- As a long time Blackberry user, I feel Chen is not killing Blackberry at all. That was done years ago when the founding fathers failed to see the market change and fell into complacency. Being here from the USA, I have seen the brand all but disappear from the landscape and this has nothing to do with Mr Chen.
I personally feel if it wasn't for Mr Chen taking over and rebuilding the company, they would have went the way of the dodo bird. I would rather have the company still be around developing software then the alternative. Just my two cents.Asvertus likes this.07-21-16 06:02 AMLike 1 - As a long time Blackberry user, I feel Chen is not killing Blackberry at all. That was done years ago when the founding fathers failed to see the market change and fell into complacency. Being here from the USA, I have seen the brand all but disappear from the landscape and this has nothing to do with Mr Chen.
I personally feel if it wasn't for Mr Chen taking over and rebuilding the company, they would have went the way of the dodo bird. I would rather have the company still be around developing software then the alternative. Just my two cents.07-21-16 06:15 AMLike 0 -
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- Thorsten Heins would still be better CEO, hell even Steve Ballmer would be better CEO for BB now. The CEO should be there to deliver and inspire. Thorsten made some mistakes, but I don't think Chen or anyone else could handle the transition to new OS and platform any better. That's not how you build customer oriented company and earn the bucks that come with it. BB10 problem is the damn marketing, which Android is swimming in. Android is not better platform. If BB10 became successful it would eventually go open source and be similar to what is Android right now, without having to use 3GB of ram and more each year to hold the unoptimized system that is Android.07-21-16 07:46 AMLike 0
- Thorsten Heins would still be better CEO, hell even Steve Ballmer would be better CEO for BB now. The CEO should be there to deliver and inspire. Thorsten made some mistakes, but I don't think Chen or anyone else could handle the transition to new OS and platform any better. That's not how you build customer oriented company and earn the bucks that come with it. BB10 problem is the damn marketing, which Android is swimming in. Android is not better platform. If BB10 became successful it would eventually go open source and be similar to what is Android right now, without having to use 3GB of ram and more each year to hold the unoptimized system that is Android.
Thor was not a good CEO, he was Mike and Jim's boy at BlackBerry and carried on their plans... which lost the company BILLIONS. Not really sure what happened at Powermat.... but two failed CEO positions are enough to see he needs a different line of work.
BB10 go open source... sorry but has BBOS ever been open sourced? Google did the open sourced thing to get developers and users interested in the Platform. They knew they were late and needed something to help them build their userbase. Today Android is much less open source than it once was. But BB10, being open sourced is not something a company that is focused on security is going to do. First thing BlackBerry did with QNX is to try and shut down their open source programs....07-21-16 08:04 AMLike 0 -
- As a long time Blackberry user, I feel Chen is not killing Blackberry at all. That was done years ago when the founding fathers failed to see the market change and fell into complacency. Being here from the USA, I have seen the brand all but disappear from the landscape and this has nothing to do with Mr Chen.
I personally feel if it wasn't for Mr Chen taking over and rebuilding the company, they would have went the way of the dodo bird. I would rather have the company still be around developing software then the alternative. Just my two cents.
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I'm not saying I have all the answers, but I know it involves some type of reasonable balance.
I didn't have absolute privacy from authorities before the electronic age, so I wouldn't expect absolute privacy now.light_barer likes this.07-21-16 09:19 AMLike 1 -
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Again, I come back to reasonable expectation of privacy from authorities. When I use the phone, I could be tapped. If I shift to electronic, is it reasonable that I now can communicate with complete impunity?Last edited by conite; 07-21-16 at 09:39 AM.
07-21-16 09:24 AMLike 0 -
And what if BB is acquired by Oracle (just to name a random big company not in Canada)? Burn the keys?
If my children are sending me pictures or their location, I want actual end to end semantic security, without anyone in between.
It just seems absurd that Chen's stated definition of privacy includes a locked bootloader so I can't install CM on a Priv ever, but it doesn't include end to end encryption. That is a very warped definition of privacy, IMO.
(ignoring BBM protected for a moment, since Chen seems to be ignoring it also when he repeats this particular sound bite)07-21-16 09:37 AMLike 0 - So now a private technology company is deciding which courts are legitimate and which aren't? Yuck.
And what if BB is acquired by Oracle (just to name a random big company not in Canada)? Burn the keys?
If my children are sending me pictures or their location, I want actual end to end semantic security, without anyone in between.
It just seems absurd that Chen's stated definition of privacy includes a locked bootloader so I can't install CM on a Priv ever, but it doesn't include end to end encryption. That is a very warped definition of privacy, IMO.
(ignoring BBM protected for a moment, since Chen seems to be ignoring it also when he repeats this particular sound bite)
I'm not advocating any particular course of action. I simply believe that the correct answer does not involve an absolute.07-21-16 09:42 AMLike 0 - Agreed. But his target market is BYOD and enterprise devices that work within a EMM solution. So, it's a bit of a red herring anyway.app_Developer likes this.07-21-16 09:48 AMLike 1
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Just think Chen shouldn't jump on a soapbox and try to paint Apple as the bad guy with how they are implementing encryption. If ISIS gets themselves a BES12 Server or pays for BBM Protected... is BlackBerry somehow going to unlock encrypted messages for goverments (they say they don't have a way to do it)? Is just the fact that BlackBerry's customers have to pay more and have some technical know how give them the right for government free encrypted communication?
Plus those that taught a BlackBerry protected them from their goverment, or even criminals.... they were a big part of BlackBerry's userbase. Thanks to Chen and BlackBerry's efforts to "help", most are now using more secure platforms.....
Just think it's better to not say anything!app_Developer likes this.07-21-16 09:50 AMLike 1 - That's exactly what I would tell Chen. Dude, redirect that Apple talking point to /dev/null. Nothing to be gained by it, and it's just not on point right now.
Where I work I never go on stage outside of our walls, and sometimes not even inside, without at least a quick review with comms. I don't understand how the CEO of BB doesn't do that.Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.07-21-16 09:58 AMLike 1 -
Chen must believe he gets points for this. I wonder what he (thinks he) knows that we don't?07-21-16 10:03 AMLike 0 -
And since then nobody apparently has told him to stop and so he just keeps repeating it.
I've seen bosses of mine make mistakes like that. That's not a huge deal, but I've also seen the leadership team around them react, close in, stop and repair. That part seems to be missing here?07-21-16 10:12 AMLike 0 -
As to your second unrelated topic, I'm not sure we know enough granular information anymore.07-21-16 10:28 AMLike 0 - I think the FBI v Apple case hit the news. Chen decided to grab the opportunity to get in the news cycle. (Right general idea, but terrible aim)
And since then nobody apparently has told him to stop and so he just keeps repeating it.
I've seen bosses of mine make mistakes like that. That's not a huge deal, but I've also seen the leadership team around them react, close in, stop and repair. That part seems to be missing here?
Technical facts are irrelevant. It's all about getting the soundbite out there.07-21-16 10:44 AMLike 0 -
I guess keeping the BlackBerry name in the conversation is a good thing, but think it waters down the idea that BlackBerry is all about security.MikeX74 likes this.07-21-16 11:03 AMLike 1 - What's the soundbite he is getting out there? That Apple is going to far with their security? Or that BlackBerry will help your goverment to hack your phone?
I guess keeping the BlackBerry name in the conversation is a good thing, but think it waters down the idea that BlackBerry is all about security.
Of course, when you unwind the technical details we see where this falls apart.
But that unwinding isn't going to happen as part of a quick soundbite story.07-21-16 11:06 AMLike 0 -
However, I don't think BlackBerry in a position to be thinking that way yet - if they did they'd be abandoning millions of customers and probably half of their revenue.
This man Chen talks down the devices made by his own company and prefers to discuss Apple, what is his problem?07-21-16 11:25 AMLike 0 - However, I don't think BlackBerry in a position to be thinking that way yet - if they did they'd be abandoning millions of customers and probably half of their revenue.
This man Chen talks down the devices made by his own company and prefers to discuss Apple, what is his problem?07-21-16 11:32 AMLike 0
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