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  1. anon(55900)'s Avatar
    Here's something about Firefox and the developers desire to end Flash once and for all so those who complain about BBbrowser not supporting Flash take note, Flash is being phased out by all parties!

    Adobe Flash must die. Firefox loads the gun | Computerworld

    Posted via CB10
    07-14-15 05:30 AM
  2. jaydee5799's Avatar
    Thank you for the link!
    07-14-15 06:34 AM
  3. bakron1's Avatar
    Yep, out with the old way and in with the new. It's called progress.
    07-14-15 06:54 AM
  4. Cozz4ever's Avatar
    Firefox was never able to really make flash work on any of its browsers. Unstable with memory leaks long term. Browser and/or pc crashes are common. So, to listen to them talking about flash is redundant.

    Flash will be here for a very long time. Practically every single gambling site that has been recently ok'd to gamble has decided to go to flash over html5, for an example.

    Posted via CB10
    07-14-15 07:24 AM
  5. anon(55900)'s Avatar
    Firefox was never able to really make flash work on any of its browsers. Unstable with memory leaks long term. Browser and/or pc crashes are common. So, to listen to them talking about flash is redundant.

    Flash will be here for a very long time. Practically every single gambling site that has been recently ok'd to gamble has decided to go to flash over html5, for an example.

    Posted via CB10
    I used Flash in FF and had no problems.
    07-14-15 07:41 AM
  6. KermEd's Avatar
    We need a Flash Bad, Bear Love Good campaign


    Flash is bad.-occupy-flash.jpg

    Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHaven
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    07-14-15 09:19 AM
  7. kvndoom's Avatar
    Firefox was never able to really make flash work on any of its browsers. Unstable with memory leaks long term. Browser and/or pc crashes are common. So, to listen to them talking about flash is redundant.

    Flash will be here for a very long time. Practically every single gambling site that has been recently ok'd to gamble has decided to go to flash over html5, for an example.

    Posted via CB10
    And?? Porn sites use flush, illegal streaming sites use flush, pretty much every illegal or shady or questionable website out there relies on flush being installed on computers. Youtube moving away from it was a wake up call and if the largest video site in the world doesn't need it, then more should follow suit.

    Oh and virus/malware writers LOVE flush. We just had two zero-day vulnerabilities reported in as many weeks.

    Posted from BlackBerry Classic, Verizon, no camera, 10.3.2.2205
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    07-14-15 09:57 AM
  8. 1magine's Avatar
    Here's something about Firefox and the developers desire to end Flash once and for all so those who complain about BBbrowser not supporting Flash take note, Flash is being phased out by all parties!

    Adobe Flash must die. Firefox loads the gun | Computerworld

    Posted via CB10
    I know - - right? I think they phased it out years ago when Apple wouldn't put It on Iphones,, because it was old and slow. That was what 2008-2009. And since then fortunately, web sites have all phased it out. well...

    Except that virtually all streaming media is still flash based. And well, of course all municipal websites (city and state government sites) use variations of flash to display content. And all major US sporting leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.....)

    But hey, if mobile phone manufacturers say flash is over, and don't want to support them natively - then sure, whatever you say, flash is dead and phased out "by all parties".
    07-14-15 10:10 AM
  9. anon(55900)'s Avatar
    I know - - right? I think they phased it out years ago when Apple wouldn't put It on Iphones,, because it was old and slow. That was what 2008-2009. And since then fortunately, web sites have all phased it out. well...

    Except that virtually all streaming media is still flash based. And well, of course all municipal websites (city and state government sites) use variations of flash to display content. And all major US sporting leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.....)

    But hey, if mobile phone manufacturers say flash is over, and don't want to support them natively - then sure, whatever you say, flash is dead and phased out "by all parties".
    Mobile rules! Glad ur getting on board with that now!
    07-14-15 10:33 AM
  10. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Flash is dead... sites that still rely on it are the ones that are in trouble. But then many of those sites (gambling sites, sports) have mobile sites or mobile Apps that can display their content the way they want it displayed without the Flash.

    But yes Flash sites will be around for a long time.......
    07-14-15 10:49 AM
  11. 1magine's Avatar
    Flash is dead... sites that still rely on it are the ones that are in trouble. But then many of those sites (gambling sites, sports) have mobile sites or mobile Apps that can display their content the way they want it displayed without the Flash.

    But yes Flash sites will be around for a long time.......
    EXACTLY!!! - Dead, dead, dead except for silly sites that are in real trouble like MLB.com. Who the heck goes there? And for those couple of weird people that need for some crazy reason to go there, fortunately there's an MLB mobile app, well except for BB. But the Android works, well, except for video.

    And who in G-d's name is going to these municipal websites to look at what? Tax bills, deeds, mortgages, liens? What kind of sick individual does those things? And even for them I'm sure Tulsa, OK is going to develop a mobile app real soon, right after NYC's ACRIS site which has only been functioning on Flash for a decade either drops Flash or puts out a mobile application. I counted 281 some odd jurisdictions in the US using flash, but I have nothing better to do than ...well it is sorta part of my job, but fortunately there's no money to be made or lost in supporting people in law or government who work with mobile technology to access municipal sites.

    And streaming sites, I could barely count 100 in the ten minutes I tried. These guys are soo stoopid (intentional (sic)). How don't they know that Flash died so long ago?
    07-14-15 11:02 AM
  12. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    EXACTLY!!! - Dead, dead, dead except for silly sites that are in real trouble like MLB.com. Who the heck goes there? And for those couple of weird people that need for some crazy reason to go there, fortunately there's an MLB mobile app, well except for BB. But the Android works, well, except for video.

    And who in G-d's name is going to these municipal websites to look at what? Tax bills, deeds, mortgages, liens? What kind of sick individual does those things? And even for them I'm sure Tulsa, OK is going to develop a mobile app real soon, right after NYC's ACRIS site which has only been functioning on Flash for a decade either drops Flash or puts out a mobile application. I counted 281 some odd jurisdictions in the US using flash, but I have nothing better to do than ...well it is sorta part of my job, but fortunately there's no money to be made or lost in supporting people in law or government who work with mobile technology to access municipal sites.

    And streaming sites, I could barely count 100 in the ten minutes I tried. These guys are soo stoopid (intentional (sic)). How don't they know that Flash died so long ago?
    New versions of Firefox now will be blocking Flash by default....

    Gone in a flash? Facebook says Adobe's plug-in is a security risk no longer worth taking - CNET

    Stamos' death-to-Flash tweet came a week after cyberthieves released 400GB of internal documents stolen from HackingTeam, a Italian security company that helps governments and other organizations steal information. Those documents included details for exploiting weaknesses in Flash, which the HackingTeam called "most beautiful Flash bug for the last four years."

    Since then, independent researchers have verified three previously unknown attacks using Adobe's streaming-video software for browsers. Now, even HackingTeam warns developers and companies to be wary.

    "Before the attack, HackingTeam could control who had access to the technology, which was sold exclusively to governments and government agencies. Now, because of the work of criminals, that ability to control who uses the technology has been lost," the company said in a July 8 press release. "Terrorists, extortionists and others can deploy this technology at will if they have the technical ability to do so. We believe this is an extremely dangerous situation."

    Patches for the software have not yet been issued. Adobe didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
    Hack even worked with BBOS BlackBerry devices....

    How about, FLASH isn't dead.... it's day's are numbered.

    The article did mention that MLB was one of the big proponents of Flash... and that 23% of the pages tracked by the HTTP Archive still use Flash. They say that removing Flash would break the web....

    But that doesn't change the facts that it is a technology that is on it's way out. Especially when Adobe is no longer patching the mobile version of Flash...
    07-14-15 11:46 AM
  13. bap3221's Avatar
    You think adobe flash is bad? Try being a graphic designer and using their programs. HORRIBLE! Bugs that forcequit the programs.

    When adobe was hacked, professional and freelancers were unable to do work for days. They offered us a code for free identity theft protection that didn't work and didn't offer any sort of refund.

    They're a monopoly and don't care about their customers because they have no competition.



    Posted via CB10
    07-14-15 12:08 PM
  14. 1magine's Avatar
    25% of the web uses Flash. 1 in 4 sites. Is it more vulnerable than the alternatives - sure. But so what? Unless you are running BB10 on a BES12 with full security implementation (meaning 100% encryption) end to end you are vulnerable. And from what I can only infer without any paranoia is that any government agency, any ruthless actor who is desperate for the info contained on your mobile device (and no where else) will get that info. End of story. Most everyone keeps there data in several places and those are also relatively easy to get to. We have learned in the last 4 months that NSA has build backdoors into all public and quasi public wifi (Comcast, Verizon, train stations, airports, etc...), they've built backdoors into network printers and wifi direct and miracast devices. They've broken in and stolen thousands of encryption keys and passwords. For more than a decade lasers pointed at glass from long distances could pick up audio and now video of what is happening inside behind closed doors and curtains. People need to accept that set of facts. If someone wants to surveil you, they will find a way. And any government powerful enough to read the serial number of a dollar bill laying on the forest floor at night from a satellite miles above, can certainly find a way to get whatever they want on you. And let's face it, if any government has this information or ability, there will always be a well funded much smarter set of individuals, motivated and able to steal that information: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...97653015,d.dmo OR http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...97653015,d.dmo OR http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...97653015,d.dmo

    OR http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...97653015,d.dmo

    So, is Adobe Flash locked down safe? Nope. Does it really matter to anyone's risk of identity theft, or embarrassing pictures or internet searches? No. It really doesn't.

    For what it's worth, I like HTML, it certainly is faster and better coded. But when 1 in 4 sites use Flash, no matter how bad it is - it is still needed - mobile or otherwise.
    07-14-15 12:09 PM
  15. kvndoom's Avatar
    The very fact that such large institutions with the kind of money they have won't get with the times and stop supporting one of the (if not THE) worst Internet security risks out there speaks volumes for the wisdom of their internal management.

    Java and Flush have already been proven to be terribly insecure and exploits aimed at those platforms have cost billions in lost productivity and criminal activity across the corporate and consumer spaces. Might as well bring back ActiveX while we're at it. What could possibly go wrong?

    Posted from BlackBerry Classic, Verizon, no camera, 10.3.2.2205
    07-14-15 12:10 PM
  16. KermEd's Avatar
    Those are some ugly links lol!

    Flash isn't dead yet, it is dying. But it only dropped about 3% from last year down to around 11% not including adverts - based on the studies I saw in June.

    The hard part is flash does adverts well and adverts in videos well. Until html5 video streaming can take that last bit of video layover - companies will still hold on.

    Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHaven
    07-14-15 12:12 PM
  17. kvndoom's Avatar
    I just realized the folly of discussing adobe flush with someone who actually said he would fill all the free space on his phone to keep it from downloading an OS update, and then demand a refund of said 2 year old phone if the update still went through.

    I think i'll better spend my time convincing Africans not to worry about the mosquitoes since they're going to die of starvation anyway...

    Posted from BlackBerry Classic, Verizon, no camera, 10.3.2.2205
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    07-14-15 12:26 PM
  18. Billy Bob Jimmy Joe's Avatar
    Somebody needs to tell Flash that it's dead. It doesn't seem to know that yet. As it is still around and about.

    BlackBerry Classic
    07-14-15 12:44 PM
  19. lnichols's Avatar
    Well then perhaps BlackBerry should tell the company that handles their quarterly webcasts to migrate off of it since it is so bad and BB10 phones don't support Flash natively anymore. Flash has been known to be garbage for a while, but companies, even BlackBerry, seem too lazy to migrate away fully.

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    07-14-15 03:13 PM
  20. Cozz4ever's Avatar
    And?? Porn sites use flush, illegal streaming sites use flush, pretty much every illegal or shady or questionable website out there relies on flush being installed on computers. Youtube moving away from it was a wake up call and if the largest video site in the world doesn't need it, then more should follow suit.

    Oh and virus/malware writers LOVE flush. We just had two zero-day vulnerabilities reported in as many weeks.

    Posted from BlackBerry Classic, Verizon, no camera, 10.3.2.2205
    And? The point was right there for anyone to see. Flash isn't going anywhere yet.

    Posted via CB10
    07-14-15 03:26 PM
  21. jacwib's Avatar
    sure, flash is bad...

    but if we need to use it we should be able to use it

    christ, this flash thing has gone overboard...

    only time i use it is when i stream stuff :/
    02-01-16 01:30 AM
  22. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Adobe themselves have started to hate it... ...hey?

    It's only a maintenance nightmare for them! :-D

      There's a Crack in the Berry right now...  
    TgeekB likes this.
    02-01-16 02:21 AM
  23. rthonpm's Avatar
    Flash has penetration in the web because it's been around so it's easy to find someone who knows how to build in it, and often just as easy to cherry pick code to do what you want. It's also still around because of the ease of use with DRM solutions, so all of those copyrighted video streams become a little more difficult to record and distribute.

    Flash will die as an active part of the web, but it will take time. HTML5 needs a chance to get more developers to see what it can do, and also for browsers to be able to accept all of the wrappers for the content embedded in multimedia. We're likely to see the bullies on the block like Google and Apple to try and force whatever formats they want onto the rest of the Internet.

    Posted via CB10
    02-01-16 06:02 AM
  24. anon3969612's Avatar
    Well, in industry, pretty much every safety video and online training system uses flash and I don't see them changing anytime soon.
    02-01-16 10:17 AM
  25. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    There is no doubt that Flash is being used a lot still by site developers.

    The issue is that security updates for mobile versions of Adobe players.... are non existent. Most web traffic that uses flash is PC bases, and that is where the malware creators are more focused. So even if you load an infected Flash file, chances are it won't know what to do with Android or BB10. But that doesn't mean that there isn't someone targeting Android (which "could" affect BB10 also).

    BlackBerry killed Flash for their browser for a very good reason, mobile fash was no longer a supported product - there is a security risk in running any software that doesn't get regular security updates.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-01-16 10:54 AM
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