Don't be surprised if BlackBerry sells millions of BB10 Jakartas In Indonesia.
- I don't think so. BB have so many regulations issues in indonesia.
And we have cheaper device to use BBM (android).
Posted via CB1012-30-13 10:19 PMLike 0 - They will have to price around or below $250 if bb truly want to compete on low end.
They will fight with lenovo, samsung (galaxy ace and core), and local phone manufacturers. You can even buy cheap $70 android phone with bbm preinstalled there.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sent via Tapatalk 212-30-13 10:23 PMLike 0 - If they can price it right then it has a chance. None of the current phones were aimed at emerging markets from a pricing perspective which would explain why they never took off.12-30-13 10:42 PMLike 0
- BB is in trouble from a profitability standpoint which will lead to serious cash drain. All those noting the 2-3bil in cash reserves are not saying much after they lost 4.4bil in one quarter. They need profitable sales and costs commensurate with their profits. Cheap phones with minimal margins better lead to high margin sales quick. You may love BB10, but the public around the world does not see it.
Umi would be best to explain!
Posted via CB1012-31-13 12:28 AMLike 0 -
Even adding it to existing BlackBerry 10 would be great for those who want or need it. Carriers would have another reason to push BlackBerry 10.
Posted via CB10anon8091350 likes this.12-31-13 12:31 AMLike 1 - I know the company is not in its best moment right now, but this is perfectly possible. BlackBerry still has a huge share in indonesia and it seems, specially after this partnership with foxconn, that BlackBerry will finally make real cheap phones to compete with android. It means that maybe we could see in the following quarters BlackBerry announcing millions of devices sold in indonesia and others key markets (Nigeria, south Africa, Venezuela, Colombia). This maybe change a bit the tide in favor of BlackBerry after all.
Posted via awesome BlackBerry Z10!
BB market share position have dropped significantly from number 1 position to number 3. number 1 samsung outselling BB phone 3:1 , number 2 local android vendor andromax , While Lenovo on number 4 only start selling android phone this year in indonesia but already sell almost as many as BB.
BlackBerry down to 3rd in Indonesia, beaten by Smartfren Andromax
after BBM go cross platfrom there are more and more people start drop using Blackberry and moving to android phone.
foxconn made BB phone it good news for BB but dont think Foxconn main focus are Blackberry. with $10 billion investment in indonesia, their main focus are making Apple devices, and their partner android devices.
PS : in low end market samsung have phone from $100 - $200 price range, andromax and lenovo gain success because they offering low end phone from $80 and still have good enough specs ( dual core processor, 5mp camera, minimum 4 inch screen)12-31-13 01:00 AMLike 8 -
most people buy BB phone in the past not for BIS in indonesia, they buy it to use BBM. now after BBM available on other platform, plus apps like path, instagram becoming very popular hard for BB regain their position as number 1 smartphone vendor, they are lucky if they can hold their number 3 position.12-31-13 01:11 AMLike 3 - OP have you been to indonesia ?
BB market share position have dropped significantly from number 1 position to number 3. number 1 samsung outselling BB phone 3:1 , number 2 local android vendor andromax , While Lenovo on number 4 only start selling android phone this year in indonesia but already sell almost as many as BB.
BlackBerry down to 3rd in Indonesia, beaten by Smartfren Andromax
after BBM go cross platfrom there are more and more people start drop using Blackberry and moving to android phone.
foxconn made BB phone it good news for BB but dont think Foxconn main focus are Blackberry. with $10 billion investment in indonesia, their main focus are making Apple devices, and their partner android devices.
PS : in low end market samsung have phone from $100 - $200 price range, andromax and lenovo gain success because they offering low end phone from $80 and still have good enough specs ( dual core processor, 5mp camera, minimum 4 inch screen)
There are also many decent and cheap android phones below $200 in Indonesia. So beside price, blackberry need another killer feature to attract people to use BlackBerry in Indonesia.
Posted via CB1012-31-13 03:01 AMLike 0 - True Smartfren Andromax is really good yet cheap and selling a lot in Indonesia.
OP have you been to indonesia ?
BB market share position have dropped significantly from number 1 position to number 3. number 1 samsung outselling BB phone 3:1 , number 2 local android vendor andromax , While Lenovo on number 4 only start selling android phone this year in indonesia but already sell almost as many as BB.
BlackBerry down to 3rd in Indonesia, beaten by Smartfren Andromax
after BBM go cross platfrom there are more and more people start drop using Blackberry and moving to android phone.
foxconn made BB phone it good news for BB but dont think Foxconn main focus are Blackberry. with $10 billion investment in indonesia, their main focus are making Apple devices, and their partner android devices.
PS : in low end market samsung have phone from $100 - $200 price range, andromax and lenovo gain success because they offering low end phone from $80 and still have good enough specs ( dual core processor, 5mp camera, minimum 4 inch screen)12-31-13 03:10 AMLike 0 - That's not entirely true. I know quite a bit.
I knew that BB10 and Heins were going to fail from the beginning.
I knew the z10/q10/q5/z30 was DOA.
I knew that bbmx would devastate bb marketshare.
I knew that that no one would purchase blackberry at the sale.
I also know that once android transitions to 64bit, it's game over for bb10's free app ride. (Meaning no new apps for q10/z10/z30).
I could go on...
Really why don't you tell us how popular bb10 is in Indonesia.
Oh wait it's not.
Bbm is now cross platform. Android and iOS will prove more popular.
Just look at Dubai and India if you require a baseline.
It's not very nice to call Indonesians cheap.JeepBB likes this.12-31-13 06:22 AMLike 1 - I think it's possible, but has to happen fast. I also think that they should delay the roll out the full featured bbm to Android (or at least low-cost Androids) until this phone has been on the market for a while. That way they could market the Jakarta as the only new low cost full featured bbm phone with no BIS costs. That would get people to upgrade from BBOS and choose BlackBerry over a white box.12-31-13 06:24 AMLike 0
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Price. Price conscious consumers tend not to care about brands.12-31-13 06:35 AMLike 3 - You are correct, it was a write down on assets and inventories. I even suspect that much of the write downs had to do with clearing most of the remaining hardware purchase obligations. There was no 'cash burn' per se last quarter (they had a cash gain of 77 million). However, they also received a significant tax refund. Cash loss from operations was around $330M if I remember correctly, which isn't too bad. This number will only get better in the future.12-31-13 06:40 AMLike 0
- That's not entirely true. I know quite a bit.
I knew that BB10 and Heins were going to fail from the beginning.
I knew the z10/q10/q5/z30 was DOA.
I knew that bbmx would devastate bb marketshare.
I knew that that no one would purchase blackberry at the sale.
I also know that once android transitions to 64bit, it's game over for bb10's free app ride. (Meaning no new apps for q10/z10/z30).
I could go on...
Really why don't you tell us how popular bb10 is in Indonesia.
Oh wait it's not.
Bbm is now cross platform. Android and iOS will prove more popular.
Just look at Dubai and India if you require a baseline.
It's not very nice to call Indonesians cheap.
Sounds like there is no point in any one trying to be in the mobile space besides the big 2. Although I'm sure you are going to tell me the way that you would have tackled this and been successful. You know since you knew all of the above then you should really know exactly what it would take to dethrone Android and Apple.
Okay go ahead...
Posted via CB1012-31-13 06:55 AMLike 0 -
You can check my past posts.
Take Microsoft for example, their purpose is to be number 3 with the "hope"/delusion of being number 1.
They have accomplished their goal.
You or any one that believed blackberry was in or will be in a position to is/was living in a dream.
The market has proven as much, to the detriment of some of the fans on this board.
It's not only blackberry, look at htc,NEC, sharp, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, Sony, lg, Nokia; they all failed.JeepBB and juliankueh like this.12-31-13 07:27 AMLike 2 - No thank you. (All my friends have already left blackberry).
You can check my past posts.
Depends how you define point.
Take Microsoft for example, their purpose is to be number 3 with the "hope"/delusion of being number 1.
They have accomplished their goal.
Never would have happened.
You or any one that believed blackberry was in or will be in a position to is/was living in a dream.
The market has proven as much, to the detriment of some of the fans on this board.
It's not only blackberry, look at htc,NEC, sharp, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, Sony, lg, Nokia; they all failed.
Posted via CB1012-31-13 08:54 AMLike 0 - Hopefully they will sell many all around the world, and even the US. I see many people here who have posted that have bought Lumia 520 devices because they were so cheap and to see what WP8 is all about. BlackBerry could do the same with a cheap phone in the or established markets as people might not be willing to give Bb10 a shot at $600 off contract or locking themself into a contract for a BB10 device, but would jump in for a cheap phone off contract, like some have done with the lower end Lumia.
Posted via CB10juliankueh likes this.12-31-13 09:13 AMLike 1 -
- I think the device will do well because of the price point. In went into my carrier last night and they had a 9720 on display Longside the Q5 and the 9720 was significantly cheaper. There are lots of people that just want a messaging device that won't pay that much for a Q5 when they can get a 9720. If there was a cheap BB10 phone, people would move to it.
Posted via CB1012-31-13 09:48 AMLike 0
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