- After using it for 8 months, I can say, as a total package, it is very good - the best BlackBerry device to date. You need to give it a try while remaining patient while you change workflow and muscle memory.
Three issues:
1) Android Marshmallow, which I won't say much about because you can find many resources out there. But I will quickly note that app integration runs very deep into the OS allowing unbeatable sharing and data manipulation.
2) BlackBerry apps. I find the launcher lightweight and clean, with the familiar sparks. The HUB, if kept running, can be accessed from anywhere in under half a second. If BB10 HUB was a 10/10, I would give this at least an 8. I've set up swipe gestures to toggle read and flag status. A quick pull down menu can filter the hub by category, and swipe from left brings up separate accounts.
3) dtek, hardening, and quick security updates. I have set up dtek to warn me of ANY access to locations, camera, contacts and storage. I can then further filter by app to tailor permissions by adding back access. I also like getting updates faster than Nexus.
Any other questions?IndianTiwari likes this.07-21-16 05:04 PMLike 1 - You are moving the posts of the discussion again. I'm not talking about Google's targeted advertising.
I'm talking about the need for balance.
I would never advocate blanket government surveillance. It would have to be targeted, specific access with a warrant. If a deal isn't worked out along those lines, governments may in fact legislate the former. Surely you would not be happy with that outcome.
Once the governments eliminate guns and bombs from public access, then, if terrorism still remains a problem, we can debate the threat of terrorism and if communications should be surveiled.
As for doing it with a legal warrant, we always had that. Nothing changed in the Internet era.07-21-16 08:14 PMLike 0 - I take gun control and bomb control over communication and thought control any time.
Once the governments eliminate guns and bombs from public access, then, if terrorism still remains a problem, we can debate the threat of terrorism and if communications should be surveiled.
As for doing it with a legal warrant, we always had that. Nothing changed in the Internet era.
Priv STV100-1 AAF518 / Q5SQR100-1/10.3.3.74607-21-16 08:59 PMLike 0 - I am not ignoring it. It's a speculation. It may or may not happen. Anything can happen but it shouldn't happen in a democracy.07-21-16 10:38 PMLike 0
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Posted via CB1007-21-16 11:43 PMLike 0 - Pretty much every right can be infringed, even in a democracy.
A right to free speech does not permit someone to yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre. Freedom of religion does not permit someone to refuse service to a gay person. Even the sacrosanct right to bear arms in the US does not empower someone to own a machine gun.
If a government, including a democratic one, determined that end-to-end encryption disrupts the appropriate balance between the right to privacy and the societal benefits of government infringing that right when justified, it can and no doubt would change the laws to restore the perceived appropriate balance. There is already a move to do just that in the US: http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...cause-of-child
My understanding is that is what Chen is saying is coming down the pipe. As much as Apple and others like to boast of end-to-end encryption, that party is coming to an end. Everybody will be forced to do what BlackBerry is already doing.07-21-16 11:49 PMLike 0 -
Look, everyone! I turned Ford nearly cash flow positive!
Posted via CB10techvisor likes this.07-21-16 11:51 PMLike 1 - Bingo! I could be the CEO of Ford Motor Company. I will fire every factory worker and engineer, fire 3/4 of the managers, sell all the real estate and then overpay for a handful of auto related startups that are marginally breakeven.
Look, everyone! I turned Ford nearly cash flow positive!
Posted via CB10app_Developer likes this.07-22-16 06:57 AMLike 1 - Bingo! I could be the CEO of Ford Motor Company. I will fire every factory worker and engineer, fire 3/4 of the managers, sell all the real estate and then overpay for a handful of auto related startups that are marginally breakeven.
Look, everyone! I turned Ford nearly cash flow positive!
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Good thing only BlackBerry downsizes when times are tough! Ford employees definitely have nothing to worry about!
Passport SE, "The BlockBerry" - Cricket Wireless07-22-16 07:24 AMLike 0 - I have to say I think you are wrong on many points, Conite is always one of the first to stick a hand out to help with either OS 10 or in my case a Priv. I fully understand how you feel, but people like Conite and even to more of and extent Cobalt have kept many an OS 10 phones up and running.....and in the end for nothing.TgeekB and IndianTiwari like this.07-22-16 07:50 AMLike 2
- BB need to replace the subscription fee of OS7 with some steady income. Just like GE need to replace their Financial arm with new products. Apple got cloud, itune. Amazon got prime, Costco got membership, Netflix $ as well. The OS7 with the server was the cash cow. Hopefully, BB find that some unique, secure, selective excess point soon. Or, get some Pokemon for business style.... search for real $. ;-)07-22-16 03:03 PMLike 0
- BB need to replace the subscription fee of OS7 with some steady income. Just like GE need to replace their Financial arm with new products. Apple got cloud, itune. Amazon got prime, Costco got membership, Netflix $ as well. The OS7 with the server was the cash cow. Hopefully, BB find that some unique, secure, selective excess point soon. Or, get some Pokemon for business style.... search for real $. ;-)JeepBB likes this.07-22-16 06:37 PMLike 1
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Its bad for business to criticize another company, specially when you're a software company that has Apps/Programs that run on their devices.. But I think you should excuse Chen.. He was never the Good CEO when it comes to that.. Also he really needs a PR course.. If you want my opinion, I think Chen is the kind of CEO you would have behind the doors.. Not out there in the open to talk to the masses and represent the company..07-23-16 02:51 AMLike 3 - What you don't understand is that in businesses as big as Ford -- and arguably former BlackBerry -- you don't panic and sell everything because things are not profitable at the moment. Maybe you suffer losses of $1B but the industry is about to turn around and you can make $100B over the next 50 years. You don't say, "OK, it was fun building cars for the last 100 years but this business is tough! Let's just keep our high pressure water hoses and run a profitable car wash business. That is predictable income! We can sell candybars at the cash register!"
Posted via CB10JeepBB likes this.07-23-16 08:25 AMLike 1 -
How about asking their remaining BBOS customers if they would LIKE a new BBOS handset, and if enough customers say yes, do a limited production run to give them new handsets running BBOS and keep the BIS subscription fees coming in in the process?07-23-16 09:14 AMLike 0 - What you don't understand is that in businesses as big as Ford -- and arguably former BlackBerry -- you don't panic and sell everything because things are not profitable at the moment. Maybe you suffer losses of $1B but the industry is about to turn around and you can make $100B over the next 50 years. You don't say, "OK, it was fun building cars for the last 100 years but this business is tough! Let's just keep our high pressure water hoses and run a profitable car wash business. That is predictable income! We can sell candybars at the cash register!"
Imagine you had a small business with $1.5M in cash and you were losing 400-500k (sometime more!) per quarter and demand for your product was dropping at an alarming rate. What would you do?
And remember this was not losses for one quarter, or even one year. This was sustained over a few years. It wasn't just a profitability problem either, it was massive falls in demand at the same time. If Ford saw a 90% reduction in demand for their cars, they would most certainly think about a different business.
And no, the industry is not recovering. It has becoming commoditized, making it very difficult for companies like BlackBerry and Apple to compete. The future of handsets is a flood of cheap Android devices coming out of China. Apple will have to adjust to this also over the next few years. BlackBerry has to do it immediately because they don't have the brand that Apple has or the cash that Apple has. That's the reality Chen faces.Last edited by app_Developer; 07-23-16 at 10:15 AM.
DrBoomBotz and JeepBB like this.07-23-16 09:27 AMLike 2 -
I am not saying that you don't have to restructure and take many of the steps that Chen took. Many of his methods of downsizing are not controversial. Sale-leasebacks on the real property. Firing a lot of the staff. Etc., etc.
At some point, the cuts can take away options or damage future prospects of the company. I think he cut too far.
The money Chen spent on acquisitions was considerable. I have estimated over $1B based on reports, but I don't know if anyone knows for certain. If Chen "had" to release any BB10 devices -- as Conite, I think, has said in another thread -- he should have given these devices -- especially Z30, Passport and Classic -- a chance to succeed by investing $100M or so in marketing. They had no chance to succeed. The public did not know about them. Zero chance. Fact. Zero chance. This is a fact. People don't know, people can't buy. Fact.
And remember this was not losses for one quarter, or even one year. This was sustained over a few years. It wasn't just a profitability problem either, it was massive falls in demand at the same time. If Ford saw a 90% reduction in demand for their cars, they would most certainly think about a different business.
Also, if Ford saw a drop of 90-percent it would know that something was very wrong with its product. This is because it has competent marketing executives that make sure that the public knows what Ford sells. Ford has a distribution network. Consumers know that Ford exists and that its products exist.
Blackberry's biggest problem after BB10 matured and the Z30 and Passport were on the market was not that it's product had brake failures or engines that blew up. It's problem was that people thought it went out of business and had no idea what its new operating system could do. They had no way of testing the phones if they heard through the grapevine that they existed. After taking over, Chen spent no marketing efforts on reversing the reports that Blackberry was going out of business or that it would stop making phones. To this day, this silence hurts Blackberry.
And no, the industry is not recovering. It has becoming commoditized, making it very difficult for companies like BlackBerry and Apple to compete. The future of handsets is a flood of cheap Android devices coming out of China. Apple will have to adjust to this also over the next few years. BlackBerry has to do it immediately because they don't have the brand that Apple has or the cash that Apple has. That's the reality Chen faces.
When Apple was getting crushed in the PC market in the 1990s, it could have given up PCs. It didn't give up and was rewarded for it. Sometimes giving up and retreating is the best strategy. Sometimes it isn't.07-23-16 09:55 PMLike 0 - I am not saying that you don't have to restructure and take many of the steps that Chen took. Many of his methods of downsizing are not controversial. Sale-leasebacks on the real property. Firing a lot of the staff. Etc., etc.
At some point, the cuts can take away options or damage future prospects of the company. I think he cut too far.
The money Chen spent on acquisitions was considerable. I have estimated over $1B based on reports, but I don't know if anyone knows for certain.
If Chen "had" to release any BB10 devices -- as Conite, I think, has said in another thread -- he should have given these devices -- especially Z30, Passport and Classic -- a chance to succeed by investing $100M or so in marketing. They had no chance to succeed. The public did not know about them. Zero chance. Fact. Zero chance. This is a fact. People don't know, people can't buy. Fact.
$100M is not very much in the consumer ad space. They could have easily spent that and more and not gotten that much attention.
But what does that mean for the device costs? If they sold 5M devices (net returns), that means $20 per device. If they managed to sell 2M then you're looking at a ridiculous $50 per device. Apple spends quite bit less on advertising on a per device basis.
Now noticed I said net the returns. That's where you and I probably differ. I think most people who would have bought BB10 phones because of increased advertising would have returned them anyway. They would have found this site or other tip sites, saw that you have to install Cobalt this and workaround that, and done what most normal people would do and just return the thing.
It takes a phone fan like you or me to even bother trying to figure out who this Cobalt is.
Once Prem Watsa's people came in with their financing, Blackberry had the capital it needed to properly market its phones. It did not need $1B to do this.
Also, if Ford saw a drop of 90-percent it would know that something was very wrong with its product. This is because it has competent marketing executives that make sure that the public knows what Ford sells. Ford has a distribution network. Consumers know that Ford exists and that its products exist.
I would say Chen did look at the massive drop in demand and he actually did conclude (correctly) that there was something very wrong with his products. That why he moved money away from BB10.
There seem to be enough people with money to fund the premium handset market. I think Apple will be doing fine for decades to come. It will continue to sell premium smartphones no matter what trinkets come out of China or where ever. This is because -- like Blackberry before -- Apple combines a clean operating system with it's own hardware which makes for a better, more reliable user experience.
When Apple was getting crushed in the PC market in the 1990s, it could have given up PCs. It didn't give up and was rewarded for it. Sometimes giving up and retreating is the best strategy. Sometimes it isn't.
Imagine if artists and designers couldn't run Photoshop on their Macs. Or if you couldn't edit a Powerpoint on one. GIMP and Open Office wouldn't have cut it. People really do want the real thing.
I'm on a Mac right now. If I didn't have official, no kidding, no BS workarounds, distributions of Go and Docker, I would put this thing in a drawer and buy a PC. The only reason I can use a Mac in reality is because of developer support.JeepBB likes this.07-23-16 11:16 PMLike 1 -
Posted via CB1007-23-16 11:19 PMLike 0 - The money Chen spent on acquisitions was considerable. I have estimated over $1B based on reports, but I don't know if anyone knows for certain. If Chen "had" to release any BB10 devices -- as Conite, I think, has said in another thread -- he should have given these devices -- especially Z30, Passport and Classic -- a chance to succeed by investing $100M or so in marketing. They had no chance to succeed. The public did not know about them. Zero chance. Fact. Zero chance. This is a fact. People don't know, people can't buy. Fact.
BlackBerry Taps B-toB Agency Gyro to Remake Its Brand | Agency News - AdAge
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/te...huge-loss.html
Once Prem Watsa's people came in with their financing, Blackberry had the capital it needed to properly market its phones. It did not need $1B to do this.
Also, if Ford saw a drop of 90-percent it would know that something was very wrong with its product. This is because it has competent marketing executives that make sure that the public knows what Ford sells. Ford has a distribution network. Consumers know that Ford exists and that its products exist.
Blackberry's biggest problem after BB10 matured and the Z30 and Passport were on the market was not that it's product had brake failures or engines that blew up. It's problem was that people thought it went out of business and had no idea what its new operating system could do. They had no way of testing the phones if they heard through the grapevine that they existed. After taking over, Chen spent no marketing efforts on reversing the reports that Blackberry was going out of business or that it would stop making phones. To this day, this silence hurts Blackberry.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...-new-campaign/
At the very least if they weren't able to generate brand awareness among consumers with this big of a spend, as you said, the problem might be the product.07-23-16 11:25 PMLike 0 - Thank you for a substantive response.
I am not saying that you don't have to restructure and take many of the steps that Chen took. Many of his methods of downsizing are not controversial. Sale-leasebacks on the real property. Firing a lot of the staff. Etc., etc.
At some point, the cuts can take away options or damage future prospects of the company. I think he cut too far.
The money Chen spent on acquisitions was considerable. I have estimated over $1B based on reports, but I don't know if anyone knows for certain. If Chen "had" to release any BB10 devices -- as Conite, I think, has said in another thread -- he should have given these devices -- especially Z30, Passport and Classic -- a chance to succeed by investing $100M or so in marketing. They had no chance to succeed. The public did not know about them. Zero chance. Fact. Zero chance. This is a fact. People don't know, people can't buy. Fact.
Chen made his cuts. The hemorrhaging cash was overhead � not marketing efforts. After Chen made his cuts, he had the best and most stable mobile OS in the world for business. And he still had decent runtime functionality.
They lost $500M a quarter for multiple years? Maybe, but I don't remember that. Once Prem Watsa's people came in with their financing, Blackberry had the capital it needed to properly market its phones. It did not need $1B to do this.
Also, if Ford saw a drop of 90-percent it would know that something was very wrong with its product. This is because it has competent marketing executives that make sure that the public knows what Ford sells. Ford has a distribution network. Consumers know that Ford exists and that its products exist.
Blackberry's biggest problem after BB10 matured and the Z30 and Passport were on the market was not that it's product had brake failures or engines that blew up. It's problem was that people thought it went out of business and had no idea what its new operating system could do. They had no way of testing the phones if they heard through the grapevine that they existed. After taking over, Chen spent no marketing efforts on reversing the reports that Blackberry was going out of business or that it would stop making phones. To this day, this silence hurts Blackberry.
There seem to be enough people with money to fund the premium handset market. I think Apple will be doing fine for decades to come. It will continue to sell premium smartphones no matter what trinkets come out of China or where ever. This is because -- like Blackberry before -- Apple combines a clean operating system with it's own hardware which makes for a better, more reliable user experience.
When Apple was getting crushed in the PC market in the 1990s, it could have given up PCs. It didn't give up and was rewarded for it. Sometimes giving up and retreating is the best strategy. Sometimes it isn't.
No amount of marketing is going to change that. It's not how marketing works.
Marketing doesn't make people buy something that absolutely doesn't meet their needs. If that were the case then everyone around here would have iPhones.
As for the Mac, they pretty much gave up the market in the mid-90s and started licensing MacOS to third parties instead of making hardware. And it was disastrous for them. But not as disastrous as their in-house hardware sales at the time.
But even scraping by they were still the No. 2 desktop OS. Of course, that market only has two players - so it's nothing like BlackBerry's situation. Apple just needed to stay relevant and profitable enough to keep desktops from becoming a 1-horse race - basically growing from 5% of desktop/laptop sales back to 8%.07-24-16 01:52 AMLike 2
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