Dev Alpha "D" - Display Size
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Posted via CB10Plazmic Flame likes this.02-20-14 06:03 AMLike 1 - 02-20-14 11:38 AMLike 0
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Posted via CB Forums iOS app02-20-14 11:56 AMLike 0 - They really can't do that unless it is a Slider ... even then the ergonomics are a problem. They can do a 3:4. They could go with a narrow phone with about a 3.9 inch screen but then the keypad is too narrow. Having a QWERTY phone means that you can't have it all.02-20-14 12:30 PMLike 0
- I think you are actually overcomplicating things by measuring items with an unknown size and it is probably better to work with what you do know.
If we assume the 1440x1440 part is true then the range of ppi for those seem to go from 480 to about 550 depending on the size of 16:10 display, however this device has a 1:1 display so you only consider the width. If we choose the lowest value (likely to be cheapest display of that rez) that would work out as 3" per side, that would lead to a display size of 4.25" and a device that while wider than usual would not be as top heavy as slapping a physical keyboard underneath as z10.
Actually OP has a point of reference and that is the power cord. I recall someone making the same type of extrapolation before we knew for certain the screen size of the Q10 and it was fairly accurate.
Your suggested phone with a 4.25 inch screen would be 89.66 mm wide by my calculation assuming the same format as a Q10 which would make it one of the widest phones on the market. Not very nice.
One point we should remember is that when you are looking at a web page or a document the width of the screen is more important than the length because it is easier to scroll down than to go side to side and the font size can be larger when displaying text on a web site. In some ways and for some uses a 3.5 inch square screen is better than a Iphone 4 inch screen.
A point about weight and balance. The designers use computers to design these phones to achieve balance. In particular the battery size and position plays an important roll. They shift components around to achieve balance. The screen or even the keyboard are not heavy by themselves.UrbanGlowCam likes this.02-20-14 12:48 PMLike 1 -
The latest software leaks have shown information for a device with a 1440 x 1440 resolution, so it seems likely that this is it. http://forums.crackberry.com/news-ru...-names-828586/
That's true, there is still a market for it but this isn't the year 2001, it's 2014. In this day and age, people are embracing larger screen sizes, regardless of what people say about weight, one-handed usability, etc. For goodness sake, even the iPhone currently sits at 4" inches.... what is BlackBerry doing making a device with a 3" inch screen (Q10) or even this prototype that is supposedly the next QWERTY device, the Windemere???
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I think the PKB user just has different priorities than the full touch user. Someone like myself prefers to have a more handheld device that is easier to use with one hand and aims more at a larger battery rather than a huge display. I'm not as focused on gaming and watching videos as I am communicating and using productive apps.
On the other hand, when I DO like to see more content without having to scroll as much, I sometimes wish for a slightly longer screen vertically. But then when I watch the occasional video someone sends me, I then want a WIDER format screen to play without the black bars at top/bottom. But these concerns are rare for me, and I much prefer just having a device with a smaller footprint.
What I've noticed is that more people complain about the size of the Q10 display than the 9900 users did. It's strange since it's a noticeably larger screen. I think it comes down more to the BBOS vs BB10 UI. If they can allow for more screen real estate by minimizing UI elements in the future, it could solve this problem a bit. This would be adding more features like the autohide tab bar at the bottom of the Q10 screen while scrolling.
So the whole thing is a tricky situation and is hard to please everyone. But I'm really happy that they're still focused on improving their iconic physical qwerty line and are allowing it to evolve in a good way. There are obviously still those who prefer it. Just look at how all the celebrities that use BlackBerrys today are mostly using Q10s rather than the Z line. At the same time, I'm glad they're also focused on improving the full touch line for the media centric users.
I think you are actually overcomplicating things by measuring items with an unknown size and it is probably better to work with what you do know.
If we assume the 1440x1440 part is true then the range of ppi for those seem to go from 480 to about 550 depending on the size of 16:10 display, however this device has a 1:1 display so you only consider the width. If we choose the lowest value (likely to be cheapest display of that rez) that would work out as 3" per side, that would lead to a display size of 4.25" and a device that while wider than usual would not be as top heavy as slapping a physical keyboard underneath as z10.
Actually OP has a point of reference and that is the power cord. I recall someone making the same type of extrapolation before we knew for certain the screen size of the Q10 and it was fairly accurate.
Your suggested phone with a 4.25 inch screen would be 89.66 mm wide by my calculation assuming the same format as a Q10 which would make it one of the widest phones on the market. Not very nice.
....02-20-14 01:09 PMLike 0 - The main reason that the 3.1 inch Q10 is not loved is because of the loss of the Trackpad . You need a larger screen to go all touch all the time . As far as big phones versus small phones, the paradigm has shifted . Now the smaller the phone the cheaper it looks . The Q10 drowns in any display case.02-20-14 03:45 PMLike 0
- Are you seriously jumping to the conclusion that there isn't a reason for the device to be that size anyway and companies like BB or Samsung aren't simply taking advantage of that available space to put their branding on it rather than simply making the device smaller.Bbnivende likes this.02-20-14 04:17 PMLike 1
- I highly doubt we'll see a 4.25" display on this device. At 3" wide, the device would be nearing more of the 80+ mm width range. I don't think I'm over complicating things. I'm simply using the proximity sensor as a reference point since they have typically been the same size on multiple BlackBerry devices (Q10, 9900, 9700, 9000 etc.) over the years.
As far as your guessing the size, you cannot know the sizing of the items you picked, but unless we assume the leaks are wrong about the 1440x1440 thing we do know the current range of ppi for such categories of display and it makes more sense to use those figures in any calculation to at least produce a range of potential screen sizes. I guess we will see who is right when or if a production version of this device shows up, but I would not be at all surprised if we end up with a 4.3" - 4.5" display on this device.02-20-14 04:26 PMLike 0 - You mean the width of a Samsung Note kind of device, no chance of that happening in a market moving towards larger devices now is there.
As far as your guessing the size, you cannot know the sizing of the items you picked, but unless we assume the leaks are wrong about the 1440x1440 thing we do know the current range of ppi for such categories of display and it makes more sense to use those figures in any calculation to at least produce a range of potential screen sizes. I guess we will see who is right when or if a production version of this device shows up, but I would not be at all surprised if we end up with a 4.3" - 4.5" display on this device.Last edited by Bbnivende; 02-20-14 at 07:17 PM.
UrbanGlowCam likes this.02-20-14 05:09 PMLike 1 - Well 3.5 inches is doable but 3.5 with a trackpad would be ideal. If CEO's want the QWERTY device, I bet they would like one with a trackpad even more. John Chen wants to keep those CEO's happy.02-20-14 07:30 PMLike 0
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Posted via CB1002-20-14 07:51 PMLike 0 -
It's not an end all be all, but looking at BlackBerry's PKB line over the years, it's safe to see we won't see a 4.3 - 4.5" display on this one.
Bold 9000 - 480 x 320 px - 2.6"
Bold 9630/9650 - 480 x 360 px - 2.4"
Bold 9700/9790 - 480 x 360 px - 2.4"
Bold 9900/9930 - 640 x 480 px - 2.8"
Q10 - 720 x 720 px - 3.1"
So while the resolution is a more drastic increase to 1440 x 1440 px, the increase to a 3.4" - 3.5" seems to fit the pattern historically for the next iteration. 1440 x 1440 px is also fitting because it makes it easier on devs to just simply double the resolution from 720 x 720 px. This is very similar to what Apple did from the jump from the iPhone 3GS (480 x 320 px) to iPhone 4 (960 x 640 px).
As far as your guessing the size, you cannot know the sizing of the items you picked, but unless we assume the leaks are wrong about the 1440x1440 thing we do know the current range of ppi for such categories of display and it makes more sense to use those figures in any calculation to at least produce a range of potential screen sizes. I guess we will see who is right when or if a production version of this device shows up, but I would not be at all surprised if we end up with a 4.3" - 4.5" display on this device.
With a square screen ? If yes then we would know how big the screen must be and how wide the device would be. There is no way you can get a square screen phone with a 4.3 inch screen in a phone unless that phone is VERY wide. There are web sites that can calculate the diagonal of a square. To have a Q phone with a 4.3 inch screen, the phone would have to be a full inch wider from 2.63 to 3.63 inches.02-21-14 01:15 AMLike 0 - There is no way you can get a square screen phone with a 4.3 inch screen in a phone unless that phone is VERY wide. There are web sites that can calculate the diagonal of a square. To have a Q phone with a 4.3 inch screen, the phone would have to be a full inch wider from 2.63 to 3.63 inches.02-21-14 06:36 AMLike 0
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Right. The display alone would be about 3" wide with a 4.3" screen (1:1). That's going to approach Lumia 1520 and Galaxy Note 3 sizing.02-21-14 06:39 AMLike 0 -
Maybe that would work as a separate device line. But if these are aimed towards their primary "Bold"/Q10 user base, it could put them off. That drastic of a change would really throw off the balance.02-21-14 11:30 AMLike 0 - There is a market for larger devices, but I think the physical qwerty market is different and they shouldn't risk abandoning their regular customers from all these years by making such a drastic change.
Maybe that would work as a separate device line. But if these are aimed towards their primary "Bold"/Q10 user base, it could put them off. That drastic of a change would really throw off the balance.
How many would like a 3:4 screen format. The Q10 Keyboard and the buttons and trackpad from the 9900 ? Hold up your hand.
Would I buy a wider phone that still has a small screen and no trackpad, no probably not. Lots of people still own iphone 4's but would there be a market for a 3.5 inch phone today ? Maybe but it would have to be ultra cheap. Not the market that BB wants.
Still, it depends, maybe a 1440 X 1440 small screen combined with a new touch sensitive keyboard might be a difference maker. Would the touch sensitive keyboard be reliable.Last edited by Bbnivende; 02-21-14 at 01:56 PM.
02-21-14 01:21 PMLike 0 - Personally I like the width of the Q10 but It has room to grow taller. Give that phone some growth hormones ! They seem to think that a higher PPI is better than screen size ... no not really.
How many would like a 3:4 screen format. The Q10 Keyboard and the buttons and trackpad from the 9900 ? Hold up your hand.
Would I buy a wider phone that still has a small screen and no trackpad, no probably not. Lots of people still own iphone 4's but would there be a market for a 3.5 inch phone today ? Maybe but it would have to be ultra cheap. Not the market that BB wants.
Still, it depends, maybe a 1440 X 1440 small screen combined with a new touch sensitive keyboard might be a difference maker. Would the touch sensitive keyboard be reliable.02-21-14 06:14 PMLike 0 - You mean the width of a Samsung Note kind of device, no chance of that happening in a market moving towards larger devices now is there.
As far as your guessing the size, you cannot know the sizing of the items you picked, but unless we assume the leaks are wrong about the 1440x1440 thing we do know the current range of ppi for such categories of display and it makes more sense to use those figures in any calculation to at least produce a range of potential screen sizes. I guess we will see who is right when or if a production version of this device shows up, but I would not be at all surprised if we end up with a 4.3" - 4.5" display on this device.
– The BlackBerry Q20 smartphone will include a generous 3.5″ touchscreen,
the largest display yet on a QWERTY BlackBerry smartphone, giving you
more space for viewing messages, browsing Internet and intranet sites
and accessing other apps.
Per the official Q20 press release from BlackBerry today.Bbnivende likes this.02-25-14 02:15 AMLike 1 - I hate to say I told you so but....
– The BlackBerry Q20 smartphone will include a generous 3.5″ touchscreen,
the largest display yet on a QWERTY BlackBerry smartphone, giving you
more space for viewing messages, browsing Internet and intranet sites
and accessing other apps.
Per the official Q20 press release from BlackBerry today.02-25-14 02:37 AMLike 0 - I think the windemere prototype and the Q20 might be different devices. The prototype pictures that have leaked don't indicate anything about the "tool belt" of function keys. In fact wasn't the primary innovation of windemere supposed to be something about gesture control and virtual keys?
But I'm guessing they are both targeting the same 3.5" 1440 x 1440 px display.02-25-14 03:01 AMLike 0
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