ComScore : BlackBerry Ltd. holds [in U.S.A] at 3.1%
- As others have pointed out, this isn't market share we're talking about here. It's the current user base, which is not the number of phones BB sold this quarter, it is the total number of people who currently use a BB (in the case of ComScore there is the additional qualifier that it is their primary mobile phone)
Market share may well be 0.0% now in the US. It is in a couple other countries already. You can put the 0.0 in quotes all you want, but it won't change how people round numbers. You could say < 0.05% if that makes you more comfortable?
I get unsurprising, I don't get positive. Most people in the US are on 2 year contracts. Not everyone, but is the most popular way to buy a phone here. So on a 2 year contract, you figure in any given quarter 12% of your base is up for renewal. So it's hard to lose all your subscribers at once since people don't like to pay ETF.
With that in mind, BB managed to lose 10% of their installed base in one quarter.
Again, this is not surprising. We all know the consumer market for BB in the US and Europe is effectively on hold until the company figures out how to make money again. So I agree it's expected, but to say this is good news is an enormous stretch for me.
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Posted via Z30 C0002FDEFrichardat likes this.03-08-14 03:33 PMLike 1 - Then you are clearly either not paying attention or throwing out data that doesn't mesh with your biases, because there were MANY PEOPLE angry about BGR's characterization, just on these forums. Did you just conveniently ignore all of that?
Thanks, but you do not speak for "most people", no matter how you may wish it so.
It is you who keeps trying to make things personal, as the above posts illustrate.(as well as the not very disguise jibe I directly addressed in another thread). Here, I wrote dispassionately about your errors, and only characterized your reaction to zero as emotional because it clearly is - illustrated by your behavior and own admissions (not up for debate you directly talk about it), and because it is indeed specific to the number zero-again by your own admission. The statement is not-and obviously was not meant to be controversial.
In any case it is clear from the disconnect between my posts and your replies -which do Not accurately reflect the arguments I presented nor provide relevant responses in my opinion that discourses between us will be impossible. It will simply be a matter of others deciding who is making sense, And who is emotional or personal. ...and of course, When it comes to topics in general, time will tell, as it as so often in the last year who's analysis of the situation is more accurate. I feel very comfortable in that regard so cheers!Last edited by richardat; 03-08-14 at 06:02 PM.
03-08-14 05:48 PMLike 0 - Agree 100% Omni.
And to app developer, having an interest in something and discussing it openly is certainly not the same as continually making the same negative post over and over and over.
We get it and we understand the hurdles in the way. Now rather than continually hammering that point across, how about discuss what needs to happen to fix it...since you and garnock are so interested and all.
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no i dont want BB to fold, they still have lot to offer with BBM and BES. i love BBM its great for my work, and offer better privacy than other IM. but for consumer market phone i think it is time for BB to give up...
if you want my suggestion than see the above....BBM and BES as BB main business. BB still can offer phone for government, or corporate high excecutive to support their main business.
and if they want to enter consumer market, their best way is to find other oportunity outside smartphone market....apple can survive and become the most profitable company not because of mac. they gain their momentum with ipod (mp3 player) and become large player with iPhone. many people in CB already discussing about qnx capabilites on car entertainment system...why BB not give better attention on that? it is better to create new large oportunites.03-08-14 06:39 PMLike 0 -
100jellybeans - 91 jelly beans = 9 jellybeans ...9% yes there is still jelly beans
but with 0.4% BB marketshare it means
100 jellybeans - 99.6 jellybeans = 0.4 jelly beans 0.4% jellybeans . it means there is less than half jelly beans...if you ask someone they will tell you no more jellybeans
many times when you do the rounding basic principle is less than 0.5 = 0 . 0.5 or larger = 1.
but for BB matters i think 0.0% from media is not accurate..and maybe unfair to Blackberry, it better for media to report blackberry marketshare almost hit 0% or near 0%03-08-14 06:52 PMLike 0 - Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
People have a brain.
Now, should I give a reason for posting this? Well, let's say it is interesting to compare it with the flaw spawned by T-mo crap like (this is false IMHO) 94% BlackBerry users were jumping ship.
I don't question your intelligence , so I'm certain you can stick on this comparison, where user base is the key metric.
Your thoughts always very welcome.
Posted via CB1003-09-14 03:56 AMLike 0 -
What makes you think it is flawed - they are simply reporting trade-ins related to their latest deal not anything else (and yes I've heard the "people pulling an old device from the bottom of the drawer" theories - wouldn't change the raw number).03-09-14 04:17 AMLike 0 - Related to this post, on the pcworld Facebook page they wrote this:
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Don't like to participate on the bias or unbiased against BlackBerry debate... but this seems a little biased against. If BlackBerry kept its user base almost unchanged , that kinda says a lot about what they are trying to convey.
Hardcore BlackBerry 'er
This is not like Android losing < 1% of its marketshare here, even though the drop in % market share is equivalent to Blackberry's.
They will never hit 0 because they have corporate contracts, but it does show that existing customers are largely moving to other platforms. This is precicely why their marketshare loss isn't anything as large as it was when they first started bleeding consumers to Android and iOS.
Doesn't this also count Legacy users, as well?
That is not good news.03-09-14 10:12 AMLike 0 - we all knew this already...the US market gave up on BB and since the US market is the world then BB is dead and irrelevant.....sorry its just what the propaganda and even people living in other countries believe....as popular as Nokia was in the rest of the world...it never quite made it in the US....a very fickle and image driven market...pitiful bit is the rest of the world follows the US trend which makes the rest of the world seem increasingly fickle. Its a fact of life we have to deal with. BB10 could be the best OS there is, but its not seen as trendy and cool or is it the 'in thing'. BlackBerry at the moment is doing the smart thing by trying to hold on to those customers that have more to lose than 'image'-smart move. I hope they continue to survive as a niche player (Porsche in the sportscar industry)...No sense trying to be all things to all people.
This is aimed at few in this thread...you know yourselves
This thread has become packed with the bell ringers aka "i told you so" lot. Yes we get it--BB is down in the dumps---now since CrackBerry is for those who like BlackBerry which apparently you dont,why dont you go over to your 'side'? Or do you want to stick around for the final rites? Dont hold your breath.....toneytone likes this.03-09-14 01:32 PMLike 1 - we all knew this already...the US market gave up on BB and since the US market is the world then BB is dead and irrelevant.....sorry its just what the propaganda and even people living in other countries believe....as popular as Nokia was in the rest of the world...it never quite made it in the US....a very fickle and image driven market...pitiful bit is the rest of the world follows the US trend which makes the rest of the world seem increasingly fickle. Its a fact of life we have to deal with. BB10 could be the best OS there is, but its not seen as trendy and cool or is it the 'in thing'. BlackBerry at the moment is doing the smart thing by trying to hold on to those customers that have more to lose than 'image'-smart move. I hope they continue to survive as a niche player (Porsche in the sportscar industry)...No sense trying to be all things to all people.
This is aimed at few in this thread...you know yourselves
This thread has become packed with the bell ringers aka "i told you so" lot. Yes we get it--BB is down in the dumps---now since CrackBerry is for those who like BlackBerry which apparently you dont,why dont you go over to your 'side'? Or do you want to stick around for the final rites? Dont hold your breath.....
On the rest of the world, I think you're insulting most of the world if you think the only reason they stopped buying BB is because they are "following the US trend". Maybe everyone just has their own reasons for preferring Android lately? Is it that hard to see that the Android manufacturers are collectively making a nice spread of phones that appeal to most people now worldwide?
And if everyone is just following the US trend, then how do you explain how Microsoft is doing much better in Europe so far than they are in the US?
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03-09-14 04:08 PMLike 2 -
From the second post in this forum it shows that both Android and BlackBerry lost 0.5% and as the table shows BlackBerry has 10 times less users so it means that for each BlackBerry user switched to iPhone there are 10 android users who also switched to iPhone.
Posted via CB1003-09-14 04:33 PMLike 0 - Did you mean iPhone?
From the second post in this forum it shows that both Android and BlackBerry lost 0.5% and as the table shows BlackBerry has 10 times less users so it means that for each BlackBerry user switched to iPhone there are 10 android users who also switched to iPhone.
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But I was actually talking about the rest of the world in that post. In the rest of the world, Android is the overwhelming favorite. My point was that the rest of the world isn't following any US trend. They just really like what the Android manufacturers are selling.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk03-09-14 04:41 PMLike 0 - Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
Now, the figures I reproduced, fairly corrected by Bla1ze in #2 post (and he promptly the title of the thread accordingly) - we didn't have the same source - are not good figures as such. How could they ? They while they demonstrate an actual leak of customers. I never pretended they were good neither. I just noticed they were not AS BAD as many may have forcasted, based on the t-mo "leak" which has zero legitimity to be extrapolated.
Is that clearer ?03-09-14 05:49 PMLike 0 - At least proven inexact to translate into "94% left BlackBerry" and a world before anyone can claim that this is significant among other users wolrdwide, like many bears have done after this internal document "leaked" (what a joke).
Now, the figures I reproduced, fairly corrected by Bla1ze in #2 post (and he promptly the title of the thread accordingly) - we didn't have the same source - are not good figures as such. How could they ? They while they demonstrate an actual leak of customers. I never pretended they were good neither. I just noticed they were not AS BAD as many may have forcasted, based on the t-mo "leak" which has zero legitimity to be extrapolated.
Is that clearer ?03-09-14 07:46 PMLike 0 - Bla bla bla from the usual suspects.
Like I said, none of this is surprising. We know their marketshare is low and dropping almost everywhere. The products are not being promoted, they have largely disappeared from stores in many places, salespeople are badmouthing both the company and product incessantly, these are FACTS.
Anyone who DOES find it a big surprise that their marketshare is low and dropping I think needs to re-calibrate their reality sensor.
Either that or stop constantly looking for excuses to tell everyone here how horrible the company is doing.
Yeah, we got it. BlackBerry is not selling many phones.
Let's hear it for the 347,338,121st time.
Eeyore would be proud.
I think that if BlackBerry can come out with two flagship devices, 1 Qwerty and 1 touch, that are industry leaders on specs and OS then there will be some more positive promotion.
So far I'm impressed by the OS updates. The system is really getting where it needs to be and heading in the right direction. If they can add new hardware it will give people something to talk about.
Posted using my Z10 via CB1003-09-14 07:58 PMLike 0 -
- I agree that many salesmen have bad things to say about BlackBerry. I don't necessarily think that the reps badmouthing the products is the major reason for the lack of market share. The negative things being said about BlackBerry is somewhat deserved. BlackBerry did under deliver on BB10.
I think that if BlackBerry can come out with two flagship devices, 1 Qwerty and 1 touch, that are industry leaders on specs and OS then there will be some more positive promotion.
So far I'm impressed by the OS updates. The system is really getting where it needs to be and heading in the right direction. If they can add new hardware it will give people something to talk about.
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#Confusion
Posted via CB1003-09-14 08:47 PMLike 0 -
As I said in my post before I think BlackBerry is on the right track with the OS with theses last few updates. If they can add hardware that compete on specs then they will be able to generate a lot of positive word of mouth.
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Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk03-09-14 11:38 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
LOL, let's just say it's pretty funny that you're so convinced that not a single person out of the ~200 million that are AT&T or Verizon customers were swayed by what a sales rep told them when they spoke to them about a new smartphone.
If sales reps had so little impact on what customers bought, they would not be paid commission to 'encourage' people to buy what they want to sell them.sheailewis1 likes this.03-10-14 06:15 AMLike 1 -
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It doesn't alter the fact that BB stopped publicising subscriber numbers a while back following a sustained fall in the userbase numbers over several quarters. Common-sense would surely indicate that those numbers have continued to fall given the backdrop of the failure of BB10 to engage with consumers, firing thousands of employees, and a series of events that culminated in BB putting themselves up for sale, and then pulling the sale and accepting a $1.25Bn debenture loan from Prem.
Had those numbers stabilised, or even started to rise, only a fool wouldn't have capitalised on shouting that good news from the rooftops. John Chen doesn't seem to be a fool, so the conclusion that those subscriber numbers are continuing their downward trend is obvious, at least to me. Your mileage may differ.03-10-14 01:43 PMLike 0 -
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