FBI Agrees on unlocking yet another iPhone
- Apple also asked the FBI how they hacked the San Bernardino iPhone but the FBI won't talk.
So basically:
FBI: "Hey, Apple, it's only 1 phone we want to hack. Tell us how."
APPLE: "No, it's not 1 phone. You want to hack all our phones."
FBI: "Nevermind. We got in."
APPLE: "Tell us how. It's only 1 phone, right?"
FBI: "No, it's not 1 phone. Now we can hack all your phones."
I am willing to bet that the FBI simply found the password somewhere and it worked, because yesterday there was the murder investigation in Arkansas and the FBI admitted that they could NOT get into that iPhone, I posted the link in here yesterday.
My other concern is for American jobs. If Apple products are seen as weak or not secure, people will flock to Korean or overseas phones for their security, businesses as well. So I am against the FBI knowing how to hack them.
Also I do not think there would be anything on that San Bernardino iPhone 5C because it was a work phone and the terrorists had already destroyed all their other devices04-01-16 05:03 PMLike 0 - Can you cite a source for "Blackberry has said they would comply regardless of there was a law or not?"
...that is what Chen said: BB would comply with "lawful access requests...within legal and ethical boundaries." Can you show me a source where BB/Chen has said they will hand over information when a warrant/court order has not been issued?04-01-16 05:42 PMLike 0 - A precedent of obtaining a warrant for a specific device(s) and then going to the manufacturer on a case-by-case basis to ask them to unlock, or a third party if manufacturer doesn't comply? I'm OK with that. The onus is on the manufacturer to make sure the third party can't get in...something at which Apple has miserably failed.
Geeze people. I understand you have a hatred, but think a little bit.
Again for the 500th time will one of you security experts please tell me how my BES Q10 is more secure ?04-01-16 07:19 PMLike 0 -
BTW...what are Apple's policies in China like, any idea?04-01-16 07:34 PMLike 0 - So then if you are claiming that it's a PR driven crusade for privacy rights then Blackberry's would simply be the same PR driven campaign. If they have the same policy trying to paint one in a bad light over another doesn't make much sense to me.04-01-16 07:40 PMLike 0
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Now...about China...04-01-16 07:43 PMLike 0 -
And China, I don't know, but I'm sure you have some great input on it though.04-01-16 08:20 PMLike 0 -
Oh, are you sure? Or are you either naive or just "standing up" for a company without looking at their global practices?Crapshoot2010 and Denise in Los Angeles like this.04-01-16 08:31 PMLike 2 - LOL. And what is BlackBerry saying--that they're going to give LE access outside the laws? Is that what you're still sticking to, when I asked you for a source a few posts ago?
Wait a minute...I thought y'all were against generalizations? So what's this about the future intent of the FBI you are extrapolating?
Oh, are you sure? Or are you either naive or just "standing up" for a company without looking at their global practices?
Lol I don't need to be naive to know that the practices of big brother with everything going on in the US as far as profiling and how much information the government wants on everyone. Are you a US citizen or Canadian? Just curious.
And I don't know what the practices are in China. I don't typically follow what the privacy laws are in non free countries but I'll make sure to read up on them and report back to you.04-01-16 08:40 PMLike 0 -
Toodeurep likes this.04-01-16 08:56 PMLike 1 - Alrighty, then. What do you make of Bruce Sewell's quoted testimony? Specifically, this part: "The decisions should be made by you and your colleagues as representatives of the people?"
US citizen. Did you notice the "protecting American jobs" nationalistic post in this thread? Just curious.04-01-16 09:02 PMLike 0 - But there already is a law that allows the FBI access: it's the one that was interpreted in their favor in the San Bernardino case. So where is Apple leading the horse here?04-01-16 09:06 PMLike 0
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- Sigh. No I remember. They were ordered to unlock a phone by a judge. They refused because the FBI wanted a back door and not just that one phone unlocked, which there is no law stating that a back door would have to be provided, which Apple refused to do. Now please tell me again how Apple is wrong and how I should look into the privacy practices in a non free country like China. Spin away; I'll keep listening and I guess we will just go on and on. You can praise Blackberry till the death and that's fine. I'm not against them at all I just think the hate on Apple is absolutely ridiculous and petty by people who are still upset that they took away customers from Blackberry. But please continue.04-01-16 09:35 PMLike 0
- Sigh. No I remember. They were ordered to unlock a phone by a judge. They refused because the FBI wanted a back door and not just that one phone unlocked, which there is no law stating that a back door would have to be provided, which Apple refused to do. Now please tell me again how Apple is wrong and how I should look into the privacy practices in a non free country like China. Spin away; I'll keep listening and I guess we will just go on and on. You can praise Blackberry till the death and that's fine. I'm not against them at all I just think the hate on Apple is absolutely ridiculous and petty by people who are still upset that they took away customers from Blackberry. But please continue.
My point--which seems to have escaped you--is that Apple has this one PR-driven stance in the US, whereas they sell devices in China after submitting them to government authorities for "security checks." So which Apple is the real Apple? Spin away!
Oh..and can you please link me to the post in this thread where I "praised" BlackBerry for their policy?04-01-16 09:50 PMLike 0 - Since you ask so nicely, I'll continue.
My point--which seems to have escaped you--is that Apple has this one PR-driven stance in the US, whereas they sell devices in China after submitting them to government authorities for "security checks." So which Apple is the real Apple? Spin away!
Oh..and can you please link me to the post in this thread where I "praised" BlackBerry for their wpolicy?
And I never said you praised them for their policy. I just said you praise them. Which maybe was a poor choice of words. I question a lot of what I think are terrible decisions and terrible ways to treat customers by BB. Doesn't mean I hate them. I also don't have some ridiculous blind hate for Apple. I think they make a good product of which I sometimes use while also using a crap ton of BB10 phones and the Priv.
If we really wanted to get into a privacy debate we could go on and on about how Blackberry is marketing their Android phone as private, when that couldn't be farther from the truth. It's allowing Google access to your information plain and simple. It can help protect you from apps gaining access (Well not really protect, but warn you with Dtek) but it somehow magically excludes all Google apps from DTek. But let's not do that because I'm sure you and I will go round and round on that too.
I don't want to really argue with you anymore so if you want to respond one more time please feel free but we will just have to agree to disagree. It's Friday night and time to go out with my lovely wife and in the morning I won't care enough to even continue this. I have enjoyed going back and forth with you but we aren't really going to get anywhere. Have a good night.raino likes this.04-01-16 10:42 PMLike 1 - So a normal Blackberry with no BES is as insecure as Android?
What about Google collecting all our info n data..Will it still be possible even if one uses Blackberry with no Gmail Account sync?
Can Blackberry be hacked as easily as Android?
Are all apps in BB World collect data the same way as apps on Play Store does?04-02-16 02:23 AMLike 0 -
FBI Says It Unlocked San Bernardino Gunman?s iPhone Without Help From Apple | KTLA
Judge: Apple must help FBI unlock San Bernardino shooter?s iPhone | Ars Technica
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/te...case.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...cf6_story.html
Apple must unlock the iPhone 5c's encryption... or else
Not seeing much confusion there...
Not an expert on BES, sorry.04-02-16 09:40 AMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1004-02-16 10:00 AMLike 0 - Duh here you go:
FBI Says It Unlocked San Bernardino Gunman?s iPhone Without Help From Apple | KTLA
Judge: Apple must help FBI unlock San Bernardino shooter?s iPhone | Ars Technica
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/te...case.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...cf6_story.html
Apple must unlock the iPhone 5c's encryption... or else
Not seeing much confusion there...
Not an expert on BES, sorry.
I'm an average Joe with a Q10. It's my own, that I bought myself. AT&T. I'm not on BES. When I got rid of my 9810, I was no longer or BIS even.04-02-16 10:53 AMLike 0
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