10-20-16 04:42 PM
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  1. kvndoom's Avatar
    I fully disagree. Chen made great decisions on HW. When he started with the company BlackBerry had terrible contacts with their manufacturers. BlackBerry had cash, but a great deal of it was committed. The manufacturers bought the parts inventory, but if the parts were not used BlackBerry was fully responsible for the inventory. This is the reason BlackBerry had to get cash from Prem. Chen needed liquid cash.

    Chen completely changed the way BlackBerry built phones and worked with manufacturers. But he was also stuck with a lot of old chips and parts he had to use to create phones.

    Complain all you want about Chen but look at the difference in the books and BlackBerry's finacials now and 2013 and he has done wonders. Most analysts predicted BlackBerry would run out of cash in 2015. He changed the whole way Blackberry's backend business worked. Considering the mess he inherited, his results are amazing.
    We're actually in agreement, but I don't think I phrased myself that well.
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    10-14-16 03:59 AM
  2. eshropshire's Avatar
    We're actually in agreement, but I don't think I phrased myself that well.
    You know after I posted I realized I was preaching to the Choir . After typing that much I figured I would just leave it for others. Thanks for being a good sport about my poor reading skills.
    10-14-16 05:01 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm a retired mod from Windows Central. Part of the reason (small part) is because of the endless whining and moaning regarding the platform. The CEO of Microsoft is inept, no marketing, blah, blah and blahhhh. BB users are borderline suicidal over losing FB, WebEx and Whatsapp. Somebody call the whaaaambulance, at least there are options. Face10 is probably better than the native app, Whatsapp can be circumvented with the version on Snap. At least many Android ports are available, and work! Look at what WinPho users are up against then cry foul.
    10-14-16 05:51 PM
  4. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    I'm a retired mod from Windows Central. Part of the reason (small part) is because of the endless whining and moaning regarding the platform. The CEO of Microsoft is inept, no marketing, blah, blah and blahhhh. BB users are borderline suicidal over losing FB, WebEx and Whatsapp. Somebody call the whaaaambulance, at least there are options. Face10 is probably better than the native app, Whatsapp can be circumvented with the version on Snap. At least many Android ports are available, and work! Look at what WinPho users are up against then cry foul.
    Haha... good one!
    There's always somebody worse of... ;-))))

      "Chenterprise. We are the future. Resistance is futile. Prepare to BBe... "  
    10-14-16 06:19 PM
  5. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Hypothesis #1:
    BlackBerry is directing the developers to not make these three popular apps compatible. One then would have to assume the BB10 users represent value to the app owners, and in an effort to kill BB10 BlackBerry surely would need to pay that value, to gain their cooperation.

    Hypothesis #2:
    BlackBerry is spending money gaining NIAP certification simply to lead the fans on, and sell off remaining stock. This would presume actually releasing any of the 10.3.3 versions on their server would incur less motivational factor, than holding it back on the promise of something virtually no one desires or needs.

    My local stores ran out of tin foil, as I tried my best to make sense out of all this.
    10-14-16 09:49 PM
  6. eshropshire's Avatar
    Hypothesis #1:
    BlackBerry is directing the developers to not make these three popular apps compatible. One then would have to assume the BB10 users represent value to the app owners, and in an effort to kill BB10 BlackBerry surely would need to pay that value, to gain their cooperation.

    Hypothesis #2:
    BlackBerry is spending money gaining NIAP certification simply to lead the fans on, and sell off remaining stock. This would presume actually releasing any of the 10.3.3 versions on their server would incur less motivational factor, than holding it back on the promise of something virtually no one desires or needs.

    My local stores ran out of tin foil, as I tried my best to make sense out of all this.
    Or maybe the number of BB10 users using their platform has dropped to the point that it is not worth the cost to maintain their apps.

    I work for a large software developer. We are always always tracking usage stats for platforms. Maintenance of, and support for a platform is expensive. If a company is no longer developing their SDK and has let go most of their developers and their base keeps dropping ending support for that platform is a pretty easy decision. We don't need the company to encourage us to drop support.
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    10-14-16 11:52 PM
  7. kvndoom's Avatar
    I'm a retired mod from Windows Central. Part of the reason (small part) is because of the endless whining and moaning regarding the platform. The CEO of Microsoft is inept, no marketing, blah, blah and blahhhh. BB users are borderline suicidal over losing FB, WebEx and Whatsapp. Somebody call the whaaaambulance, at least there are options. Face10 is probably better than the native app, Whatsapp can be circumvented with the version on Snap. At least many Android ports are available, and work! Look at what WinPho users are up against then cry foul.
    So... out of the frying pan and straight into hell, eh?

    Blackberry Poptart SE - Cricket Wireless
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    10-15-16 08:36 AM
  8. anon(8080272)'s Avatar
    Hypothesis #1:
    BlackBerry is directing the developers to not make these three popular apps compatible. One then would have to assume the BB10 users represent value to the app owners, and in an effort to kill BB10 BlackBerry surely would need to pay that value, to gain their cooperation.

    Hypothesis #2:
    BlackBerry is spending money gaining NIAP certification simply to lead the fans on, and sell off remaining stock. This would presume actually releasing any of the 10.3.3 versions on their server would incur less motivational factor, than holding it back on the promise of something virtually no one desires or needs.

    My local stores ran out of tin foil, as I tried my best to make sense out of all this.
    I think I understand your difficulty. This is gold-foil standard stuff; mere tin (or aluminum) won't do.
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    10-15-16 11:29 AM
  9. ohaiguise's Avatar
    Remember when Chen commissioned a re-release of the Bold 9900 a few months before the launch of the Classic?

    Did that limited production run do well? Generate any profits? I can't remember hearing anything about it.
    10-15-16 11:39 AM
  10. anon(8080272)'s Avatar
    Or maybe the number of BB10 users using their platform has dropped to the point that it is not worth the cost to maintain their apps.

    I work for a large software developer. We are always always tracking usage stats for platforms. Maintenance of, and support for a platform is expensive. If a company is no longer developing their SDK and has let go most of their developers and their base keeps dropping ending support for that platform is a pretty easy decision. We don't need the company to encourage us to drop support.
    And your mistake is to consider bringing stats and empirical data to what are primarily emotion-fueled rants (which in my experience are merely intensified by things such as a calm conversational demeanor backed with even a shred of verifiable data). And we should all realize that for the most part, it's not what forums are about, in the same way BB10 is not about apps.

    In all seriousness, it's pretty much exactly as you've said. Investment in a relatively unused platform is about as clever as pouring millions into designing world's best cassette tape. As much as I wish Blackberry were a charity organization, even with my tinfoil hat on, I realize it will never turn into one.

    Whether Chen is the best or worst CEO in the world, it doesn't prevent me from enjoying by BB10 device. I neither expect my sports car to pull a trailer, nor do I expect my SUV to handle like my sports car. Life is good.
    10-15-16 11:42 AM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    So... out of the frying pan and straight into hell, eh?

    Blackberry Poptart SE - Cricket Wireless
    I was in the oven before hitting the frying pan - I'm an avowed webOS devotee and PalmOS before that.
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    10-15-16 01:31 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    My local stores ran out of tin foil, as I tried my best to make sense out of all this.
    Bud, 316 Stainless couldn't help you with those "speculations".
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    10-15-16 01:36 PM
  13. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Remember when Chen commissioned a re-release of the Bold 9900 a few months before the launch of the Classic?

    Did that limited production run do well? Generate any profits? I can't remember hearing anything about it.
    That limited production run was specifically to make some Bolds available to a couple of big BES customers who had run out of replacement phones and needed more to get through their planned transition. It was never intended to be any kind of consumer success, and I doubt more than a handful of those phones made it to the consumer market anyway. It was just something BB did for a few of their biggest customers.
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    10-15-16 01:46 PM
  14. ohaiguise's Avatar
    That limited production run was specifically to make some Bolds available to a couple of big BES customers who had run out of replacement phones and needed more to get through their planned transition. It was never intended to be any kind of consumer success, and I doubt more than a handful of those phones made it to the consumer market anyway. It was just something BB did for a few of their biggest customers.
    Well, can't they do similar, limited production runs based on demand?

    Injecting 500,000 new phones into the channel every now and then will also allow for new parts and some handsets to filter through to consumers who want PKB devices.
    10-15-16 03:24 PM
  15. app_Developer's Avatar
    Well, can't they do similar, limited production runs based on demand?

    Injecting 500,000 new phones into the channel every now and then will also allow for new parts and some handsets to filter through to consumers who want PKB devices.
    Well, do we know if BB made money on those Bolds? They may also have had inventory (screens or boards) that they otherwise would have to write down anyway.

    They could still go out and produce (meaning owning the inventory of) 500,000 devices every now and then as you say. The question is can they make any money doing that? Chen seems to think they can't.
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    10-15-16 03:51 PM
  16. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Well, can't they do similar, limited production runs based on demand?

    Injecting 500,000 new phones into the channel every now and then will also allow for new parts and some handsets to filter through to consumers who want PKB devices.
    First, the run was probably closer to 50,000 phones, if even that, and one big reason they could do this with the 9900 was because, even though it was an old design, there was still a market for those phones - AND sales of those phones came with monthly revenue built-in in the form of BES subscriber fees. Also, it was in fact an old design, so no R&D needed to be done. They may have even had most of the parts to build them in left-over inventory.

    It's the rare exception that you can put a 3+ year-old smartphone design back into production and make a profit. They were also fortunate to have either had the components already, or that they were still available to purchase. Most of the BB10 phones, for example, were build on the Qualcomm S4 Plus SoC, and it, and the memory module it was designed to use, are no longer available to purchase - not having been manufactured for years already - making it impossible for BB to build more even if they wanted to.

    Besides, I promise you there aren't 50,000 users demanding new Z10s and being willing to pay MSRP for them, and even if there were, and even if parts to make them existed, they likely wouldn't come with monthly BES revenues built-in. That was a huge motivating factor to keep those customers with BB.
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    10-15-16 06:44 PM
  17. CNX66's Avatar
    We have the people begging for the 10.3.3. security update here... Always entertaining.

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    Last edited by CNX66; 10-16-16 at 04:03 AM.
    10-16-16 03:17 AM
  18. Slash82's Avatar
    Now I have the tinfoil or what?

    Just click on the crackberry homepage!

    Link isn't supported for macOS Sierra and Windows10.

    Some of you might be laughing - but I still think that it's BlackBerry who makes OS10 unusable!
    No more Link, no more Blend and same goes with apps!
    And that's why WhatsApp, Facebook and all the other things won't be working anymore in near future!

    Not because app makers jumped off - BlackBerry is jumping off!


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    10-20-16 04:42 PM
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