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  1. tufcustomer's Avatar
    Not to derail this whole thread but android does have a built in file manager. It just doesn't have its own icon.

    On a nexus phone, head to the settings app then select Storage & USB. Scroll to the end of result screen then tap "explore"; then you are in the file manager.

    Not sure if bb altered this file manager when they customized android for the priv.
    I was going to mention this too, but not having a Priv myself was unsure if it was there or not.

    Posted via CB10
    01-07-16 03:00 PM
  2. Yatezy's Avatar
    Unless applications need that root file access to function properly, I'm not sure that is a concern in the business world. If it's a consumer hobbyist thing, then 3rd party apps are appropriate for stuff like that.

    I would not want an employee who had rooted their device and installed a 3rd party file manager to use that phone for sensitive client data anyway!

    Posted via CB10
    Im not specifically on about the business world or any other world. Im just stating a reason why there would be a need for a 3rd party file manager
    01-07-16 03:01 PM
  3. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    What baffles me is why these app developers do not allow BB10 to load them via the Amazon App Store.
    Mainly because app developers absolutely hate fragmentation. Google/Android has made great strides over the past few years to reduce fragmentation. But the Amazon App Store just reintroduces that fragmentation. If an app developer utilizes Google Play Services within their apps, then they'd have to create a separate build to accommodate Amazon's implementation of Play Services. While some of the services are duplicated (requiring a new build itself), there's also the added problem that not all of Google Play Services have been replicated by Amazon, resulting in the app developer having to build those features from scratch, resulting in even yet more time and resource investment to maintain that separate build. Which is why Amazon Android Apps are typically updated yearly versus their Google Play counterparts being updated bi-weekly/monthly.

    Most developers would rather just say, "You want this app, get it from the Play Store." just to make their life easier.
    01-07-16 03:04 PM
  4. Bbnivende's Avatar
    There is a difference between Google and Blackberry.
    Google makes money by selling adds based on your behaviour.
    It collects all the data it can about you.
    BlackBerry has a different business model that is not based on collecting user data, at least not according to their public statements.

    Apple I don't trust for other reasons. They have too much control over the user. Their software is too rigid, they overprice, and I find their software on the macBook inferior to Linux, at least for my needs.

    As I stated elsewhere, I do not trust BlackBerry either. I just think they are the lesser of many evils.

    On a scale of trust, I trust BlackBerry more than apple and Apple more than Google. I trust third party app developers the least.

    If people are worried about BlackBerry going under, they should definitely be worried about app shops disappearing overnight, including the data they collect.
    You had better not use any Google search or Maps or even third parties that use these programs.
    01-07-16 03:06 PM
  5. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I think you misunderstood his question. He was wondering why more app developers don't place their apps on the Amazon App Store so BB10 users can access them. That's not Google's decision, but instead the app developer's decision.
    Sorry, have Google stuck in my head when I see "app store" and Android together. Wouldn't Amazon still have to approve it?

    Posted via CB10
    01-07-16 03:09 PM
  6. Bbnivende's Avatar
    I think you misunderstood his question. He was wondering why more app developers don't place their apps on the Amazon App Store so BB10 users can access them. That's not Google's decision, but instead the app developer's decision.
    Poor ratings given by BB10 "fans".
    App requires Google Play Services.
    Small market.
    Not willing to buy paid version.
    Bad experiences with Amazon.
    01-07-16 03:11 PM
  7. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    Sorry, have Google stuck in my head when I see "app store" and Android together. Wouldn't Amazon still have to approve it?

    Posted via CB10
    Nope. All Amazon does is verify that apps submitted to their store has stripped Google Play Services requirements from their apps (and sometimes those slip through). Beyond that, it's up to the developer to choose which devices have access to the app. Literally just clicking a check box to activate/deactivate for each device and/or OS version.
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    01-07-16 03:14 PM
  8. MikeX74's Avatar
    What baffles me is why these app developers do not allow BB10 to load them via the Amazon App Store.
    Why should they?
    01-07-16 03:35 PM
  9. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    You had better not use any Google search or Maps or even third parties that use these programs.
    You're right. That's why I don't on mobile. I'm fine with Google on my PC because it's easy to manage privacy via VPN, cookie management, etc.

    Posted via CB10
    01-07-16 05:07 PM
  10. buwee's Avatar
    I was BB10 user(Passport) and what I was reading whole last year on CB that BB10 lacking apps and eco system.
    Now I have switched to Priv(Android) and I am on hunt to find basic apps like Explorer, Video, Gallery etc..
    I think hundreds of apps were installed and removed. Almost all apps having different issues, I installed many Explorers and some need seconds to index files and some crashes most of the times. I am even ready to buy apps to get rid of stupid and annoying ads but didn't find reliable apps to spend my money. BB10 is way perfect for normal needs and efficiency. For me apps issue is just a hype excluding professional apps banking etc.

    Posted via Priv...
    Your view may be skewed by the fact the Priv is probably a poor example, as most other Android devices come with built in file managers, gallery & video players.
    01-07-16 06:54 PM
  11. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Oooooooook.
    https://zapier.com/blog/strengthen-w...-productivity/

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2015...nger-willpower

    Have a read here... attention and willpower is a limited resource.

    You don't think having to stop and think when digging through menus and navigating an unintuitive UI is NOT gonna have an impact...?

    :-D


      There's a Crack in the Berry right now...  
    01-07-16 10:07 PM
  12. ssbtech's Avatar
    https://zapier.com/blog/strengthen-w...-productivity/

    BBC - Future - Six steps to stronger willpower

    Have a read here... attention and willpower is a limited resource.

    You don't think having to stop and think when digging through menus and navigating an unintuitive UI is NOT gonna have an impact...?
    I remember when Michael Clewley said that the call-answer screen had to be changed because it results in a "think point" and it was important to eliminate these "think points".

    Android is one massive fustercluck of "think points".
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    01-07-16 10:11 PM
  13. tufcustomer's Avatar
    I remember when Michael Clewley said that the call-answer screen had to be changed because it results in a "think point" and it was important to eliminate these "think points".

    Android is one massive fustercluck of "think points".
    Except most people hated that change and were asking if there was a way to return to the up and down call answer functionality. I liked that better myself, had a nicer look to it.

    Posted via CB10
    01-07-16 10:37 PM
  14. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    I was BB10 user(Passport) and what I was reading whole last year on CB that BB10 lacking apps and eco system.
    Now I have switched to Priv(Android) and I am on hunt to find basic apps like Explorer, Video, Gallery etc..
    I think hundreds of apps were installed and removed. Almost all apps having different issues, I installed many Explorers and some need seconds to index files and some crashes most of the times. I am even ready to buy apps to get rid of stupid and annoying ads but didn't find reliable apps to spend my money. BB10 is way perfect for normal needs and efficiency. For me apps issue is just a hype excluding professional apps banking etc.

    Posted via Priv...
    Attribute this to BB not preinstalling those apps.

    My Sony and Samsung Androids always had File Explorers out-the-box, a video player that supports most formats and a Gallery, as well as office apps.
    01-08-16 12:32 AM
  15. sorinv's Avatar
    You had better not use any Google search or Maps or even third parties that use these programs.
    I don't. On the rare occasions that I do, I delete history and cookies right away and use startpage or similar.
    01-08-16 04:20 AM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    https://zapier.com/blog/strengthen-w...-productivity/

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2015...nger-willpower

    Have a read here... attention and willpower is a limited resource.

    You don't think having to stop and think when digging through menus and navigating an unintuitive UI is NOT gonna have an impact...?

    :-D


      There's a Crack in the Berry right now...  
    I don't care. No device saves you time on every process. Some excel at one thing while another excels at something else. BB10 is not perfect.
    01-08-16 08:22 AM
  17. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I don't care. No device saves you time on every process. Some excel at one thing while another excels at something else. BB10 is not perfect.
    I find it ironic that as I sit and use my phone based on BlackBerry 10, the king OS of swiping gestures, that my wife can delete messages from her Android phone by swiping them to the right with one quick gesture and I can't.

    Posted via CB10
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    01-08-16 09:00 AM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    I find it ironic that as I sit and use my phone based on BlackBerry 10, the king OS of swiping gestures, that my wife can delete messages from her Android phone by swiping them to the right with one quick gesture and I can't.

    Posted via CB10
    Exactly. Good example.
    01-08-16 09:02 AM
  19. calyth's Avatar
    If you don't need to guarantee security for the files you're accessing with the file manager, it may not matter at all. I can tell you that my company signs contracts with our clients that we will protect their data, and that would preclude us from using a file manager that we randomly download from an app store. Blackberry has a track record and a fantastic reputation for protecting enterprise data. That makes it an easy decision.

    I'm not saying that there isn't a company that can guarantee the same level of security for Android file management. But the standard answer of "There are tons of file managers on Android. Just pick one." is an end user mentality that does not work for organizations who have a responsibility to protect data.

    If one of my employees gave access to client data to a random app from the Google app store, we would fire him or her out of hand for violating company policy and endangering our contracts.

    By the way, we are not an intelligence or defense contractor. Most business contracts have language that makes protecting their data a requirement.

    Posted via CB10
    Seems like you're very justified in wanting that.

    Though I can assure you, file managers aren't exactly as easy as people think it is to develop
    01-08-16 09:39 AM
  20. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I don't care. No device saves you time on every process. Some excel at one thing while another excels at something else. BB10 is not perfect.
    What you're saying is obviously true, but misses the point completely. BB10's approach to work flow is very different from Android and iOS. For certain processes it is demonstrably better, with fewer "think points" in the user experience.

    If the main goal is to power through written communications on multiple accounts as quickly and accurately as possible when away from a desktop computer, BB10 is pretty damned amazing. Attachment handling is fantastic, and calendar, tasks and notes are fully synced with most corporate systems. All this works perfectly out of the box in a very polished manner because it was built as a cohesive, integrated system by a single team of developers.

    If, on the other hand, you spend most of your time on 3rd party apps, such as social networking, entertainment, photo editing, etc, then BlackBerry is demonstrably weaker than either iOS or Android.

    Most consumers, who make up the vast majority of purchasing decisions now that few companies buy and issue fleets of devices, prefer the 3rd party app-centered approach, which is why BB10 is a poor fit for them, but for the minority of us who see our BB10 phone as an indispensable tool for written communication, it is still the best available OS.

    Posted via CB10
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    01-08-16 09:43 AM
  21. matt4pack's Avatar
    I find it ironic that as I sit and use my phone based on BlackBerry 10, the king OS of swiping gestures, that my wife can delete messages from her Android phone by swiping them to the right with one quick gesture and I can't.

    Posted via CB10
    Because that gesture is used to go back in bb10. I don't think hitting a trash icon vs swiping in the same area make any difference.
    01-08-16 09:50 AM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    What you're saying is obviously true, but misses the point completely. BB10's approach to work flow is very different from Android and iOS. For certain processes it is demonstrably better, with fewer "think points" in the user experience.

    If the main goal is to power through written communications on multiple accounts as quickly and accurately as possible when away from a desktop computer, BB10 is pretty damned amazing. Attachment handling is fantastic, and calendar, tasks and notes are fully synced with most corporate systems. All this works perfectly out of the box in a very polished manner because it was built as a cohesive, integrated system by a single team of developers.

    If, on the other hand, you spend most of your time on 3rd party apps, such as social networking, entertainment, photo editing, etc, then BlackBerry is demonstrably weaker than either iOS or Android.

    Most consumers, who make up the vast majority of purchasing decisions now that few companies buy and issue fleets of devices, prefer the 3rd party app-centered approach, which is why BB10 is a poor fit for them, but for the minority of us who see our BB10 phone as an indispensable tool for written communication, it is still the best available OS.

    Posted via CB10
    I don't disagree for the most part. BB10 is a very fluid well thought out OS. It does things differently, as you point out, than Android and iOS. I wouldn't lump Android and iOS as just consumer though. Most businesses, along with their specific apps, use them too. I think individuals using their device for productivity may find BB10 best if they don't depend on integrating with those businesses on a direct level, if that makes sense. Networking within a business not so much.
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    01-08-16 10:10 AM
  23. tufcustomer's Avatar
    Because that gesture is used to go back in bb10. I don't think hitting a trash icon vs swiping in the same area make any difference.
    And yet if BB10 had it, and Android didn't, people on CB (not saying you) would be using it as a point of superiority.

    Posted via CB10
    01-08-16 10:22 AM
  24. z10Jobe's Avatar
    I find it ironic that as I sit and use my phone based on BlackBerry 10, the king OS of swiping gestures, that my wife can delete messages from her Android phone by swiping them to the right with one quick gesture and I can't.

    Posted via CB10
    You can only swipe in so many directions without inadvertently doing something that has don't want to do. The swipe to the right already has an action assigned to it in bb10.

    Posted via CB10
    01-08-16 10:28 AM
  25. Superdupont 2_0's Avatar
    Just as we are talking about productivity, does the Priv (or Android/iOS in general ) have the "Hub attachments" feature?

    Sometimes I think "omg, now I have to find that e-mail again with that document attached...", but then there is "Hub attachments"...and after a few seconds scrolling I get it.

    This neat little feature must have saved me HOURS already when I have to respond from my phone.

    Posted via CB10
    01-08-16 10:31 AM
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