cnet article calling for cuts at the top
- Yes. isn't it?
What *exactly* is your peeve? That I dare to say that if there are going to be criticisms those who criticise in the most strident fashion should offer up solutions? That expectation is at the root of progressive thiking towards a goal rather than simply bemoaning to the skies.
I expressed no opinion on etiquette. I expressed an opinion on the lack of substance in so many of RIM leadership bashing posts.
My challenge is simple - bash away but produce an alternative with merit. Otherwise it lacks credibility.
I am not the one with a Peeve, and you have made it obvious that Peeved better describes you.
I am not going to argue with you about circular nonsense any longer. You have failed to make one valid point this morning.Last edited by olblueyez; 07-27-11 at 07:27 AM.
07-27-11 07:23 AMLike 0 - As a professional I understand enough of business practices to understand that sometimes cuts happen. As someone who has to pay bills I am saddened that 2000 people lost their jobs in a terrible economy.
Since I do not have insight into their plans I cannot state that they have changed nothing else. If someone produces a document with RIM's strategic planning that shows that this was their only way to deal with their current troubles I'd like to see it.07-27-11 07:25 AMLike 0 - As a professional I understand enough of business practices to understand that sometimes cuts happen. As someone who has to pay bills I am saddened that 2000 people lost their jobs in a terrible economy.
Since I do not have insight into their plans I cannot state that they have changed nothing else. If someone produces a document with RIM's strategic planning that shows that this was their only way to deal with their current troubles I'd like to see it.
Think maybe Google/Android & Eric + Open Source + Chrome Browser + Chrome OS + RIM/QNX might equal serious competition for Apple and Microsoft?
Don't forget that People will turn to Open Source as an alternative to the uber expensive Apple and Microsoft.
Is it not true that what RIM needs is lots of brilliant programmers like they have over at Google?
Is it possible for us to connect the dots to form ideas?Last edited by olblueyez; 07-27-11 at 11:58 AM.
07-27-11 07:31 AMLike 0 -
Of course I'm making it obvious that I am peeved at the nature of the criticisms. It's what I said to begin with.
My peeve is exactly as I've said all along. People with no factual knowledge about RIM's plans criticising and bashing the company strategy with no actionable solutions to offer themselves. Of course there isn't an answer that will be given on a web forum. It is simply bashing. Lacks credence.07-27-11 07:32 AMLike 0 -
- Actionable ideas. Plucking Schmidt from Google and putting him on RIM is hardly actionable.
Of course I'm making it obvious that I am peeved at the nature of the criticisms. It's what I said to begin with.
My peeve is exactly as I've said all along. People with no factual knowledge about RIM's plans criticising and bashing the company strategy with no actionable solutions to offer themselves. Of course there isn't an answer that will be given on a web forum. It is simply bashing. Lacks credence.
Hey Lady, are you sure this is the place for you?
Maybe this is a social thing for you.
Did it ever occur to you those guys might read some of this and get a bulb over their heads?
Sometimes "bashing" as you call it can be used for waking up the masses who let our leaders run amuck.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revoltLast edited by olblueyez; 07-27-11 at 07:48 AM.
07-27-11 07:43 AMLike 0 - So everyone who is not a RIM employee should pack it in and ditch exchanging ideas on Crackberry?
Hey Lady, are you sure this is the place for you?
Maybe this is a social thing for you.
Did it ever occur to you those guys might read some of this and get a bulb over their heads?
Sometimes "bashing" as you call it can be used for waking up the masses who let our leaders run amuck.
Revolt | Define Revolt at Dictionary.com
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comLast edited by belfastdispatcher; 07-27-11 at 08:03 AM.
07-27-11 07:58 AMLike 0 - Because those two CEOs have put everything they had into creating RIM, all their money and time, took massive risks and created something amazing that changed the world.
Profits drop by 10% and now you want them to go? Seriously?
With manufacturing plants in Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Hungary and Malaysia and BES and BIS to support in so many countries, and governments to support in so many countries (Apple and Android don't have that worry yet)there's only so much one person do.
Look at the big picture people.
Now, how many of those companies larger than they are have 2 CEOs and 2 COOs? I can't say with certainty, but I'd wager that the answer is zero.
It isn't a matter of, "There is only so much that one person can do." Duh. That's why a company such as RIM has thousands and thousands of employees.
The issue is that the management structure at the top of RIM is a cluster****. Too many chiefs trying to lead the pack.Rooster99 likes this.07-27-11 08:00 AMLike 1 -
Hey Lady, are you sure this is the place for you?
Maybe this is a social thing for you.
Did it ever occur to you those guys might read some of this and get a bulb over their heads?
Sometimes "bashing" as you call it can be used for waking up the masses who let our leaders run amuck.
Revolt | Define Revolt at Dictionary.com
Again, RIM's plans are unknown to us. Or do you have inside information?07-27-11 08:04 AMLike 0 - Where did RIM come in on the latest Fortune 500? 490ish?
Now, how many of those companies larger than they are have 2 CEOs and 2 COOs? I can't say with certainty, but I'd wager that the answer is zero.
It isn't a matter of, "There is only so much that one person can do." Duh. That's why a company such as RIM has thousands and thousands of employees.
The issue is that the management structure at the top of RIM is a cluster****. Too many chiefs trying to lead the pack.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-27-11 08:15 AMLike 0 - Yet you offer none yourself and as an excuse you say "I know nothing about RIM, blah blah blah". Sounds like the kind of management style that ruins companies all the time, where ideas must be based on facts all the time. The word "brainstorm" mean anything to you? You think every great idea or invention came from a boardroom full of over bearing, out of touch, controlling, micromanaging, numb-nuts with a fortune in their pockets?
It absolutely is part of its allure. I have several new BBM contacts as a result of this site.
Google07-27-11 08:25 AMLike 0 - As much as I'd like to believe it's true, I doubt Mike ever logs in to crackberry.com, not only because we represent a small minority of the blackberry user base but probably because Rim has a media monitoring department or a media monitoring company hired. I do courier work for such a company.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-27-11 08:36 AMLike 0 -
The counter to your new argument could be as follows:
Blackberry has largely been a one trick pony. They had an idea, and hit it big with that idea. They've struggled, however, to move RIM forward since then. Yes, sales have increased as the cell phone and smart phone markets have increased. There will come a point in the very near future, however, when RIM's growth is going to plateau and then recede... if they continue with the one trick pony show.
Apple, Google, and Microsoft have all moved beyond simply trying to develop a modern phone and are now focused on bringing it all together to deliver an integrated, streamlined mobile and cloud computing reality to consumers. Meanwhile, the co-CEO/co-COO structure in place at RIM is still struggling to deliver 2009 and 2010 level phones.Rooster99 likes this.07-27-11 08:40 AMLike 1 - sleepngbearRetired ModeratorI did offer a solution with merit but you have failed to write one word about it and you still harp and moan "at the skies" about the way people present ideas.
I am not the one with a Peeve, and you have made it obvious that Peeved better describes you.
I am not going to argue with you about circular nonsense any longer. You have failed to make one valid point this morning.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01itr likes this.07-27-11 08:46 AMLike 1 - Yet you offer none yourself and as an excuse you say "I know nothing about RIM, blah blah blah". Sounds like the kind of management style that ruins companies all the time, where ideas must be based on facts all the time. The word "brainstorm" mean anything to you? You think every great idea or invention came from a boardroom full of over bearing, out of touch, controlling, micromanaging, numb-nuts with a fortune in their pockets?
Ideas must be presented within a factual framework giving specific laws. Whether you're talking about designing software or a dropping apple there are larger laws at stake. You can't design software without understanding the structure of the OS. You can't change a law without an understanding of the repercussions of that change. You must understand Nature if you are to change it.
Undisciplined brainstorming in a boardroom without structure is not executable brainstorming and therfore is nothing more than intellectual masturbast1on. An individual personal goal with nothing to add to the project or program.
Every invention has had to take into account the context where it is to work. I don't believe there is any such understanding of RIM's long term plans on this thread...is there?
read any of my other posts or have you assertained my opinion of RIM based on what I think about the two guys running the place? What was it you said about "Factual"?
assume you make this statement with the knowledge that Lazaridis and Balsillie are in fact incapable of opening a browser and typing in www.crackberry.com. Are you that far gone?
About the masses....do you see a mob with pitchforks coming into a RIM boardroom a la French Revolution to take out the CEOs much as the French mob ended the monarchy in France?
Not bloody likely.Last edited by Qbnkelt; 07-27-11 at 08:53 AM.
07-27-11 08:50 AMLike 0 - So, you are twisting your argument now.
The counter to your new argument could be as follows:
Blackberry has largely been a one trick pony. They had an idea, and hit it big with that idea. They've struggled, however, to move RIM forward since then. Yes, sales have increased as the cell phone and smart phone markets have increased. There will come a point in the very near future, however, when RIM's growth is going to plateau and then recede... if they continue with the one trick pony show.
Apple, Google, and Microsoft have all moved beyond simply trying to develop a modern phone and are now focused on bringing it all together to deliver an integrated, streamlined mobile and cloud computing reality to consumers. Meanwhile, the co-CEO/co-COO structure in place at RIM is still struggling to deliver 2009 and 2010 level phones.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01itr likes this.07-27-11 09:13 AMLike 1 - Bottom line is how much do you care about your car manufacture's management structure? Or you TV, Washing machine, computer, toaster etc?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-27-11 09:15 AMLike 0 -
I'm used to dealing in situations where facts are addressed within the framework of an actionable goal.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-27-11 09:15 AMLike 0 - Yet in UK the "2009" blackberry is the best selling mobile phone, markets are not universal around the world, clearly Rim is giving people what they want in UK and not Google's or Apples's "integrated, streamlined mobile and cloud computing reality to consumers"07-27-11 09:16 AMLike 0
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As much as I'd like to believe it's true, I doubt Mike ever logs in to crackberry.com, not only because we represent a small minority of the blackberry user base but probably because Rim has a media monitoring department or a media monitoring company hired. I do courier work for such a company.
I don't necessarily believe that RIM's executive management should be replaced, but you can't deny the act that the co-CEOs have steered the ship right into this stem it's currently in, since there's no reason that a company that still makes a nine-figure profit should be going a full year between phone releases. None. I understand that they went back to the drawing board and decided on a hardware upgrade late in development, but as all the decisions were Mike and Jim's they really don't get credit for taking so long to realize their plan wasn't working.Last edited by Economist101; 07-27-11 at 09:25 AM. Reason: typo
07-27-11 09:17 AMLike 0 -
iOS: 30+ million
Android: 30+ million
RIM: 13.7 million
Hmmm. So in terms of platform sales, only 1 of ever 5 devices sold between these platforms is an RIM device. Too broad you say? Okay, let's look just at phones:
Android: 30+ million
iOS: 20.2 million
RIM: 13.2 million
Still nearly just 1 of 5, despite the U.K. success. So what exactly was your point?07-27-11 09:24 AMLike 0 - Good point. Let's look at worldwide platform sales last quarter:
iOS: 30+ million
Android: 30+ million
RIM: 13.7 million
Hmmm. So in terms of platform sales, only 1 of ever 5 devices sold between these platforms is an RIM device. Too broad you say? Okay, let's look just at phones:
Android: 30+ million
iOS: 20.2 million
RIM: 13.2 million
Still nearly just 1 of 5, despite the U.K. success. So what exactly was your point?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-27-11 09:35 AMLike 0 -
- Lets see how 2012 go with new phones on qnx. competition does not come from handsets, but also from services. Someone may sell something similar to BES or BIS. Apple already tried I message..and cloud..what next? Maybe from microsoft, some enterprise solution?
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