Did they really need a new OS?
- Yes the bigger they are, the slower they are to change, but change was coming. You see smaller businesses fleeing from BBOS devices to Apple and Google. Medical fleeing to iOS in droves. Why? Apps. Feature rich apps that BBOS simply wasn't designed to handle, and the coding of compared to the competition was much more difficult because of the limitations of the OS. FIPS is the only thing that has kept BlackBerry's US Government base with BBOS, not the features of BBOS.
Posted via CB10kbz1960 likes this.01-07-14 07:51 AMLike 1 - it matters, sure, because you guys are blaming BlackBerry for it. Those other apps were made by BBRY so go ahead and blame them for not bringing them to BB10. Legacy users will skip BB10 (their loss) and end up using and old Treo or something. Doesn't bother me. The rest of us are moving on.01-07-14 11:16 AMLike 0
- it matters, sure, because you guys are blaming BlackBerry for it. Those other apps were made by BBRY so go ahead and blame them for not bringing them to BB10. Legacy users will skip BB10 (their loss) and end up using and old Treo or something. Doesn't bother me. The rest of us are moving on.01-07-14 11:58 AMLike 0
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- extsis -- that's... the only reason you're not pumped to get a Q10? Typically it's used in your hands... would like to know more why you would want to use it contrarily?
This is a pretty useful window to have in the corner of your desktop.
In the end I bought a used 9900 used for 100 dollars. So I have a while longer to make my decision and I still like my 9900, its just a little slow, and crashes now and then, and it has a crappy camera without autofocus. Thanks a lot RIM for making your flagship of BBOS and putting a crappy camera in it, oh and thanks for putting crappy camera in the q10 as well.
I am also considering that I may just not need a keyboard and going with a windows or android, other people seem to do fine without a keyboard, maybe I will too. Until I make the decision my 9900 lives onLast edited by hanexs; 01-07-14 at 01:25 PM.
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The Dark Side of BlackBerry OS and Why it Had to Go - N4BBflyingsolid and extisis like this.01-07-14 01:24 PMLike 2 - 32bit Desktop OS can only address 4GB of ram. There are limits.
The Dark Side of BlackBerry OS and Why it Had to Go - N4BB
"You see, BlackBerry OS runs its apps and OS from only 768 Mb of system memory and has no other RAM for the applications to run in, as on other smartphone platforms or computers. They run where they are installed. This can be beneficial for security reasons. Plus, you can run as many apps simultaneously as you have installed. Every app will just pop open, no matter how many apps are running. The device memory, on the other hand, is where you keep your files and other documents you�ve saved to your BlackBerry. This is in the gigabyte range on BlackBerry 7 phones, and isn�t something that affects the performance at all."01-07-14 02:18 PMLike 0 - Its quite laughable that you are portraying BB10 as the progressive and modern operating system. The entire world has considered it, and seems to disagree.
The people who skipped BB10, include people who moved on or soon will be moving on to Android, IOS and Windows phones. They moved on for better cameras, more apps, faster hardware, accessory support, better enterprise features (yes I said it), and an many other things that a popular ecosystem provide, meanwhile you sit around and snarl that you don't need all that, just like I did when BBOS was tanking. It seems to me that very little in the BB community has changed, even with a new OS.
I have been a BB user for nearly a decade and have suffered through the same delusion you appear to be going through, which is fine. But for you to be so condescending to someone because he is saying that BB made some bad decisions, doesn't have the apps he needs, and that their new devices continue to not keep up with competition is hilarious and frankly gives me deja-vu.Last edited by hanexs; 01-07-14 at 02:40 PM.
belfastdispatcher likes this.01-07-14 02:29 PMLike 1 - Its quite laughable that you are portraying BB10 as the progressive and modern operating system. The entire world has considered it, and seems to disagree with that.
The people who skipped BB10, include people who moved on to Android, IOS and Windows phones, for better cameras, more apps, faster hardware, more accessory support, better enterprise features (yes I said it), and an all around improved ecosystem, while you sit around and snarl that you don't need all that, just like we did when BBOS was tanking. It seems to me that very little in the BB community has changed, even with a new OS.
I have been a BB user for nearly a decade and have suffered through the same delusion you appear to be going through, which is fine. But for you to be so condescending to someone because he is saying that BB made some bad decisions, and that their new devices continue to not keep up with competition is hilarious.
and if you don't think BB10 is progressive (obviously it's modern) then you're delusional.01-07-14 02:40 PMLike 0 - glad to have gave you the gift of laughter but you missed the last thing i said on the topic. i didn't necessarily say that BB10 was the only option for BBOS users. I said "the rest of us are moving on" a statement which went past the head of your colleague @belfastdispatcher. they could move onto anything they want, android, iOS, a FLIP phone. but BBOS is over. that's what everyone else is trying to get at. i wasn't condescending at all. you wanna badmouth BB10 that's great, i'm loving it and am more productive with it than i was on BBOS. go figure. as i always say, to each his own.
and if you don't think BB10 is progressive (obviously it's modern) then you're delusional.
What @belfastdispatcher was saying that BB10 still doesn't have some of the features he valued from BBOS and you discounted that. BB10 cannot ever hope to compete with IOS or Android if it can't even meet the minimum requirements of a BBOS user.01-07-14 02:44 PMLike 0 - glad to have gave you the gift of laughter but you missed the last thing i said on the topic. i didn't necessarily say that BB10 was the only option for BBOS users. I said "the rest of us are moving on" a statement which went past the head of your colleague @belfastdispatcher. they could move onto anything they want, android, iOS, a FLIP phone. but BBOS is over. that's what everyone else is trying to get at. i wasn't condescending at all. you wanna badmouth BB10 that's great, i'm loving it and am more productive with it than i was on BBOS. go figure. as i always say, to each his own.
and if you don't think BB10 is progressive (obviously it's modern) then you're delusional.
BBOS is over and it appears BB10 is also over, at least for consumers. How many quarters do you think they go on with only selling a million BB10 devices?01-07-14 02:56 PMLike 0 - What went past your head is this whole thread is based on the past not the future, as in what could've/should've been done back in 2010 or so.
BBOS is over and it appears BB10 is also over, at least for consumers. How many quarters do you think they go on with only selling a million BB10 devices?Last edited by extisis; 01-07-14 at 08:52 PM.
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Man, you have a lust for BBOS that verges on a fetish.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.201-07-14 10:21 PMLike 3 -
A computer motherboard for example is only designed to address (work with) a particular maximum amount of physical RAM. Say for example it's 4GB. Now you can take out the RAM that's in and put 8GB if you want but the motherboard won't see the extra RAM. In fact you will be lucky if it boots at all. The same principle applies with mobile phone hardware design, they are just small computers after all.
The Operating System also has to be designed to be able to address a particular maximum amount of physical RAM. Just as with hardware if you exceed that limit by adding more physical RAM the OS will either ignore it or throw a total wobbler.
In the case of the ancient kernel in BBOS there is a physical addressable RAM limitation along with all kinds of crazy quirks like having to have separate app storage memory that also can only be of a limited amount and an app's files being limited to below a certain size each unless you store the data for an app, such as graphics and audio, on the Media Card instead (a more recent BBOS kludge for an age old inherent problem).
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2Last edited by johnnyuk; 01-07-14 at 10:57 PM.
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Here's one for you, ever get a "JVM" or "App Error xxx" on a BBOS phone? Where a module of the OS has decided to spontaneously corrupt itself rendering your phone useless until your reinstall the OS? No? Didn't see as many BBOS phones and all their problems as me then. That would happen once a week to someone where I work.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2Last edited by johnnyuk; 01-09-14 at 12:28 AM.
01-07-14 11:07 PMLike 3 - Sure it's excellent and seamless now but still a long way from BBOS, Social Feeds was amazing for example and BBOS didn't need separate setups for Hub and app for social networks. Notice how you reed notifications in the Hub but they don't actually sync with the app to mark them as read?
Still a long way from BBOS integration of apps my friend. Why do you think many if us loved it so much?
Do you really think that it's impossible to code the Social Feeds app for BB10? I hope you don't or there's no hope. I actually think the idea should have been incorporated in to BBM so that it became the new Social Hub with FB, Twitter, LinkedIn and Channels updates visible inside the BBM app the way Channels are now.
In the Hub they've tried to keep all Accounts for it, mail and social, in one place which is a good idea. What apps do outside of that is up to them. As BlackBerry write the FB app they could make it use the Hub account if you've got one setup to keep things synchronised, but they don't seem to be giving FB much dev time, there are bigger fish to fry. Maybe one day there will be APIs for developers so that other apps can make use of Hub accounts to keep things synchronised, with permissions granted by the user.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2Last edited by johnnyuk; 01-09-14 at 12:43 AM.
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But God bless those Luddites with incredibly poor taste in phones for their contribution.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2Last edited by johnnyuk; 01-09-14 at 12:31 AM.
MarsupilamiX and web99 like this.01-07-14 11:44 PMLike 2 - This paragraph says it all, nothing to do with the OS, it's lack of hardware:
"You see, BlackBerry OS runs its apps and OS from only 768 Mb of system memory and has no other RAM for the applications to run in, as on other smartphone platforms or computers. They run where they are installed. This can be beneficial for security reasons. Plus, you can run as many apps simultaneously as you have installed. Every app will just pop open, no matter how many apps are running. The device memory, on the other hand, is where you keep your files and other documents you�ve saved to your BlackBerry. This is in the gigabyte range on BlackBerry 7 phones, and isn�t something that affects the performance at all."
The fact that BlackBerry OS runs itself and apps from a limited pool of 768MB of RAM is not because BlackBerry didn't bother to put more RAM in the phone. 768MB is the limit of the addressable RAM that is designed in to the OS, the SOFTWARE running on the phone.
BlackBerry could put a TeraByte of RAM for the OS and Apps in a (big!) BBOS7 phone but the limit would still be 768MB.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2Last edited by johnnyuk; 01-09-14 at 12:33 AM.
Laura Knotek likes this.01-08-14 12:01 AMLike 1 - You see, from your layman's perspective I'm afraid you've misunderstood that first sentence about as much as it's possible to.
The fact that BlackBerry OS runs itself and apps from a limited pool of 768MB of RAM is not because BlackBerry didn't bother to put more RAM in the phone. 768MB is the limit of the addressable RAM that is designed in to the OS, the SOFTWARE running on the phone.
BlackBerry could put a TerraByte of RAM for the OS and Apps in a (big!) BBOS7 phone but the limit would still be 768MB.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.201-08-14 01:38 AMLike 0 - I just read about supporting BB7 indefintely, and it makes me wonder, why did BB need to change OS's at all? I mean, there are a lot of things I like about bb10, but when I look at my 9900, I don't really see why they couldnt have modified the OS instead of creating a whole new one and burning a whole 2-3 years doing so.
For those of you that know a bit more of what would be involved, would it have been easier to:
introduce the peek and flow concepts to BBOS,
make BBOS crash less
and upgrade the ram and cpu to work at an acceptable speed?
I love BB10, but when I loook at my 9900, I think all it needed was a LOT more speed (ram and cpu), some more stability, a non crappy camera, and a lot more apps. How hard would it have been for them to do this instead of building a whole new os?
Or did they really just hit a wall with the OS and they couldnt improve it anymore? It seems unfortunate for BB to have two OS's to support.
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