Do PKB users write longer messages?
- Your use of the word 'they' and 'you' here indicates inclusiveness. Considering that I for one have never once wrote that I feel superior for using a pkb over a vkb proves you false.
By the same token touch screens should also be considered old school. Physical keyboards disappeared largely because it was/is simply cheaper to produce a device without one.
To be frank, I think the answer to your OP is 'yes'. The reasoning: why would anyone even get a phone with a pkb if they did not intend to use it specifically for composing longer pieces? Or to simply spend a good amount of time communicating via written word in general? The Priv is an anomally: if you want the latest BlackBerry or an Android BlackBerry, you have no choice but because of the format you could also chose to never use, let alone never see, the pkb.03-28-16 05:21 PMLike 0 - It's safe to say almost every phone now has a capability of some kind of word document writing, but with a PKB it makes it more pleasurable to actually use it.
For my example I am a student, and in my spare time on a bus, I like to get started on reports I have to write. It's not perfect like on a PC, but at least it gets me started. And I finish it on PC. On a VKB I wouldn't even attempt to use it, even though it's capable on most phones. I would just wait till I get on a PC. That's the difference.
The fact that it's pleasurable to use makes me want to use word documents.Oshasat likes this.03-28-16 10:54 PMLike 1 - It's safe to say almost every phone now has a capability of some kind of word document writing, but with a PKB it makes it more pleasurable to actually use it.
For my example I am a student, and in my spare time on a bus, I like to get started on reports I have to write. It's not perfect like on a PC, but at least it gets me started. And I finish it on PC. On a VKB I wouldn't even attempt to use it, even though it's capable on most phones. I would just wait till I get on a PC. That's the difference.
The fact that it's pleasurable to use makes me want to use word documents.03-29-16 12:07 AMLike 0 -
That's why in an earlier post I asked georgeeipi if he could give some links to where he'd read that.
I can understand it being true on a personal level; if I look at myself, I feel it's definitely the case.. .but I won't believe it's across the board until I see some evidence of it. Do I feel it is because I write "more"? Does that make me more "productive"? Who can say?
I'd expect it to be like most things when they are surveyed or suchlike. Depending on whom you ask, and the way you ask, you'll get different answers very much like these made-up possibilities, and with the general responses being split down the middle;
We asked 100 pkb users; "Do you believe you are more productive when you use a pkb than a vkb"?
Results;
Yes 97%
No 3%
We asked 100 vkb users; "Do you believe people are more productive when they use a pkb over a vkb"?
Yes 3%
No 97%
We asked 100 smartphone users; "Do you believe people are more productive when they use a pkb over a vkb"?
Yes 49.5%
No 50.5%
(As a disclaimer again, those are my own predicted and "made-up" figures above)
I really would find it interesting to know where the belief comes from that it is the case, and remember I'm a devout pkb lover, here. I can't even think of an accurate way to carry out research for this. How do you define "productive"?
On the one hand, productive could be "composing a letter to a company", against "sorting 100 emails in an inbox", filing some into other folders and deleting others once read. One task could be seen as being easier or "better suited" to a pkb to some, whereas the other could be seen as being easier on a vkb.
Anyway, as a sceptic, I may love a nice pkb myself, but I can't believe that that alone makes me or anyone else more or less productive without factual data (what's that lovely phrase again... oh yes, "Peer reviewed").
I'll have to stop off on the Information Superhighway tonight on my way home, and see if I can find anything...
Regards
JamesTgeekB and SunshineStateFlyer like this.03-29-16 03:46 AMLike 2 -
I HATE the way I find it so hard to touch buttons / objects etc. within the GPS software on it, especially when I'm driving, BUT would I really want another great lump of pkb stuck on the bottom of it, either increasing it's size over all or, even worse, eating into the screen-size and making that smaller? No, I wouldn't, thank you very much!
That said, I was looking at pictures of the Passport sitting beside a Q10 (well, it's a hobby isn't it...) and the Passport doesn't "look" that much larger. I just wonder if having the Passport (for example) in a windscreen / shield or dashboard phone holder tends to make the ball and socket angle-mechanism thingy "move" when you use enough force to press a physical key.
What I'm getting at is that with the cheaper-end device holders I've tried and use, unless you adopt the dainty gossamer-like touch of the Principal Dancer of the Bolshoi Ballet Company, a light poke from a Neanderthal like me moves the entire phone on it's ball and socket, causing even more problems!
Perhaps a portable Bluetooth keyboard is what I need... but would I want to...
a) Carry it around all the time?
b) Always be thinking about the next place I can "set it up" and use it?
...and worst of all...
c) Look like a total tool for using one?
;-)
Regards
James03-29-16 04:12 AMLike 0 - We asked 100 pkb users; "Do you believe you are more productive when you use a pkb than a vkb"?
Results;
Yes 97%
No 3%
We asked 100 vkb users; "Do you believe people are more productive when they use a pkb over a vkb"?
Yes 3%
No 97%
We asked 100 smartphone users; "Do you believe people are more productive when they use a pkb over a vkb"?
Yes 49.5%
No 50.5%Elephant_Canyon and JamesW_UK like this.03-29-16 01:20 PMLike 2 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersWhen I see an error in my text I fix it. I find typing on glass produces way more errors and therefore I have more corrections to make. On the pkb I have very few error. Therefore I tend to type more and have less frustration and enjoy sending messages.
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Whenever the VKB/PKB discussion arises I always remember the Acer Iconia Laptop with a VKB (see below):
One reviewer of the Acer Iconia nailed it when he stated that typing on a glass keyboard is slower but when he asked his friends to type on it they where divided. Half where slower and half where the same speed. Those who where typing at the same speed are used to typing while their eyes are searching for the keys (in short they are used to typing while looking at the keyboard). Those who are slower are those who are used to typing without looking at the keyboard. Instead they are looking at the screen.
The same thing applies to phones. With VKB you need to look at the keyboard while you tap/swipe. With PKB you don't need to and instead you can look at the screen similar to when typing in the laptop.
PKBs are built for a specific reason. And that's typing. Again, that doesn't mean you can't type long messages on a VKB but it would take more effort.03-30-16 03:54 AMLike 5 - I agree. VKB users and PKB users are more likely to be equally productive. I believe the OP was trying to say that PKB users tend to type longer messages. And I agree with this based on my own experience. And this is not because I never adapted to VKB either. It was the other way around, I was a VKB user who adapted to a PKB with my Original Passport and Passport SE. Typing longer message is not equal to being more productive. Being productive means doing a lot more things in a shorter time frame. And productivity depends on one person's job/task/work/profession/etc and may not be directly linked to the keyboard one uses.
Whenever the VKB/PKB discussion arises I always remember the Acer Iconia Laptop with a VKB (see below):
One reviewer of the Acer Iconia nailed it when he stated that typing on a glass keyboard is slower but when he asked his friends to type on it they where divided. Half where slower and half where the same speed. Those who where typing at the same speed are used to typing while their eyes are searching for the keys (in short they are used to typing while looking at the keyboard). Those who are slower are those who are used to typing without looking at the keyboard. Instead they are looking at the screen.
The same thing applies to phones. With VKB you need to look at the keyboard while you tap/swipe. With PKB you don't need to and instead you can look at the screen similar to when typing in the laptop.
PKBs are built for a specific reason. And that's typing. Again, that doesn't mean you can't type long messages on a VKB but it would take more effort.
Using a pkb and not looking down is also better for your neck and spine. The hunched back of smartphone users are becoming a serious issue nowadays.
If people bought pkb phones and they could type not looking down on their keyboards, it would be better for their neck. But the general public is not that smart.
Posted via CB1003-30-16 09:03 AMLike 0 - Just Google smartphone neck pain. You will find plenty of articles and research done.
Here is one: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/20/health...ety-neck-pain/
As for blind typing on a physical keyboard. It is a common sense. People use the ridges on the physical keyboards to feel each keys and type (both on a phone and computer). Don't take my word for it. Just try it yourself.
And because people choose a phone that cannot type long messages without their necks hurting from looking down when physical keyboard phones are available that can blind type, I was saying they are stupid for that reason.
Posted via CB1003-30-16 09:17 AMLike 0 -
The difference with a computer is that the keyboard is in an entirely different ergonomic position from the screen. It's usually several inches, possibly more than a foot, away, and perpendicular to the screen. The example of the Acer Iconia is a terrible comparison, and the whole argument is absolutely ridiculous.03-30-16 10:33 AMLike 2 - Assuming everyone can use a pkb without looking without mistakes.
I agree the neck pain is an issue though.Elephant_Canyon likes this.03-30-16 10:43 AMLike 1 - How, exactly, does having a physical keyboard that is a few centimeters below the screen, and situated at the same angle as the screen, differ at all from having a touch-screen keyboard in the same position? I can look at both without changing the position of my neck at all.
The difference with a computer is that the keyboard is in an entirely different ergonomic position from the screen. It's usually several inches, possibly more than a foot, away, and perpendicular to the screen. The example of the Acer Iconia is a terrible comparison, and the whole argument is absolutely ridiculous.
So you can type as you are walking and looking forward. You can type looking up when you are sitting down, with your phone by your lap.
Posted via CB1003-30-16 10:46 AMLike 0 -
- Hi SunshineStateFlyer,
That's why in an earlier post I asked georgeeipi if he could give some links to where he'd read that.
I can understand it being true on a personal level; if I look at myself, I feel it's definitely the case.. .but I won't believe it's across the board until I see some evidence of it. Do I feel it is because I write "more"? Does that make me more "productive"? Who can say?
I'd expect it to be like most things when they are surveyed or suchlike. Depending on whom you ask, and the way you ask, you'll get different answers very much like these made-up possibilities, and with the general responses being split down the middle;
We asked 100 pkb users; "Do you believe you are more productive when you use a pkb than a vkb"?
Results;
Yes 97%
No 3%
We asked 100 vkb users; "Do you believe people are more productive when they use a pkb over a vkb"?
Yes 3%
No 97%
We asked 100 smartphone users; "Do you believe people are more productive when they use a pkb over a vkb"?
Yes 49.5%
No 50.5%
(As a disclaimer again, those are my own predicted and "made-up" figures above)
I really would find it interesting to know where the belief comes from that it is the case, and remember I'm a devout pkb lover, here. I can't even think of an accurate way to carry out research for this. How do you define "productive"?
On the one hand, productive could be "composing a letter to a company", against "sorting 100 emails in an inbox", filing some into other folders and deleting others once read. One task could be seen as being easier or "better suited" to a pkb to some, whereas the other could be seen as being easier on a vkb.
Anyway, as a sceptic, I may love a nice pkb myself, but I can't believe that that alone makes me or anyone else more or less productive without factual data (what's that lovely phrase again... oh yes, "Peer reviewed").
I'll have to stop off on the Information Superhighway tonight on my way home, and see if I can find anything...
Regards
James
However, just to give you my own opinion on it as well:
First of all, let's have a look at where I think that thought comes from, that BlackBerry users are more productive. I intentionally said BlackBerry users, not pkb users, because to the general public that's the same thing: BlackBerry = PKB
BlackBerry phones have always been wide spread with business people. Long before smartphones were even a thing, companies started issuing them. It was very much a status symbol back then as mostly senior management was using them.
Even when it became more common to own a BlackBerry, it was still seen very often with business people. So somehow, people associate BlackBerry with business, and business with productivity, because that's what you (should) do at work, right?
When things changed and BlackBerry was losing customers, both BlackBerry as a company, as well as the more "determined" BlackBerry users kept clinging to the productivity reputation.
It has been an ongoing debate here whether BlackBerry users are productive. I think it's a nonsense. Are Windows users more productive than Apple users? Or maybe the other way around because there are less games on Apple?
In the end, it's about the user and not about the device. The user is the active part. A smartphone is only a tool to make certain things easier and while BlackBerry may still be very strong in email as an example, there are many shortcomings in other fields which also account for productivity.
Posted via CB10JamesW_UK likes this.03-30-16 12:15 PMLike 1 - What I meant was that with a physical keyboard, you can type without looking at the phone at all, not even the phone screen. Whereas, with a vkb, you still have to look at the phone screen to check your typing, even if you do not look at the keyboard.
So you can type as you are walking and looking forward. You can type looking up when you are sitting down, with your phone by your lap.03-30-16 01:11 PMLike 0 -
It is nice not having to look down for long messages.03-30-16 02:53 PMLike 0
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