Re: Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
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Roo Zilla The entire Mobile division encompasses a lot of things other than WinMo. During that period, it included things like Win embedded (which itself is a bunch of products), Win Automotive, and MapPoint. Significantly, portions of the losses during that period were due to grants of stock based compensation to certain employees including $95M in 2004. The idea that Windows Mobile (the smartphone operating system) is the cause of all the losses during 2003-2005 is of course, silly. By 2006, the division's revenues for the year was $377M. with about 147M from WinMo, and that year showed 37% growth in WinMo sales. The entire division was profitable that year, meaning significantly that the division was pulled up by WinMo which had the highest gross revenue growth.
In 2007, WinMo became part of the newly formed Entertainment and Devices division at MS and the division lost almost $1.9 Billion. Are you going to blame that loss on WinMo too? Or perhaps, just perhaps, that year, X-Box and Zune had something to do with losses at that division?
No the point is that Microsoft has spent much more than it has made in the mobile phone market, even back in it's supposed prime, and even the Xbox strategy hasn't panned out for them. Maybe it will at some point, but I'm not seeing it. I'm sure we will start hearing "just wait till WP9 comes out" like we heard with WP7, mango, tango, and now WP8. Luckily for WP fans MS has deep pockets and can keep slinging poo at the walls until something sticks.
Re: Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
Originally Posted by
Dapper37 Re: Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
[I've read two articles so far saying the surface rt tablet and wp8 won't let you run one app on both devices with one single purchase. Is that correct? If so, they've already gimped themselves right from the starting gate when it comes to unified app ecosystems.]
I learned something right there, so apps have to be bought separately for the two devices from one manufacturer? Fail!!!
You missed my followup post. I clarified that I was referring to surface RT, which does use an ARM chip. I Still don't know the answer to my original question though.
Edit: f-ing tapatalk sucks at showing full quotes, some content such as the 2nd reply missing.
Re: Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
Dangit, now I wish I could remember where I saw the article I just read yesterday that said their xbox entertainment division was their lowest source of income.
I did find a related article just now though
Re: Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
Originally Posted by
Roo Zilla MS spending on the mobile phone market until recently has been minimal. WinMo was developed out of WinCE, basically, development costs were very low. They never built phones, their entire model was based on licensing, which they sold at least 50 million of excluding Palm. Losses in their mobile division from 2003-2005 were not from WinMo, but from employee compensation, losses from their mapping tech, and R&D associated with Win embedded into various fields including development of a WinXPCE, which didn't work out very well.
As for the X-Box strategy..... in fiscal 2011, MS made $1.2 Billion from the Entertainment and Devices division. Fiscal 2012 saw profits of $360M, which reflect payments to Nokia of $250M, about $360M in increased R&D expense, and about $240M in Skype related marketing expenses. It seems the X-Box division is quite profitable now, and will be for the foreseeable future.
I was referring to the Xbox strategy they are mirroring with the WP rollout. Lose money to flood the market and get marketshare and eventually make money. Xbox is successful. They make more money off Android OEM royalties than they do off of Windows Phone.
Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
Lol!
In that case, In brief: m$ has limitless funds due to other venues so the answer is just no.
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Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
blackberry 10 can beat windows phone, but it wont kill it.
the only thing that might kill windows phone is android.
the reason i say this is because Microsoft can throw money at windows phone regardless of how it does. but google are taking on Microsoft over their biggest money maker Office. the main attraction of wp is office integration, but if google get a viable alternative to Office, and integrate it with android, it will not only cut a massive portion of income for Microsoft but will also provide a alternative for wp.
blackberry 10 can easily get the third position from windows phone however. it just cant kill it though. kind of like Batman and the joker :P
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