17. beercan640's Avatar
    Why is that AT&T problem? If OEM wants certified, it can typically have AT&T whitelist certification.
    I never said it was AT&T. I'm saying the consumer 'me' and the manufacturer 'Sony'.
    It's difficult for the consumer to make a purchase from a manufacturer because the consumer doesn't know what will work on a network. I've had ATT reps tell me any VoLTE phone will work and others say only the phones on their list.

    It is a problem though for AT&T because i'm considering changing carriers after 16 years.
    10-19-21 05:20 PM
  18. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I never said it was AT&T. I'm saying the consumer 'me' and the manufacturer 'Sony'.
    It's difficult for the consumer to make a purchase from a manufacturer because the consumer doesn't know what will work on a network. I've had ATT reps tell me any VoLTE phone will work and others say only the phones on their list.

    It is a problem though for AT&T because i'm considering changing carriers after 16 years.
    It's not a problem for AT&T either as they've explained to me. Simply put, as I explained somewhere else, they nor any other carrier really wants BYOD customers. When 5G matures, carriers will pitch BYOD again, entice with carrier sold discounts and then push 6G next.
    10-19-21 05:34 PM
  19. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    It's not a problem for AT&T either as they've explained to me. Simply put, as I explained somewhere else, they nor any other carrier really wants BYOD customers. When 5G matures, carriers will pitch BYOD again, entice with carrier sold discounts and then push 6G next.
    I know analysts expect postpaid subscribers on AT&T to plunge this quarter.... but for the year they still expect net growth. So in the end AT&T doesn't need the fringe customers that will leave because of 3G shutdown or lack of support for fringe devices (which even SONY is today).

    But 100% I think folks should switch.... if there is a carrier that offers better coverage. In the end that's what should be most important, not price or what phones they offer... but who provides you the best coverage.
    10-20-21 08:46 AM
  20. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I know analysts expect postpaid subscribers on AT&T to plunge this quarter.... but for the year they still expect net growth. So in the end AT&T doesn't need the fringe customers that will leave because of 3G shutdown or lack of support for fringe devices (which even SONY is today).

    But 100% I think folks should switch.... if there is a carrier that offers better coverage. In the end that's what should be most important, not price or what phones they offer... but who provides you the best coverage.
    Exactly.. from a 5G perspective, Google Fi / T-Mobile SUCKS for me as far as coverage goes. I’ll be testing AT&T 5G SIM at some point on a prepaid line since I don’t want to mess up my current AT&T postpaid account deal.
    10-20-21 10:43 AM
  21. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Exactly.. from a 5G perspective, Google Fi / T-Mobile SUCKS for me as far as coverage goes. I’ll be testing AT&T 5G SIM at some point on a prepaid line since I don’t want to mess up my current AT&T postpaid account deal.
    But realize that things are going to change radically once the rest of the 5G network comes online. That's especially true of T-Mobile, as they have a bunch of low-frequency bandwidth that they'll be rolling out as 5G, and those frequencies travel farther, penetrate buildings better, and wrap around terrain much more than the higher frequencies used by LTE or the even higher frequencies used by "high-band 5G" - the high-band 5G being intended for cities, stadiums, concert halls, convention centers, and other ultra-high density areas.

    IMO, if you can hold off until after the transition, you'll be able to make FAR better judgements than you can now. It would be a shame to buy a phone today only to find out the map looks very different in just a couple of months.
    10-20-21 10:37 PM
  22. the_boon's Avatar
    most people (in the US) who don't already have a 5G-supporting phone are going to need to move to one sometime in 2022.
    I don't believe that. The first 5G phones really hit the market in 2019, and all of a sudden in 2022 everyone needs one or won't have signal unless they live next to a cell tower? Lol
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    10-21-21 10:37 PM
  23. conite's Avatar
    I don't believe that. The first 5G phones really hit the market in 2019, and all of a sudden in 2022 everyone needs one or won't have signal unless they live next to a cell tower? Lol
    But, as you know, many areas drop to 3G for calls due to lack of 4G reception. Once that is gone, 5G is the only fallback.
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    10-21-21 10:38 PM
  24. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I don't believe that. The first 5G phones really hit the market in 2019, and all of a sudden in 2022 everyone needs one or won't have signal unless they live next to a cell tower? Lol
    My XR and 5a show the issue right now. The XR seems to be dropping to 3G for calls when VoLTE isn't strong enough and my LTE signal isn't the greatest. The 5a isn't finding any 5G towers around me and based on carrier information, that will be changing shortly, and it sounds like 3G swapping out for the 5G capacity soon. All this is on AT&T by the way. My eSIM on 5a is Google Fi on T-Mobile the 5G is much slower than 4G everywhere it seems.
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    10-22-21 07:29 AM
  25. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    5G is running at limited capacity for the time being, but 5G isn't intended for faster individual speeds, it's to greatly expand network capacity in order to handle the flood of new non-phone devices that will be coming soon in massive numbers - things like drones and self-driving cars.

    Anyway, you will see faster speeds after the transition, but not significantly faster, because it's really not necessary. Handling double or triple the current number of devices is what will be vital for the networks.
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    10-22-21 05:11 PM
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