The Classic is not a better Q10 even though it will probably outsell it
- "Hey you have the new Classic!"
"Yup, sure do, love it. You a Crackberrian?"
"Yes sir I am! Got myself a Passport a few months ago"
Phone comparison begins.
"Hmmm wish I could use my keyboard as a trackpad...."
This is a stupid scenario, but I could see comparisons, in person, happening. Classic owners won't appreciate that Blackberry left the classic out of the touch sensitive keyboard department.
There is an argument though. Why have two trackpads on one device? The classic would have to be rid of the mini trackpad to accommodate the usefulness of the touch sensitive keyboard.
There are plenty of ideas I'm sure they've run through. One would hope.
Truly wish that Laz and balls picked up their game when they noticed that the market was getting more fierce a few years ago. Don't get me wrong, the 9900 was a great device. Thing is that it should not have been released 3 years ago. It should have been released 6 years ago. I don't think blackberry would be in the super tight spot that they're in right now.
Posted via CB Q10 or 900011-02-14 05:35 AMLike 0 - It is a better phone, sorry. It looks spectacular compared to that awkward Q10 and I'm sure this time it won't double type.
Deal with it.AthenaSmith likes this.11-02-14 09:00 AMLike 1 - People are saying that the classic is going to be the best selling phone upcoming with BlackBerry, like it's bread and butter. It may very well be but this is more of a PR thing and has nothing to do with it being a better phone or that it sports a belt.
The Q10 and the classic have essentially the same specs except one has a belt. The classic may have a larger display but with the same resolution pushing the ppi below the 300 mark. 300ppi may be somewhat of an arbitrary boundary marker defined by apple but like it or not it is the bar we measure by and if it's lower people don't like it.
What the real difference is when the Q10 was released and when the classic will be released BlackBerry has changed a lot. With the Q10 it was a too little too late... and then delayed then really too late. But now bb10 has matured and refined a lot more. BlackBerry is also no longer looked upon as a dying company but instead it is regaining it's ground on innovation and business. They are the same phone essentially and both will run 10.3.1 but the classic is essentially the phone launched under the now promising direction of BlackBerry rather than the dying one it was when the Q10 was released. And this is what will make the phone sell better.
It's too bad for the Q10 because it is a solid phone but because of when they were launch the Z10/Q10 era of phones were always doomed to relative failure until the company could get back on their feet. The classic is a rebranded Q10 with a belt thrown on but no one will ever admit it is the Q10's successor nor will there ever be a successor because the Q10 is associated with the old company that couldn't make it. Now the classic is the new company full of promise and innovation.
Of course it is all a PR thing and none if it really makes these phones better than the other but how we view something can be most of the battle and business users are no less ignorant or vain. I for one love my Q10 and will not be changing. Remember the Seinfeld episode with the beltless raincoat called the executive and somehow the missing belt made it better. well that's the Q10 to me, a beltless classic.
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And btw AFAIK the Classic is getting the slightly more powerful Z30 SoC, not that of the Q10/Z10.
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Posted via CB1011-02-14 10:20 AMLike 0 -
- Z10 almost destroyed BlackBerry. Q10 saved it. I love the Q. But for Legacy users it can be difficult to use so the Classic makes sense.
Posted via CB1011-02-14 10:28 AMLike 0 - 11-02-14 10:58 AMLike 0
- I think the one who almost killed the company was the Storm. When Q10 came out Blackberry was already bleeding and in my personal opinion i think Q10 is a great phone. I got the iphone 6 and couldn't quit the Q10. I got both now because my Q10 is awesome!!!!11-02-14 10:59 AMLike 0
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Apart from that: How big would a device have to be, when it has the display size of a Note 4, and a keyboard?
Why haven't we seen tablets with keyboards, in the candybar form factor?
And I don't mean hybrids like the Sony Vaio (which are funny products, but sadly flopped).
Physical keyboards on phones have been made obsolete, through the on demand virtual keyboard.
The whole history of keyboard phones, be it sliders or candybar designs, prove that.
But you'll never accept it, as it would mean that you have to accept that BlackBerry's strategy is a bad one.
Therefore, come back to me when BlackBerry sold so many Passports and Classics, that the keyboard niche exceeds or attains the 1% marketshare (I mean, even then nothing would have changed, and the strategy is still bad, but Keyboard phones at least passed the stage of having 0. something % of the market).
Until keyboard phones make a comeback and have a sizeable amount of the market again, what I say is true, because only then, has it been falsified.
And we both know that won't happen... So why even argue against reality?
Don't expect an answer if you reply, I am so done arguing the obvious with fanboys.
Oh wait, it doesn't make sense :O
But yes, you are correct. It should have indeed finally happened.
The Q5 and Q10 weren't exactly glorious.
The Passport seems pretty awesome on the other hand.
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Posted via CB1011-02-14 01:30 PMLike 0 - Can you prove that, or is that yet another point you invented, to sugarcoat BlackBerry's strategy?
Apart from that: How big would a device have to be, when it has the display size of a Note 4, and a keyboard?
Why haven't we seen tablets with keyboards, in the candybar form factor?
And I don't mean hybrids like the Sony Vaio (which are funny products, but sadly flopped).
Physical keyboards on phones have been made obsolete, through the on demand virtual keyboard.
The whole history of keyboard phones, be it sliders or candybar designs, prove that.
But you'll never accept it, as it would mean that you have to accept that BlackBerry's strategy is a bad one.
Therefore, come back to me when BlackBerry sold so many Passports and Classics, that the keyboard niche exceeds or attains the 1% marketshare (I mean, even then nothing would have changed, and the strategy is still bad, but Keyboard phones at least passed the stage of having 0. something % of the market).
Until keyboard phones make a comeback and have a sizeable amount of the market again, what I say is true, because only then, has it been falsified.
And we both know that won't happen... So why even argue against reality?
Don't expect an answer if you reply, I am so done arguing the obvious with fanboys.
Call me when it happened.
Because focusing on less than 0.5% of the market makes so much sense when you don't sell for 5 times the price of your competition.
Oh wait, it doesn't make sense :O
But yes, you are correct. It should have indeed finally happened.
The Q5 and Q10 weren't exactly glorious.
The Passport seems pretty awesome on the other hand.
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Posted via CB1011-02-14 01:31 PMLike 0 - I won't go through this argument again because the most of what you say is, sorry, shortsighted BS ignoring too many factors and we're just moving around in a circle here. Sorry but it had to be said. Let's give up. 0.5% blah blah blah, no matter how many times you write it, it won't give your argumentation any more substance.
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(hint: a race to the bottom is usually inevitable, for every non luxury/lifestyle positioned manufacturer/brand)
Or the guy who didn't learn anything about the past and what happened with keyboard phones (or portable CD players, video tape recorders etc).
Or maybe the guy who hasn't brought up any substantial argument in favour of the keyboard focused strategy, apart from... Well, now that I think about it, you never stated any argument apart from me being wrong. Which you couldn't prove though, so it gets pretty comical at that point.
When keyboard phones regain a sizable amount of the market, call me.
Until then, everything I have said about them is correct.
Btw, I think that you have no idea how much I will ridicule you when most of the things I said, will occur.
(the probabilities are on my side, I just have to let time do the rest)
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Posted via CB1011-02-14 03:40 PMLike 4 - Why would anyone buy a BlackBerry ? Is it BB 10 and the hub or do they want a physical keyboard phone with a bigger screen and a modern OS. The answer is both. The market for a premium physical keyboard phone is very small but at least BlackBerry owns that market. The bottom line is that BlackBerry must offer all touch devices while still offering physical keyboard models. Eventually, if BlackBerry is successful, all touch models will be the bigger sellers.11-02-14 04:58 PMLike 0
- Yup and here we go again: you missing the point. My argument was never about 'keyboard phones regaining a sizable amount of the market', that was always just YOUR point. MY point tho was 'being profitable in the short term and whether the Passport and Classic in particular can accomplish this or not'. You were the one persisting on spinning all this into 'keyboards phones in general as a way to make BlackBerry a big device OEM in the mid to long term'. Are we done now?
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Posted via CB Q10 or 900011-02-14 05:05 PMLike 0 - @MarsupilamiX
Btw, looks like the global smartphone market is going have a volume of 1,200-1,300M devices this year. Growth is still there (at around 25% currently). But just picking that 1,250M devices 'today' and thinking of Chen's claim to be profitable at 10M devices a year, yeah, you hear it, that's around 0.8% of the market....TODAY. This time next year, assuming market growth of a conservative 15%, it'll be down to 0.7%. Yup the numbers you use to comically ridicule BlackBerry's short term strategy for keyboard phones ALONE (*cough* *cough* Z3 *cough* Z30 successor *cough*) are already ENOUGH to make the phone division profitable and therefore support my arguments. Which, btw, were never that "keyboard phones are an awesome strategy" but rather "seems to make sense and isn't bad (opposed to what you claim constantly)".
So give me a call when.....wait... there's literally nothing that can happen to prove me wrong apparently. Other than BlackBerry indeed becoming a company flooding the market with expensive-to-make all touch devices nobody wants at insanely low price points of course. At which point the company will go bankrupt or get bought out for parts within 6-12 months.
Posted via CB10Xenolock likes this.11-03-14 05:02 AMLike 1 - @MarsupilamiX
Btw, looks like the global smartphone market is going have a volume of 1,200-1,300M devices this year. Growth is still there (at around 25% currently). But just picking that 1,250M devices 'today' and thinking of Chen's claim to be profitable at 10M devices a year, yeah, you hear it, that's around 0.8% of the market....TODAY. This time next year, assuming market growth of a conservative 15%, it'll be down to 0.7%. Yup the numbers you use to comically ridicule BlackBerry's short term strategy for keyboard phones ALONE (*cough* *cough* Z3 *cough* Z30 successor *cough*) are already ENOUGH to make the phone division profitable and therefore support my arguments. Which, btw, were never that "keyboard phones are an awesome strategy" but rather "seems to make sense and isn't bad (opposed to what you claim constantly)".
So give me a call when.....wait... there's literally nothing that can happen to prove me wrong apparently. Other than BlackBerry indeed becoming a company flooding the market with expensive-to-make all touch devices nobody wants at insanely low price points of course. At which point the company will go bankrupt or get bought out for parts within 6-12 months.
Posted via CB1011-03-14 08:20 PMLike 0 - They used to post their market shares in the financial statements. Try this proxy. If you search Google Trends for BlackBerry for a recent period it will tell you the relative interest in individual countries around the world. Apple is not popular in every market either. BlackBerry is quite concentrated. Their best hope is in markets they have a decent base. There are lots of articles on the Internet citing the strength of BlackBerry in Indonesia and Nigeria. If BlackBerry wants to make an increase in device sales they need to manufacture in China, India and Indonesia.11-03-14 08:58 PMLike 0
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Posted via CB1011-04-14 10:02 AMLike 0 -
Full touch: Z10, Z30, Z3, P'9982
Seems to me that both QWERTY and full touch are only now on par. The release of the Classic will give the QWERTY devices only a 1 device lead.
Not to mention your Z30 is barely a year old now. What are your complaints if any about your year old Z30?
Posted via CB10AthenaSmith likes this.11-04-14 10:15 AMLike 1 - QWERTY: Q10, Q5, Passport, P'9983
Full touch: Z10, Z30, Z3, P'9982
Seems to me that both QWERTY and full touch are only now on par. The release of the Classic will give the QWERTY devices only a 1 device lead.
Not to mention your Z30 is barely a year old now. What are your complaints if any about your year old Z30?
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Then leave the Z3 out of it as well, since it's not available in 3/4 of the world and is an entry level phone nobody in "developed" nations would buy anyhow.
Oh, and add the Classic to the keyboard portfolio.
You just got the 2:4 split, and yes, I am totally serious here.
For most potential buyers, the situation is exactly like I described.
Posted via CB1011-04-14 10:52 AMLike 0 - Leave the Porsche phones out of it, as they aren't getting sold under the BlackBerry brand.
Then leave the Z3 out of it as well, since it's not available in 3/4 of the world and is an entry level phone nobody in "developed" nations would buy anyhow.
Oh, and add the Classic to the keyboard portfolio.
You just got the 2:4 split, and yes, I am totally serious here.
For most potential buyers, the situation is exactly like I described.
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As of today, they're are four BB10 QWERTY devices and four BB10 full touch devices.
Facts are facts. Deal with it.
Posted via CB10AthenaSmith likes this.11-04-14 11:49 AMLike 1 -
Never have I said that the devices you talk about don't exist.
I describe the real world scenario, when th Classic will have launched.
What I describe is the choice the vaaaaaaast majority of potential BlackBerry buyers will face.
You on the other hand describe a theoretical scenario that basically has no meaning in the real world.
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